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VA Tech official praised defeat of student self-defense proposal in 2006
One News Now ^ | 04.16.07 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 04/16/2007 1:20:58 PM PDT by Coleus

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1 posted on 04/16/2007 1:21:01 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

i am sure it has already been said, but if only ONE of those college kids had a permit to carry and had a gun, there would not have been that many fatalities....

Meadow Muffin


2 posted on 04/16/2007 1:22:31 PM PDT by rwgal
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Exercising the Right, to KEEP and BEAR Arms
armed citizen

3 posted on 04/16/2007 1:24:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Happy Easter, Jesus Christ is Risen, Hallelujah!)
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To: rwgal
Earlier thread with source:

Gun bill gets shot down by panel (VA Tech - On Drudge)
4 posted on 04/16/2007 1:24:15 PM PDT by BJClinton (Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons.)
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To: Coleus

Lawsuits are gonna be flying...........


5 posted on 04/16/2007 1:25:08 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: rwgal

I was thinking the same thing.....


6 posted on 04/16/2007 1:25:11 PM PDT by Kimmers (Coram Deo)
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To: Coleus

This article is so right. The liberals, of course, will continue not to “get it”. Some of them are dewy-eyed dreamers who believe you can keep guns out of criminals’ hands if you just pass enough laws. Others do understand the point, but have no desire for Americans to be able to defend ourselves. If we’re not helpless and defenseless, we’ll be less likely to turn to the govt for help. And they can tyrannize us much more easily.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 1:27:30 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: Kimmers

Where has the common sense gone in this country? We trust a kid with a car, a credit card a rubber (pardon me), a drink, BUT we don’t trust them to be able to defend themselves...

Meadow Muffin


8 posted on 04/16/2007 1:27:55 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: Coleus
Anti-gun libs are doing nothing but enrolling naive kids into a suicide pact.
9 posted on 04/16/2007 1:28:31 PM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: rwgal

Thirty-one people died in Blacksburg, VA today. The cause of death was liberalism.


10 posted on 04/16/2007 1:29:31 PM PDT by freespirited (Resentment, redistribution, and re-education. The three Rs of liberalism.)
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To: Coleus

I wonder if there is any civil recourse ..for compensation consequent to deprivation of the right to self defense here....


11 posted on 04/16/2007 1:29:32 PM PDT by mo
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To: Coleus

When we learn from the media that this was a Islamic Fascist Terrorist? Or will we ever be told the truth?


12 posted on 04/16/2007 1:30:22 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: Red Badger
Lawsuits are gonna be flying...........

I hope you're right, and I hope they're aimed at every school administrator and Virginia lawmaker who ensured that the students, faculty, and administration would be helpless and defenseless. If the murderer had thought there even might be a chance that one of his victims was armed, it could have saved lives.

13 posted on 04/16/2007 1:31:31 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: Coleus

I would feel very uncomfortable sending my son to a campus that he felt the necessity to carry a concealed weapon for protection. It’s crazy. Although I believe people have the right to bear arms and protect themselves, it seems very sad that one has to “pack” on a campus!


14 posted on 04/16/2007 1:31:49 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: freespirited
Thirty-one people died in Blacksburg, VA today. The cause of death was liberalism.

The cause of death was some wacko with a couple of hand guns. Don't make it into something it isn't.

15 posted on 04/16/2007 1:32:39 PM PDT by Drennan Whyte
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To: YOUGOTIT
Unfortunately I am sure that some clown named Muhammad is watching this as he loads his magazines and re wraps his turban.

Meadow Muffin

16 posted on 04/16/2007 1:32:54 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: Coleus
"The Roanoke Times quoted VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker as celebrating the defeat of the bill. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions," Hincker said on Jan. 31, 2006, "because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

...and so yet another liberal gets people killed, but they "felt safe" up until that point.

17 posted on 04/16/2007 1:34:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Coleus

I’ve completely given up on government entirely for my family or my country’s security.


18 posted on 04/16/2007 1:34:53 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Bitsy

Because almost all campuses have large foreign student exchange programs I would feel comfortable letting my kid go unprotected. Call it racist or whatever but that’s how I feel.


19 posted on 04/16/2007 1:35:27 PM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: Bitsy

There are few places in the world where packing a weapon is not adviseable.

Texas got CCP after the after-church Luby’s shooting, for example.


20 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:44 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Bitsy

make that uncomfortable.


21 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:54 PM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: Coleus; Red Badger
Lawsuits are gonna be flying...........

Lawsuits are the least of their problems:

Title 18 United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code
PART I, CHAPTER 13, SECTION 242
Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;

and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


22 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:19 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Dunno if this applies to VT Admin or VA legislators, but it certainly will bolster any lawsuit..............


23 posted on 04/16/2007 1:40:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: Coleus

“Contact Larry Hincker at hincker@vt.edu or (540) 231-5396”
www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2006&itemno=434 - 20k -


24 posted on 04/16/2007 1:41:19 PM PDT by InkStone
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To: YOUGOTIT

Not to sound flippant...

...but, “Thank Gawd he wasn’t a Mexican”


25 posted on 04/16/2007 1:43:15 PM PDT by baclava
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To: freespirited
Thirty-one people died in Blacksburg, VA today. The cause of death was liberalism.

Wrong! Their cause of death was a freak who thought it was a good idea to start executing people. Gun control, or the lack thereof, had absolutely nothing to do with the situation.

Conservatives have no more business hijacking a tragedy of this sort than the gun-control advocates do trying to further crack down on guns. It's crass opportunism at its worst.

26 posted on 04/16/2007 1:43:58 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: American Quilter

If THAT happens....EVERY school district will be having the same suit.....I always felt like a “sitting duck” at the school where I volunteered.


27 posted on 04/16/2007 1:47:49 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: Coleus
Sorry, forgot to add this:

After the proposal died in the state's House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety, The Roanoke Times quoted VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker as celebrating the defeat of the bill. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions," Hincker said on Jan. 31, 2006, "because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Contact Larry Hincker at hincker@vt.edu or (540) 231-5396. ... www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2006&itemno=434 - 20k -

28 posted on 04/16/2007 1:49:09 PM PDT by InkStone
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"Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

I first read that four hours ago. Since then I have been clicking refresh over and over like in those S. King movies.

Hinkler really should be held to account for those words. Not just embarrassed as the embodiment of the irony, that's not enough.

Pounds of flesh must be taken. He should be urged to find swift redemption..


29 posted on 04/16/2007 1:49:10 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Coleus
A Virginia Tech official in 2006 praised the defeat of a proposal to allow students with state-issued concealed handgun permits to carry their handguns on college campuses in Virginia

Let's give him a chance to honorably fall on his sword (yeah right) first.

30 posted on 04/16/2007 1:52:33 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: jude24
Wrong! Their cause of death was a freak who thought it was a good idea to start executing people. Gun control, or the lack thereof, had absolutely nothing to do with the situation. Conservatives have no more business hijacking a tragedy of this sort than the gun-control advocates do trying to further crack down on guns. It's crass opportunism at its worst.

Sorry, asshat, but you are the one who is wrong. This is liberalism at it's finest and anyone who thinks otherwise is actually a liberal themselves whether they realize it or not. IF they had passed the CCW law and allowed students who have permits to carry on campus with their firearms it is highly likely this event wouldn't have occured, and if it had there is every chance in the world that some student would have shot the SOB after, or before, he killed many people. They left these people unarmed, liberals did that, and this is the consequence. Yes, the shooter is to blame for carrying out his act, but liberals are to blame that he had the chance to carry it out without opposition.

Go over to DU because it is clear you are no conservative.

31 posted on 04/16/2007 1:54:16 PM PDT by calex59
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To: I see my hands

VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker celebrating the defeat of the bill..Larry there may be some INCOMING!


32 posted on 04/16/2007 1:55:55 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Coleus

When it happens, and happen it will, what will Virginia Tech say about an al Qaeda hostage taking siilar to Beslan?

“Sure glad there wern’t any guns on campus, we could have lost more than the 321 if there had been resistance.”


33 posted on 04/16/2007 1:59:52 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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When it happens, and happen it will, what will Virginia Tech say about an al Qaeda hostage taking siilar to Beslan?

“Sure glad there wern’t any guns on campus, we could have lost more than the 321 if there had been resistance.”


34 posted on 04/16/2007 1:59:54 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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Excellent thread, and I hope our leadership speaks about this when confronted with more gun control idiots.

It’s a shame these kids died, and it’s a bigger shame that they could defend themselves.


35 posted on 04/16/2007 1:59:56 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: HardStarboard

Sorry for the multi posts!


36 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:01 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: Rick_Michael; Coleus

‘Couldn’t’ defend themselves.


37 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:42 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: Southack
and so yet another liberal gets people killed, but they "felt safe" up until that point.

And the only one who was actually made safe was the killer himself.

38 posted on 04/16/2007 2:03:46 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: Coleus
Oleg Volk, over at thehighroad.org posted these today:


39 posted on 04/16/2007 2:03:54 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: American Quilter

Apparently, the gentleman of Asian decent that allegedly committed this heinous act of lethal violence was not aware of VA Tech’s rules regarding weapons on campus. Otherwise, he surely would not have brought guns on to the campus.

I agree. There were likely several students that would have had an opportunity to stop this guy had they been legally armed.


40 posted on 04/16/2007 2:04:17 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: Drennan Whyte

Still waiting to see whether the wacko was an Islamofascist. The second bunch of shootings occurred in an engineering building. It is well known that foreign students from Islamic countries major in engineering in disproportionate percentages.


41 posted on 04/16/2007 2:05:11 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: calex59

Agreed. NO matter how idiotic this shooter is, it’s policy that made people live under a more dangerous circumstance. It’s not wrong to note that, and it’s not hijacking...it’s clarifying the truth.

Chances are one of these students could have helped save many, and that’s how it should have been.


42 posted on 04/16/2007 2:06:54 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Ability to carry sidearms would have made them safer, not necessarily safe.
43 posted on 04/16/2007 2:07:56 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: jude24

“Gun control, or the lack thereof, had absolutely nothing to do with the situation.”


You are right that it didin’t have anything to do with the situation however, it might have had something to do with the end result.


44 posted on 04/16/2007 2:10:13 PM PDT by TDA2
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"The schools and universities that had to wait for the police to arrive, those are the ones that find these high death tolls. "It's just a real shame," he concluded, "that these guys never get it."

It is time to start holding officials and polititions that make innocent, honest citizens sitting ducks as much accountable as the killer. They should be charged as accessories to murder. They are just as guilty of this as if they were there and held the victims down so the killer could shoot them.

Using the power of government this is exactly what they did.

45 posted on 04/16/2007 2:10:36 PM PDT by metalurgist ("For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" No to Rudy)
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Sorry for the rant. I'm not sure which of those grief stages are which but anger popped up first.

Sadness must be one of the stages cuz I feel it coming on strong right now.

Man, poor kids. Never got to live life, never got to find out what happens. Gone, sad.


46 posted on 04/16/2007 2:11:27 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
while at the university of new Mexico I carried a Walther TPH.
47 posted on 04/16/2007 2:11:45 PM PDT by vapor5
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To: Coleus
actual article.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

48 posted on 04/16/2007 2:11:53 PM PDT by bigjoesaddle (If Gandhi were President instead of Ronald Regan, we would be calling one another "Comrade" now.)
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The VA Tech idiot Larry Hincker has the blood of innocent people on his hands... down to his dying day because HE blocked their right of self-defense!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

49 posted on 04/16/2007 2:14:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: YOUGOTIT

Radio host (Schmidt) that comes on here after Rush stated that a witness with ATF connections told ABC that the shooter was muslim. That is what he reported about 15 minutes ago.

No ID, no reports of white guy shooter, no reports of what the shooter said if anything and no reports of the shooter being recognized by any students. You can bet this was not some radical Methodist!

LLS


50 posted on 04/16/2007 2:14:33 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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