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Sources: Virginia Tech gunman left note
Chicago Tribune ^ | April 17, 2007 | Aamer Madhani

Posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:01 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.

The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


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Wonder if he is a convert to ROP?
1 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:04 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD
"Ismail Ax"?

Sounds like we may have a terrorist sympathizer.

The entire text of this letter had better f****** be released.

2 posted on 04/17/2007 8:56:37 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Ishmael X?


3 posted on 04/17/2007 8:58:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: 3AngelaD

I hit those two words into the search box and what was the first link to come up? ROP. Whodathunkit.


4 posted on 04/17/2007 8:58:35 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Wikipedia

Judaism has generally viewed Ishmael as wicked though repentant.[1] Islamic tradition, however, has a very positive view of Ishmael, ascribing a larger role to Ishmael in comparison to the Bible and viewing him as a prophet and the son of sacrifice (according to certain early theologians whose ideas prevailed later). The Bahá'í writings consider him a lesser prophet.

Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people

5 posted on 04/17/2007 8:58:37 AM PDT by meg88
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To: 3AngelaD
What in the hell does “Ismail Ax” mean?
6 posted on 04/17/2007 8:59:59 AM PDT by Jaysun (See you in Heaven if you make the list.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Question:

What two things do most mass murderers have in common?

Answer:

A firearm AND PROZAC!

“Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. “

Oh but lets forget that second thingie, we gotta focus on the GUNZ!!

7 posted on 04/17/2007 9:00:19 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Article also reveals that is highly unlikely there was a “second shooter” - same weapon was used to murder kids in the dormitory and to murder kids in the lecture hall across campus.


8 posted on 04/17/2007 9:00:23 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: meg88

Ishmael was the son of Hagar. She planned to leave him in the desert to die but God told her no. I believe Ishmael is the patriarch of the muslim line.


9 posted on 04/17/2007 9:00:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Nothing to see here folks. Just another jilted lover lone nut. Move along please. Nothing to see here. Move along please.


10 posted on 04/17/2007 9:00:35 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: 3AngelaD

I wonder why they do not release the ENTIRE note? Or perhaps they have and its not being reported?


11 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:02 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: 3AngelaD

According to recent FNC report, he set a couple of fires in his dorm room recently and he was depressed. Is this another one being treated with anti-depressants????


12 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:04 AM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: 3AngelaD
He was an English major so I'd hope he'd have written something that could be understood.
13 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:19 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: wideawake
"Ismail Ax"?

Ismail is the Arabic form of Ishmael.

From aaiil.org:
Ismail
Iss-maa-eel M
Arabic God answered to the prayer;
Smile; Delight; Daring; Bold
Same as Ismael (name of a prophet);
Son of the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham)

14 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:23 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: 3AngelaD

“Ismail Ax”? That “rambling list of grievances” should be an interesting read. ....if we ever see it.


15 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:53 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: wideawake

Please...why makes this worse than it is. He was a mixed up, lonely disturbed kid. I will say, though, that the Korean culture is a very tough one for men. I’d like to know what his grades have been as well.

I worked for a large Korean company (you’d know it). 98% of the workers were Korean at the time. The way the older men treated the younger ones was outrageous in our terms. But they didn’t see it that way. Of course, I left because of the way I was treated. The other two women who worked there sued for sexual discrimination and they won. Alot. I wouldn’t join in the lawsuit because I believe that if you don’t like where you work, here in America you have the choice to work somewhere else.

The interesting thing is when I asked one of the young men how he “felt” about the way he was treated, he laughed at me. He said that the reason Americans felt so threatened when their bosses yelled at them was because, in America, there’s always that threat of being fired as well. In Korea, barring something incredibly bad, your job is safe. So they just take the abuse and when it’s their turn, they give it out the same way. It was not an environment I wanted to be a part of.,


16 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:11 AM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: DanielRedfoot

Could be the info is a leak by someone who doesn’t have the actual note, but read at least part of it.


17 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:17 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: cripplecreek

Ishmael is also a character in Moby Dick
and if the guy was an English major,
that’s another possibility.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:23 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: 3AngelaD

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm

I have no idea what this is...googled Ismail ax


19 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:31 AM PDT by Ellesu
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To: 3AngelaD

Was he the BOYFRIEND of the first girl that was killed? If NOT then hmmmmmmmm?


20 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:43 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: 3AngelaD

“The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.”

Sooo...is it in the note or on his arm? Who writes this crap?

(or am I just having reading comprehension issues?)


21 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:46 AM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: 3AngelaD
A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
22 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:53 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: penowa

Possibly. Stalking women, set a fire in his dorm room, wrote a screed and signed it “Ismail Ax”...I’m thinking “nutburger” before I’m thinking ROP on this one. Although Ishmael is generally considered to be the father of the Arabs, and thus the Muslims descended from him the same way that the Israelites descended from Isaac and Jacob.

}:-)4


23 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:55 AM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: cripplecreek

Ishmael in Islam
Main article: Islamic view of Ishmael
In Islam, Ishmael is known as the first-born son of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) from Hagar, and as an appointed prophet of God.

Although Ishmael’s name was not mentioned in the Qur’an as the son who was supposed to be sacrificed, nevertheless the sacrifice tale in the Qur’an (As-Saffat [37:112]) clearly states that God gave Abraham the good news of Isaac and who he will be (a prophet, and one of the Righteous) after the sacrifice tale has finished which means that Isaac was not yet born at the time of the sacrifice[2]. In Islamic beliefs, Abraham had prayed to God for a son (’Isma’ in Arabic means ‘to listen’, i.e., answer prayer, and ‘ell’ is derived from the Hebrew word ‘elle’, meaning ‘God’). God delivered this child to Abraham, and later tested Abraham’s faith by asking him to sacrifice his only son at the time. However, just as Abraham was to kill his only son, God halted him, praised him for his loyalty, and commanded him to sacrifice a ram instead. This leads to the Muslim practice of sacrificing domesticated animals such as sheep, goats or cows, on the celebration to mark this event known as Eid ul-Adha.

According to The Oxford Companion To The Bible, “Because Ishmael was circumcised (Gen. 17:25), so are most Muslims. And, analogous to Paul’s reversal of the figures of Isaac and Ishmael (Gal. 4:24-26), Muslim tradition makes Ishmael rather than Isaac the son Abraham was commanded to sacrifice.”[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael


24 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:57 AM PDT by meg88
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To: wideawake
Ismail Ax as a keyword in google yields nothing that seems even tenuously related to the VT event..

Ditto for Alta VIsta and Dogpile.

25 posted on 04/17/2007 9:03:01 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: 3AngelaD

Very interesting. BTTT!


26 posted on 04/17/2007 9:03:17 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: penowa

He set a couple of FIRES in his dorm room and they didn’t EXPEL him??


27 posted on 04/17/2007 9:04:04 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: DogBarkTree

“The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.”

There is no Islamic connection. Repeat 3 times and rinse.


28 posted on 04/17/2007 9:04:10 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Al Gator
“Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. “

The FIX is in.........

29 posted on 04/17/2007 9:04:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: 3AngelaD

This is becoming more and more interesting:

“A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans” on campus.”

And also an “Ismail Ax”?

Don’t tell me - another “religion of peace” follower?

A muslum?


30 posted on 04/17/2007 9:04:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: 3AngelaD
A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

Damn those rich kids...more evidence of "two Americas". Debauchery? On an American campus? I'm shocked. Deceitful charlatans? You mean the Student Loan department? /s

But seriously, what the hell does "Ismail Ax" mean?

31 posted on 04/17/2007 9:04:58 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: 3AngelaD

Can’t find the “Ismail X” reference anywhere in the linked article.


32 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ASOC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_I

Shāh Ismā'il Abu'l-Mozaffar bin Sheikh Haydar bin Sheikh Junayd Safawī (Persian: شاه اسماعیل - Azerbaijani: Şah İsmayıl Səfəvi) (July 17, 1487 - May 23, 1524), Shah of Iran and the founder of the Safavid dynasty, which survived until 1736. He was a Shi'ite from Ardabil, Iran. Shah Ismail first proclaimed Safavid Shia state in Azerbaijan in 1501, and year later, in 1502, in all of Iran. [1] He reigned as Shāh Ismā'il I of Irān from 1502 to 1524. Shah Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khatā'ī, contributed greatly to the literary development of Azerbaijani language.[2]

33 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:19 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: cripplecreek

I think the whole thing is Rosie O’Doughnut’s fault because she made fun of asians.


34 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:21 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: Just sayin
I hit those two words into the search box and what was the first link to come up?

Very interesting what comes up with a search ... geez

35 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:23 AM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Just another troubled “youth” (on Prozac probably) crying out for help. /s


36 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:24 AM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: 3AngelaD

I read the same Trib article and after I googled Ismail Ax and returned to the story the Trib had pulled the sentence referring to Ismail Ax.

I wonder why??????


37 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:31 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: 3AngelaD

He was an English major. Maybe this is a reference to the first line of Herman Melville’s Moby Dick: “Call me Ishmael”...


38 posted on 04/17/2007 9:05:35 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Steve0113

ready to pay off that bet?


39 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:08 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: wideawake

On line, Ismail is a Muslim name. Google it. I guess it’s a variant on one of Abraham’s sons.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:09 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: ASOC; 3AngelaD

Good catch. Where did you get this text, 3AD - it’s not in the article?


41 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: 3AngelaD

That was my first reaction too....
English major,
Ishmael...
White whale and death and obsession.

Makes sense to me.


42 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:37 AM PDT by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: Ellesu
found this:

Applicant (S) with the cassation: Ismail X…
Ruling on the appeal formed by:- X… Ismail,
against the stop of the Court of Appeal of Colmar,
correctional room, dated January 24, 2006, which, for
infringements with the legislation on the narcotics and
smuggling, condemned to five years of

43 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:41 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: cripplecreek
“Ishmael was the son of Hagar. She planned to leave him in the desert to die but God told her no. I believe Ishmael is the patriarch of the muslim line.”

I haven’t done an in depth study of this ... but I have been told the Biblical lineage backs this up. And another reason WHY Islmaist HATE JEWS and Christians. Jews and Christians recognize Isaac as the LEGITIMATE heir to God’s promises to Abraham and Sarah.

44 posted on 04/17/2007 9:06:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Jaysun

I thought it was Ismail ACTS.


45 posted on 04/17/2007 9:07:08 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: penowa
Yes, he was on antidepressants.
46 posted on 04/17/2007 9:07:36 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Red Badger
“Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression.“

That often seems to be the case...

47 posted on 04/17/2007 9:07:47 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: PissAndVinegar
Sooo...is it in the note or on his arm? Who writes this crap? (or am I just having reading comprehension issues?)

No, it's not just you.

The comment is meaningless gibberish.

48 posted on 04/17/2007 9:07:49 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rbmillerjr
Just another case of 'Instant Jihad' like at LAX, OU Football Stadium, Salt Lake etc.

Now lets all 'move on' and pass more gun control laws!

49 posted on 04/17/2007 9:08:17 AM PDT by meg88
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To: 3AngelaD

I guess violence is relative. The Italian communists are mocking the murders as “American as apple pie”. Coming from communists who know blood-shed better than anyone else is laughable.


50 posted on 04/17/2007 9:08:19 AM PDT by rbosque
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