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It's Official: The Reagan Revolution Is Over
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 4/16/07 | David From

Posted on 04/16/2007 9:23:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone

 
Question: How can a candidate for president raise US$23-million in three months--only slightly less than John McCain and Rudy Giuliani combined--and still register barely above zero in polls of members of his own party?

That is the sad story of Mitt Romney, the movie-star handsome former governor of Massachusetts. Romney registers a dismal fourth in Republican opinion polls. Yesterday's LAT/Bloomberg poll put him at 8% approval among Republicans.

A year ago, Romney looked like an emerging Republic star. He had rescued Massachusetts from a large budget deficit without raising taxes. And he had engineered a state-wide health insurance plan that delivered universal health insurance coverage to all of Massachusetts' residents--again without raising taxes. A hugely successful businessman, he had rescued the 2002 Olympic games from a corruption scandal.

In small-group sessions in 2005 and 2006, Romney dazzled elite audiences with his command of fact and easy, humorous speaking style.

He would begin by talking about the importance of data--of checking your assumptions--and of keeping the discussion open to dissenters. He was talking about state governance of course. But everybody heard the implied criticism of President Bush's management style. And after he left, his audiences would nod their heads over their coffee cups and say, "If only somebody like that had been running this war ? "

But sometime in the summer or fall of 2006, Romney reached a strategic decision. He would not run as a pragmatic problem solver. He would run as the conservative in the race: the tax-cutting, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-traditional-marriage heir to George W. Bush.

He even dropped hints that if nominated, he would choose Florida governor Jeb Bush as his running mate.

And this past week, he chose the George H. W. Bush presidential library as the site of his first major foreign policy address.

At the same time, he has given short shrift to his breakthrough health-care achievement. In fact, he rarely refers to it in his speeches, apparently fearing that one ingredient of his plan--a requirement that every non-poor state resident buy a health insurance policy or face a tax penalty--will offend the antigovernment sensibilities of Republican primary voters. None of this is working.

In part, Romney's difficulty in gaining early traction can be traced to his own vulnerabilities: He has become more conservative since his first political race, and (as I noted in last week's column) YouTube is now crowded with clips of him saying one thing in 1994 and very different things in 2004, 2005 and 2006.

But it seems to me that something bigger is going on.

Had you asked a shrewd Republican observer in, say, 2004 to guess who the party's next nominee would be, he or she would probably have named George Allen, the senator from Virginia--a popular former governor, son of a legendary football coach, famous for his cowboy boots and chewing tobacco. Allen was a solid, down-the-line conservative on everything from taxes to guns to abortion. He was hiring all the top consultants, raising money, making friends and seemingly cruising to an easy re-election win in 2006.

Instead, he lost. Lost in Virginia, where Bush had beat Kerry by nine points! If Allen could lose in Virginia, then no conservative was safe anywhere.

In some shrewd instinctive way, the Republican party is sensing that the United States has changed. And just as the Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Grant eventually ran out of Civil War generals to nominate to the presidency, so perhaps time has run out for the old Nixon-Reagan coalition that came together to vote against the social upheavals of the 1960s and the 1970s. The 1960s and 1970s were, after all, a very, very long time ago.

In some shrewd instinctive way, the Republican party is sensing that the United States has changed.

Romney seized on Allen's defeat as an opportunity to position himself as the authentic Reagan conservative in the race--in a year when the Republican party may for the first time in a generation be looking for something other than a Reagan conservative.

Rudy Giuliani, the Republican frontrunner, is not exactly a moderate, of course. But he's not a traditional conservative either. He appeals to Republicans, not by running against government but precisely because of his record in making government work. Above all, his success in fighting crime recommends him. Under Mayor Giuliani, the number of murders in New York declined from over 2,000 per year to under 700. With government again providing safety to the people, the city recovered its economic strength.

Mitt Romney had an equally compelling story of executive leadership to tell. He chose not to. He chose to run as Bush's heir in a year when even Republicans are looking for Bush's opposite. That choice is looking more and more misguided. It may soon look fatal.

David Frum is a resident fellow at AEI.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 04/16/2007 9:23:06 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

((((PING)))))


2 posted on 04/16/2007 9:23:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Romney is losing because he is a shameless flip flopper not because the public and suddenly fallen in love with big government and Wilsonianism overseas.


3 posted on 04/16/2007 9:25:50 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I’m sorry but this article is RIGHT ON THE MARK! Look at the 2006 election for clues to why this is on the mark! The U.S. is changing and unless we realize that - we will lose in 2008. This is not the 1990’s or 2000 anymore.


4 posted on 04/16/2007 9:28:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Romney’s problem is that he has not been a lifelong advocate of the principles he now espouses. Reagan Republicans are very good at sniffing out Reagan wannabe’s.


5 posted on 04/16/2007 9:28:28 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: areafiftyone

“engineered a state-wide health insurance plan that delivered universal health insurance coverage to all of Massachusetts’ residents...”

Maybe THAT’S his problem.


6 posted on 04/16/2007 9:29:49 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: areafiftyone

This has absolutely nothing to do with Reagan, Mitt belongs to a cult.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 9:30:37 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: areafiftyone

Vote Fred '08

8 posted on 04/16/2007 9:31:26 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: areafiftyone

Reaganism was a hiccup, dependent upon Reagan himself. It was a personal political movement, not a true philosophy.


9 posted on 04/16/2007 9:32:22 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (A Day Late and a Dollar Short)
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To: areafiftyone
The U.S. is changing and unless we realize that - we will lose in 2008

Or worse, winning with a liberal republican from NY

10 posted on 04/16/2007 9:32:44 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: areafiftyone

‘Just not a lot of positive news for the good guys this morning!!

It’s not even noon, and I need a drink.

I’ve already read in another article that we are headed for a Socialist, anti-globalization world.

Then we get this friendly column saying that Conservatism and the Reagan Revolution is in the tank.

Make that a double on the rocks.


11 posted on 04/16/2007 9:35:02 AM PDT by Rhetorical pi2
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To: saganite
Romney’s problem is that he has not been a lifelong advocate of the principles he now espouses.

Neither was Reagan.

I'm not a Romney person, but I find it absurd that some candidates are automatically dismissed because they didn't come out of the womb spouting conservative tenets. People evolve.

12 posted on 04/16/2007 9:43:30 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: areafiftyone
I’m sorry but this article is RIGHT ON THE MARK! Look at the 2006 election for clues to why this is on the mark! The U.S. is changing and unless we realize that - we will lose in 2008. This is not the 1990’s or 2000 anymore.

Of course. Anything to win, even if it means going as far left as the libs...
13 posted on 04/16/2007 9:45:23 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: Brilliant
“engineered a state-wide health insurance plan that delivered universal health insurance coverage to all of Massachusetts’ residents...”

Maybe THAT’S his problem.

Exactly. The article makes it seem that just because he did it without raising taxes, that he is somehow a Reagan revolution candidate. A Reagan revolution candidate would have cut taxes and privatized health care.

14 posted on 04/16/2007 9:50:23 AM PDT by Anti-MSM
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To: areafiftyone
Most interesting article.

I just sent off my tax returns, and I had to write a check for each of them. Consider how much larger a check we'll all have to write if HILLARY becomes president and the Dems control the White House!

15 posted on 04/16/2007 9:50:40 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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To: areafiftyone

iraq has killed the republican party, and it will continue to kill them for years to come. the US hasnt changed that much in 4 years.


16 posted on 04/16/2007 9:50:43 AM PDT by philsfan24
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To: areafiftyone
I’m sorry but this article is RIGHT ON THE MARK!

Only if you think the solution is for the GOP to run leftwards. That ain't gonna sell on a conservative website.

Look at the 2006 election for clues to why this is on the mark!

I don't see the 2006 election as vindication of the "leftward, ho!" agenda pushed by big-government Republicans.

2006 was a repudiation of the leftward drift of the GOP. You solution to 2006 is the same as liberal's solution to public schools - do more of what failed in the hopes that it eventually works.

Both are absurd.

17 posted on 04/16/2007 9:51:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Mordacious

Reagan espoused his principles for decades before he bacame president. Romney’s conversion appears to be fairly recent and rather convenient wouldn’t you say?


18 posted on 04/16/2007 9:55:28 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: areafiftyone

After being betrayed by Bush I and Bush II, we’re just a little distrusting of people who keep changing their views. I personally have no problem with Mitt but to be honest, I just didn’t trust him.


19 posted on 04/16/2007 9:58:31 AM PDT by MrRights
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To: philsfan24

I very much agree with you. The U.S. has not undergone this fundamental change at all. It’s all about Iraq. Some freepers tried to warn about Iraq to no avail. They didn’t listen then and they will never listen. Some people can’t admit they are wrong. Bush is one of those and he is killing the Republicans.


20 posted on 04/16/2007 10:00:27 AM PDT by bluebunny
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To: Cyclopean Squid
It was a personal political movement, not a true philosophy.

It also never would have worked had the country not been in such disastrous shape - the hostages in Iran, the Soviets on the march, stagflation at home. Reaganism was a doctrine that people were willing to listen to only when times got desperate. We can be thankful they are not now, but that means that significant numbers of people shift back to default mode, to the politics of getting stuff from the government.

21 posted on 04/16/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by untenured
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To: bluebunny

Iraq is the reason for 2006. Despite what many want to believe.


22 posted on 04/16/2007 10:09:37 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: areafiftyone
He chose to run as Bush's heir in a year...

This is bull.

Romney is consistently emphasizing his managerial and business acumen, as he should.

Romney is going for the social conservative vote, as any candidate needs to in order to win the nomination, but he's not promising to be Bush III.

23 posted on 04/16/2007 10:12:36 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: areafiftyone

It was over when the GOP lead congress wiped their bums with the “Contract with America”.


24 posted on 04/16/2007 10:32:46 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Mordacious
I'm not a Romney person, but I find it absurd that some candidates are automatically dismissed because they didn't come out of the womb spouting conservative tenets. People evolve.

The problem is that Romney "evolved" only when it was in his own self-interest to do so. Suspicious, no?

25 posted on 04/16/2007 11:00:35 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: areafiftyone

Correct. Mitt is a great guy but somehow does not click with the BASE and the BASE, like me, wants a winner. We need a leader with policies which are Reaganesque but we know that the Reagan years are over. Tax cuts, strong national defense, good choice for SCOTUS that is the ticket we want. Now many want a purist. As a pastor, I know no one is pure not even conservative Christians like myself. I want a winner. I do not think the USA can stand a Quisling socialist pacifist as Dems are to lead this nation against Islamofascism. If Rudy G, Fred T, or even Mitt are perceived by the voters in our primaries as a leader who can beat the Dems, he will get my vote. So far, Rudy G has that vote though he is not’pure’.


26 posted on 04/16/2007 11:05:40 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: areafiftyone
If both parties are agreed that we need abortion on demand, need to ban guns, need socialized medicine and a very large federal government controlling all aspects of our lives (and supporting over 50% of the population) then what difference does it make who runs it?

It's not that big a deal to me whether Rudy or Hillary rams more socialism down my throat. If the conservative cause has lost it is time to start over and rebuild. Like Goldwater and Reagan did. Nixon won the Presidency. Was that good for Conservatives? The Republican party is a vehicle to move some agendas forward. If they are unable or unwilling to do so then I don't see the particular importance of them "winning".

Do you?

27 posted on 04/16/2007 11:10:10 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Vaquero

Fred’s the only Republican I would vote for in 2008.


28 posted on 04/16/2007 11:14:12 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: areafiftyone
The U.S. is changing and unless we realize that - we will lose in 2008.

If you are correct, then the US is lost. We cannot recover from another era of government activism and surrender. The late sixties and early seventies was, imho, America's last shot.

29 posted on 04/16/2007 11:15:29 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: areafiftyone
NO DEPORTATION = PERMANENT DEMONCRAT MAJORITY
30 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:14 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Austin Willard Wright
“....Romney is losing because he is a shameless flip flopper.....”

I totally agree. I’d rather have a candidate who’s honest about his “issues” than one who flip flops or tries to be something he thinks is what people want him to be, just to get elected.

31 posted on 04/16/2007 11:34:57 AM PDT by KATIE-O ( Rudy Giuliani '08 - Restoring Optimism For The Republican Party.)
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To: af_vet_rr
I truly hope that Fred is going to get into the race. I believe that he is the only politician that is currently carrying the Reagan mantle. I feel that there is evidence in the country that the MSM and the Rat party are successfully triangulating and fracturing the Republican party by splitting the the Christian conservatives (the deciding demographic in the 2004 election) into two groups, social conservatives and the “social justice” Christians. The latter group are made of the “greenies” and the pro-choice RINO’s who don’t seem to mind increased government spending and higher taxes.

There are many things that are taking place now that should concern each and every one of us. First, due to the hysteria surrounding the Liberal Don Imus, there will be a steady drumbeat in the MSM for the Fairness Doctrine to be reinstated. Second, the feckless leadership in the Republican party—refusing to stand up against the lies of the Left and MSM. I love Hunter and Tancredo, but they cannot be elected president.....who else is there? It speaks volumes that we NEED an ex-senator/actor to unite and LEAD our party.

32 posted on 04/16/2007 11:44:03 AM PDT by oiler (Reagan Republicans Unite!!!!! Draft Fred Thompson in 08')
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To: areafiftyone

The 2006 election showed the disgust for Bush

Big spending
Amnesty
Didn’t sell the war.

Not liberalism.


33 posted on 04/16/2007 4:52:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: dirtboy; areafiftyone

“2006 was a repudiation of the leftward drift of the GOP”

Exactly. Rudy will wipe out the party for only God knows how long.


34 posted on 04/16/2007 4:54:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: areafiftyone

The Republican Party has lost this conservative’s vote.

The character of this party all the way down has become no better than the democrat party.

I do not, and will not feel at all bad for not voting for Rudy, I have already and will continue to speak to everyone I know, and to pass it on, how pathetic and degenerate this party has become.

But of course, they don’t need conservative vote. If that doesn’t say it all.

Sit 2008 out, you bettcha, live with it, unless the party comes to it’s senses.


35 posted on 04/16/2007 5:02:26 PM PDT by indylindy (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: areafiftyone
I’m sorry but this article is RIGHT ON THE MARK! Look at the 2006 election for clues to why this is on the mark! The U.S. is changing and unless we realize that - we will lose in 2008. This is not the 1990’s or 2000 anymore.

The 2006 election was an off year elction with a President in his second term. When you consider all the things that could be held against the GOP, i.e. Iraq, Katrina, out of control spending, corruption, the Foley scandal, banning online gambling, etc., the GOP losses were relatively modest.

Smackdown! By Independents & Moderates

"Why? Because exit polls show there's a large chunk of the electorate that is moderate, independent-minded and turned off by partisanship. In exit polls, 47 percent of voters described their views as moderate, 21 percent liberal and 32 percent conservative. And 61 percent of the moderates voted Democratic this year.

"On party identification, 26 percent said they're Independent, which is in line with recent elections. But this year, Independents went Democratic by a 57-39 margin. That's what gave the day to Democrats. In the 2002 midterm, by contrast, Independents went Republican in a 48-45 split."

The independents & moderates roughly split 3 dems to 2 pubbies.

Small 'l' libertarians and Libertarian Party members are, depending who you read, somewhere about 10 - 13 percent of the electorate. I remember reading about the gamblers organizing to defeat the GOP because of the online gamblng amendment. The number of votes for the Libertarian candidates in Montana and Virginia for the U.S. Senate was greater than the margin of victory of the dems over the GOP in those states.

They exploited ignorance in the debate about stem cells to get that Senate seat in Missouri.

Reading 2006 as a watershed election is really a stretch.

36 posted on 04/16/2007 5:18:28 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: oiler
Second, the feckless leadership in the Republican party—refusing to stand up against the lies of the Left and MSM.

What's even worse is they are acting like the Left. I don't vote for Republicans so they can get in the White House and get into Congress and act like Democrats. I vote for them because I believe they would act like Republicans. To say I've been sorely disappointed with Bush and what was the Republican-led Congress would be the understatement of the year.
37 posted on 04/16/2007 7:03:49 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: areafiftyone

Folks, be suspicious of anything written by David From.


38 posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:03 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: areafiftyone; AmericanMade1776; bcbuster; Bluestateredman; cardinal4; carton253; cgk; ...
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Kyle Hampton, a contributor at MyManMitt.com, offers the following rebuttal and commentary for this article by David Frum:

Is the Reagan Revolution over?

The American Enterprise Institute has an article written by David Frum. He says that the Reagan Revolution is over. Why? He explains:

In some shrewd instinctive way, the Republican party is sensing that the United States has changed. And just as the Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Grant eventually ran out of Civil War generals to nominate to the presidency, so perhaps time has run out for the old Nixon-Reagan coalition that came together to vote against the social upheavals of the 1960s and the 1970s.

So what does this have to do with Mitt Romney? Frum explains after extolling the virtues of Rudy Giuliani:

Mitt Romney had an equally compelling story of executive leadership to tell. He chose not to. He chose to run as Bush's heir in a year when even Republicans are looking for Bush's opposite. That choice is looking more and more misguided. It may soon look fatal.

Frum’s complaint is essentially that, in spite of Romney’s executive leadership abilities, Romney is a social conservative. He laments that Romney “has given short shrift to his breakthrough health-care achievement,” that he “chose the George H. W. Bush presidential library as the site of his first major foreign policy address,” and that Romney “dropped hints that if nominated, he would choose Florida governor Jeb Bush as his running mate” (although he mentioned at least 4 other names in that same conversation). For these unforgivables Frum declares the end of the Reagan movement.

Frum’s complaint seems overly dramatic. Does Romney’s social conservatism REALLY mean the end of the Reagan revolution? It hardly seems to be the case, since EVERY GOP candidate (including his beloved Rudy) has invoked Reagan and is attempting to follow in the footsteps of the Great Communicator. Rather it seems that Compassionate Conservatism has experienced an untimely demise. There is little doubt that conservatives feel burned by the Bush administration, but it is not because of Bush’s social conservatism. Indeed, one of the high points of his administration has been Bush’s nomination of Justices Roberts and Alito. The frustration with Bush is because he has failed to follow Reagan’s lead to shrink government and competently fight our enemies abroad. Had Bush been able to accomplish these goals, he would be universally praised. However, Bush has not competently pursued these goals, allowing government to bloat and our enemies to fester.

Thus, Romney’s social conservatism hardly connotes the end of the Reagan Revolution. Moreover it indicates the return to conservative principles across the board. Romney would be a return to Reagan’s principles where Bush deviated. Rudy’s candidacy would patently discard an important part of Reagan’s legacy. Romney, however, accepts all of Reagan’s principles: smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense, and, yes, social conservatism.


39 posted on 04/17/2007 11:32:50 AM PDT by Unmarked Package (<<<< Click to learn more about the conservative record of Governor Mitt Romney)
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Time for a history lesson. The media and the Democrats want you to believe that somehow the 2006 election was different, something special. No, the losses the GOP suffered WERE to be expected. Let us review, shall we?

President / Mid-term / Senate / House

Grant (R) 1870 -4 -31
Grant (R) 1874 -8 -96
Hayes (R) 1878 -6 -9
Arthur (R) 1882 +3 -33
Cleveland (D) 1886 +3 -12
Harrison (R) 1890 0 -85
Cleveland (D) 1894 -5 -116
McKinley (R) 1898 +7 -21
TR (R) 1902 +2 +9
TR (R) 1906 +3 -28
Taft (R) 1910 -10 -57
Wilson (D) 1914 +5 -59
Wilson (D) 1918 -6 -19
Harding (R) 1922 -8 -75
Coolidge (R) 1926 -6 -10
Hoover (R) 1930 -8 -49
FDR (D) 1934 +10 +9
FDR (D) 1938 -6 -71
FDR (D) 1942 -9 -45
Truman (D) 1946 -12 -55
Truman (D) 1950 -6 -59
Ike (R) 1954 -1 -18
Ike (R) 1958 -13 -48
JFK (D) 1962 +3 -4
LBJ (D) 1966 -4 -47
Nixon (R) 1970 +2 -12
Nixon (R) 1974 -5 -48
Carter (D) 1978 -3 -15
Reagan (R) 1982 +1 -26
Reagan (R) 1986 -8 -5
Bush ‘41 (R) 1990 -1 -8
Clinton (D) 1994 -9 -54
Clinton (D) 1998 0 +4
Bush ‘43 (R) 2002 +2 +6
Bush ‘43 (R) 2006 -6 -28

(1) With only four exceptions, EVERY single President since Lincoln has lost seats in the House in the midterm elections. The only ones to buck the trend were the Roosevelts (TR because he was the mostly popular President EVER his first term, FDR because of the Depression), Clinton (because of Republican miscues during the Impeachment) and Bush ‘43 (because of 9/11). GW was bound to lose this one.

(2) Midterm years that are the dreaded “six year itch” are 1874, 1894, 1906, 1918, 1938, 1950, 1958, 1966, 1974, 1986, 1998 and 2006 . I have marked 1966 as one in that LBJ was finishing out what would have been JFK’s second term. GW is his sixth year. Losses in the midterm were almost certain.

(3) Wilson (1918), FDR (1942), Truman (1950) and LBJ (1966) all lost seats both in the House and Senate when the country was at war. McKinley (1898) gained Senate seats, but lost seats in the House. Guess the country had mixed feelings about thumping Spain. Bush ‘41 can also be considered in this group as the country was gearing up for Gulf War I. Another category that the 2006 election fits into.

(4) In terms of serious setbacks in the midterms this one doesn’t even come close. 1894 ranks as the all-time thumping with an astounding 116 House seats and 5 Senate seats changing hands. 1994, 1974, 1966, 1958 (I thought everyone liked Ike), 1938 (so much for the New Deal being popular), 1946, 1930 or 1874 were much, much worse.

(5) Voters don’t like scandals and take it out on the party in power. Foley, et al doomed the Republicans at the start.

(6) Voters don’t like excess spending. The thumping the Republicans received in 1890 was a voter rebellion against the “Billion Dollar Congress”. The same can be said about FDR’s spanking in 1938 (New Deal overreach) and Clinton’s in 1994 (attempted takeover of the health care system). With bridges to nowhere is it any wonder the GOP lost seats?

(7)The historical average is a loss of 3 Senate seats and 34 House seats for the President’s party in the midterms. For the “six year curse” the averge is 6 Senate seats and 39 House seats. The 2006 losses fit the historical norms.

8) The margin of victory in three of the six lost Senate seats were razor thin. A swing of a couple thousand votes in one of those races and Republicans would have retained control in the Senate.

Given the political history of our nation and add in the fact that most of the races were decided by very thin margins all the hand wringing over the elections is unjustified. This little history lesson should remind you that in our Republic the political fortunes of the parties ebb and flow.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 11:59:46 AM PDT by anglian
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To: areafiftyone
More Frum Folly!

This guy should be banned from broadcasting and all media, but what the hell. let's post his tripe on FR and clap to it like he's the new Ronald Reagan.

41 posted on 04/17/2007 12:14:36 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Unmarked Package

VIVA LA REAGAN REVOLUCION!

42 posted on 04/17/2007 12:54:01 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“2006 was a repudiation of the leftward drift of the GOP” Exactly. Rudy will wipe out the party for only God knows how long

If that were to be true, then what you are saying is that Conservatives of the so called "true" type, did not vote or voted for democrats to punish the party?

To my knowledge, the only historical stay at home conservative voters are not really part of the "base", but are mostly religious swing voters who when energized sufficiently, will go to the polls.

What happened, is that we lost all the swing voters for a variety of reasons, stemming from the war to Terry Shiavo when non religious swingers decided the Pubbies were far to dangerous to the health and welfare of the Republic, because of a kneejerk disregard of States rights. There were a half dozen other reasons, like stem cells, Internet gambling idiocy and bad reputations caused by everything from ineptitude to felony activities.

This can all be summed up with the comment that we did a bad job in the majority and were appropriately punished. We let the Dem's convince the planet that we oversold the war, and we had a bunch of bad luck as well. Can't blame ourselves too much for that.

Now it seems we (the base) could not warm up to each other unless we are cremated together, and so it will likely be, in 2008.

Perhaps that is just as it should be, as a instructive teaching aid.

43 posted on 04/17/2007 1:44:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Cold Heat

“If that were to be true, then what you are saying is that Conservatives of the so called “true” type, did not vote or voted for democrats to punish the party?”

Answer is “stayed at home”

You forgot pro amnesty which I believe hurt us more than the war.


44 posted on 04/17/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Actually, we lost a lot of what little we had of the Hispanic voters, so I do stand corrected...LOL

You don't seem to understand, that these issues are not traditional conservative issues. They are dangerous and often cut both ways, and we usually don't run on divisive social crap in National elections. For the first time in recent memory, these issue even lost locally. In Arizona....East coast and even Missouri. It's been over hyped, over done, and over the top! This stuff loses voters in a national election, not the other way around.

But hell no! You guys want more of it, more often and louder!

Go ahead, make Hillary's day!

45 posted on 04/17/2007 2:00:23 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: bluebunny
The U.S. has not undergone this fundamental change at all. It’s all about Iraq. Some freepers tried to warn about Iraq to no avail. They didn’t listen then and they will never listen. Some people can’t admit they are wrong. Bush is one of those and he is killing the Republicans.

The problem isn't Iraq. Iraq is (and continues to be) one of the greatest victories for the United States and Freedom in history.

The problem is that the MSM is distributing Defeatism-flavored Koolaid and you seem to have drunk your fill.

Yes, there are things we should have done better to fix Iraq. We should have been a lot tougher on terrorists for one, and shouldn't have stopped our tanks at the Syrian and Iranian borders for another. But thats on its way.

As for me, I support VICTORY in Iraq and nothing less.
46 posted on 04/17/2007 3:51:41 PM PDT by LightBeam (Support the Surge. Support Victory.)
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To: areafiftyone

“And he had engineered a state-wide health insurance plan that delivered universal health insurance coverage to all of Massachusetts’ residents—again without raising taxes.”

It’s really depressing to hear educated conservatives spout lines like this. This plan is going to be a disaster, despite how the news hypes it. The average health care policy is still 50% higher than the original target amount (and this already with substantial restrictions as to what it covers).

Here’s a quote from a newspaper one month ago about “RomneyCare”:

“The first signs of trouble appeared last August. In a filing to support general obligation bonds, officials projected that the new plan would increase state government health-care spending by $276.4 million in 2007. That’s $151 million more than what the public had been told the plan would cost. Meanwhile, the state’s new bureaucracy, busily signing up people for free care, has run into trouble finding affordable plans for those who have to pay. The premiums for subsidized plans would consume up to 6% of a person’s income — prompting calls from activists and echoes from politicians that they should be exempted from the individual mandate. So much for universal coverage.”

I’m looking over the field of top-three Republican Candidates and my heart is crying, “A Conservative! A Conservative! My kingdom for a Conservative!”


47 posted on 04/17/2007 5:19:29 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: areafiftyone
In some shrewd instinctive way, the Republican party is sensing that the United States has changed.

Two points:

1. One election does not prove and is not even evidence in favor of the notion that the country has changed. The Republicans lost seats in 2006 because Republican voters were complacent and Democrat voters were energetic. Just in my area, some Republican precincts lost thirty percent of their turnout between 2004 and 2006. The Democrats won some precincts that Republicans had won in 2004, but the Democrats didn't win more votes. They simply lost fewer votes. The people who delivered those precincts to the GOP didn't change their minds about the issues. They simply refused to make an effort to vote this time. There's been no change in what Americans believe. The last election was simply a change in who made an effort to vote.

2. While I don't believe that the country has changed, I have no doubt that some people want the country to change. What good citizens have to do is decide whether the change is for the better or for the worse. If the change is not for the better, good citizens will fight the change. The kind of policies represented by the likes of Rudy Giuliani are changes for the worse, and good citizens will reject his candidacy for that reason. We've often criticized some politicians by saying that they are wind socks instead of compasses. We need to support candidates who represent a compass. While the liberals would like to blow us to a more liberal course, good conservatives will stand for those who steer us back towards the correct path.

Bill

48 posted on 04/17/2007 6:00:13 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Cold Heat

ONE MORE TIME..........The only candidate currently running that CANNOT beat Hillary is RUDY!

Romney would slaughter her, as an example.


49 posted on 04/17/2007 7:09:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: areafiftyone

It’s not over till the bald transvestite sings.


50 posted on 04/17/2007 7:10:19 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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