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Conservatives to Bush: Fire Gonzales
Time ^ | Apr. 16, 2007 | Adam Zagorin

Posted on 04/16/2007 4:05:32 PM PDT by kellynla

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To: Clintonfatigued

He certainly should resign. Not only has he given three different (and contradictory) versions of his role in this matter but he’s enabling the Dems to produce another show trial.
In my opinion, he never should have been appointed in the first place. As a chief federal law enforcer he’s aided and abetted the foreign illegal alien invasion, throwing the burden on states which don’t have the resources to effectively protect themselves.
He should go back to Texas and work with another Bush buddy, Johnny Sutton, to see if they can harass and persecute more Border Agents like Ramos. And maybe in his retirement he can study Article IV., Section 4 of the Constitution:

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion.”


41 posted on 04/16/2007 6:17:39 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Bushman2
"The Dems art after anyone. If they get AG fired/resign they will keep going for more blood. Why do you think they are pushing the Primaries up to Feb ‘08? That means GWB’s term is over then. He will be virtually ineffective from then on. READ THE TEA LEAVES"

Of course. This is the plan by democrats. Non-stop political assassinations of Bush and other Republicans. Waxman is going to hold never-ending show trials from now until '08. Yet another reason I just don't understand the wimpiness of conservatives. Do they enjoy having their reputations ruined? Do they relish being forced to resign? By giving in even a tiny bit to the democrats they signalled total capitulation. Liberals play for keeps.

42 posted on 04/16/2007 6:24:48 PM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: Cicero
But as long as it’s clear that he’s firing the bloody idiot because he’s an incompetent fool, then by all means fire him.

It will never be made clear.

What will be made clear is that the Demrats were right. . .and they 'got him'. . .and then we only have to wait as long as an 'inhale' before they move on to their next target in their 'search and destroy' misson of Bush and entire Administration. . .while using each success against all future Repub candidates as well.

43 posted on 04/16/2007 6:39:16 PM PDT by cricket (If you want to lose a mile; give a Lib an inch. . .)
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To: Logophile

acknowlage reality, drop the ‘war on terror’ and start discussing a ‘humanitarian effort’ go to the Bob Dole playbook of concensus building instead of groupthink.

we need to focus support with the Sec Def and to stabilize some poorly implimented plans.

we need to drop the politics and focus on solutions as pragmatists.

I heard Bob Doles comments on the VA today, and found it vastly different than the hubris and arrogance that we are accustomed to, Gates very well spoken, and I find it irritating that at this late date a ‘bad call’, ‘faulty intel’, ‘toutered definitions of torture’, has taken us from the point where once upon a time Bob Dole offered Milosovec a deal to advert a humanitarian crisis, where we were the liberators and the good guys, and our image was untarnished as a nation.

we tried it the way the neoconservatives advocated it, and there is alot at stake in the M.E. and that is precisely why the antics are no longer acceptable.

there needs to be new faces, new ideas, and new language to move this nation forward, as an example catch Gov. Swarz of CA at the Georgetown Unniv.

I’m tired of the amnesia of facts, responsibility, cause and affect, and the amnesia of history.

We need a national effort behind Gates and new leadership to stabilize the humanitarian crisis that has been created and I’m tired of these pimps of discredited verbiage and ideas making that difficult.

And to sum things up.. the political unwillingness to fund the VA, as a simple acknowledgement of the fact that the war has exceeded its budget, the simple act of reality, without the politics seems to be beyond the capability of the current crowd.

Yes the paleocons are fed up, some more gracious (as always) than others.. we need the old guard republicans to step up and STOP MAKING excuses and start some new initiatives and ideas for solutions.

On human rights alone, GONZO should go.. our protestations to Russia sound weak as long as that buffon is in office.

As a republican I’m embarrased, as an American I’m concerned and advocate change.


44 posted on 04/16/2007 6:56:06 PM PDT by InsNerd (Insurance Nerd)
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To: OldFriend
And Harriet Myers?

He nominated them, but it was the then Republican Senate that confirmed them. Bush picked the incompetent types to work for him.

45 posted on 04/16/2007 7:18:47 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule-H.L. Menken)
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To: InsNerd
I am having a hard time following you.

I asked you which conservative principles would be advanced by folding to the Democrats and dumping Gonzales. You responded by mentioning Bob Dole, the VA, Milosevic, the Secretary of Defense, foreign policy, the war in Iraq, etc. I do not see how those things relate to the firing of the U.S. attorneys, which is the ostensible reason for the Gonzales "scandal".

By the way, to "drop politics and focus on solutions as pragmatists" is a sure loser. It is all about politics. If the Left proves better at politics than we are, then "genuine conservative values" will be lost.

46 posted on 04/16/2007 7:29:00 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: samadams2000; kellynla

Getting rid of Gonzalez may seem an attractive proposition but can you imagine the sort of Attorney General that this Senate will confirm? I guess we can count on Sen. Arlen Specter to make sure a stalwart conservative makes it through the confirmation process. (IS a “SARCASM” Warining necessary here, or is it obvious?)


47 posted on 04/16/2007 7:46:57 PM PDT by berstbubble
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Bush picked the incompetent types to work for him.

like Rummy and Cheney?

48 posted on 04/16/2007 10:52:36 PM PDT by woofie
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To: kellynla
Conservatives to Bush: Fire Gonzales

A gutless lynch mob carrying water for Democrats.
49 posted on 04/16/2007 10:55:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: kellynla

“Gonzo should have never been hired. He & Jorge have refused to do the jobs they were paid & swore to do which was & is to enforce the immigration laws of this country. And instead of coming forward and saying that the POTUS has the right to fire & hire any and all of the U.S. attorneys they choose; like the geldings they are; they apologize? What a couple of wimps! November, 2008 won’t come soon enough for me...now if we only had a CONSERVATIVE with a set to vote for!”


Bears repeating!


50 posted on 04/16/2007 11:01:30 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: aruanan

“gutless lynch mob?”

Well, I believe Bush should not have even have hired Gonzo and because he has FAILED MISERABLY to enforce the immigration laws; he should be FIRED.

The only “gutless” bunch I see is the Bush Administration.
But you keep “carrying the water” for them.


51 posted on 04/17/2007 4:54:14 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Nextrush
The President through the Attorney General can fire these people whether there’s political motives or not.

Gonzales had the power to get rid of the U.S. Attorneys

Of course.

So why has Alberto been going to such lengths to distance himself from the decision? Why point the finger everywhere else?

52 posted on 04/17/2007 1:26:35 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Logophile
The answer was succinct and had nothing to do about democrats, but instead was about voters. Your preaching to the choir here is frankly ridiculous, if you support the way that Gonzales has handled his tenure at AG well fine.

I think that the AG has done a horrible job.

I think where we really disagree is in your assumption that Republicans should support Gonzales for no other reason than bipartisn reasons, which I do not.

Good republicans put country first and party second.

Lets hear what he has to say Thursday, but really what we have is an ogoing amnesia about his decisions and job performance, some would call it perjury, I do.

To paraphrase the article it is "Clintonesque" to assume otherwise.

And clintonesque is to quibble...

I think he should be impeached and disallowed the opportunity to resign as attorney general, and then count the silverware.

There are lots of Republicans tired of carrying the water of these fools and their poor behavior.

53 posted on 04/17/2007 3:33:52 PM PDT by InsNerd (Insurance Nerd)
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To: kellynla

No where is competence and integrity required when an (R) proceeds the name with a few.

These are the types where drinking the kooolaid is a church activity of (R).

Gonzales lied and stating it elsewise is evading that fact.

Once uon a time democrats were notorious for bold-faced lying, now I see for a few it is a virtue of the right.

Some still call lying perjury


54 posted on 04/17/2007 3:42:45 PM PDT by InsNerd (Insurance Nerd)
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To: highball

What is there ultimately to be ashamed of? I don’t feel like anyone knew how to handle things properly in the first place.

Just say thank you, goodbye and replace them.


55 posted on 04/18/2007 4:33:46 AM PDT by Nextrush ( Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high.....McCain......")
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To: kellynla
American Freedom Agenda, a recently formed body designed to promote conservative legal principles

So Time went out trolling for a group to support their pre-conceived opinion. They found one..."a recently formed body." This is not a new technique for Time.

Time also goes to "Catholics for Choice" to get opinions on abortion (a group that is lead by a non-Catholic and is not endorsed by the Catholic church).

56 posted on 04/18/2007 4:41:47 AM PDT by kidd
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