Posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:01 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.
The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
Sounds like we may have a terrorist sympathizer.
The entire text of this letter had better f****** be released.
Ishmael X?
I hit those two words into the search box and what was the first link to come up? ROP. Whodathunkit.
Judaism has generally viewed Ishmael as wicked though repentant.[1] Islamic tradition, however, has a very positive view of Ishmael, ascribing a larger role to Ishmael in comparison to the Bible and viewing him as a prophet and the son of sacrifice (according to certain early theologians whose ideas prevailed later). The Bahá'í writings consider him a lesser prophet.
Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people
What two things do most mass murderers have in common?
Answer:
A firearm AND PROZAC!
“Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. “
Oh but lets forget that second thingie, we gotta focus on the GUNZ!!
Article also reveals that is highly unlikely there was a “second shooter” - same weapon was used to murder kids in the dormitory and to murder kids in the lecture hall across campus.
Ishmael was the son of Hagar. She planned to leave him in the desert to die but God told her no. I believe Ishmael is the patriarch of the muslim line.
Nothing to see here folks. Just another jilted lover lone nut. Move along please. Nothing to see here. Move along please.
I wonder why they do not release the ENTIRE note? Or perhaps they have and its not being reported?
According to recent FNC report, he set a couple of fires in his dorm room recently and he was depressed. Is this another one being treated with anti-depressants????
Ismail is the Arabic form of Ishmael.
From aaiil.org:
Ismail
Iss-maa-eel M
Arabic God answered to the prayer;
Smile; Delight; Daring; Bold
Same as Ismael (name of a prophet);
Son of the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham)
“Ismail Ax”? That “rambling list of grievances” should be an interesting read. ....if we ever see it.
Please...why makes this worse than it is. He was a mixed up, lonely disturbed kid. I will say, though, that the Korean culture is a very tough one for men. I’d like to know what his grades have been as well.
I worked for a large Korean company (you’d know it). 98% of the workers were Korean at the time. The way the older men treated the younger ones was outrageous in our terms. But they didn’t see it that way. Of course, I left because of the way I was treated. The other two women who worked there sued for sexual discrimination and they won. Alot. I wouldn’t join in the lawsuit because I believe that if you don’t like where you work, here in America you have the choice to work somewhere else.
The interesting thing is when I asked one of the young men how he “felt” about the way he was treated, he laughed at me. He said that the reason Americans felt so threatened when their bosses yelled at them was because, in America, there’s always that threat of being fired as well. In Korea, barring something incredibly bad, your job is safe. So they just take the abuse and when it’s their turn, they give it out the same way. It was not an environment I wanted to be a part of.,
Could be the info is a leak by someone who doesn’t have the actual note, but read at least part of it.
Ishmael is also a character in Moby Dick
and if the guy was an English major,
that’s another possibility.
Was he the BOYFRIEND of the first girl that was killed? If NOT then hmmmmmmmm?
“The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.”
Sooo...is it in the note or on his arm? Who writes this crap?
(or am I just having reading comprehension issues?)
Possibly. Stalking women, set a fire in his dorm room, wrote a screed and signed it “Ismail Ax”...I’m thinking “nutburger” before I’m thinking ROP on this one. Although Ishmael is generally considered to be the father of the Arabs, and thus the Muslims descended from him the same way that the Israelites descended from Isaac and Jacob.
}:-)4
Ishmael in Islam
Main article: Islamic view of Ishmael
In Islam, Ishmael is known as the first-born son of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) from Hagar, and as an appointed prophet of God.
Although Ishmael’s name was not mentioned in the Qur’an as the son who was supposed to be sacrificed, nevertheless the sacrifice tale in the Qur’an (As-Saffat [37:112]) clearly states that God gave Abraham the good news of Isaac and who he will be (a prophet, and one of the Righteous) after the sacrifice tale has finished which means that Isaac was not yet born at the time of the sacrifice[2]. In Islamic beliefs, Abraham had prayed to God for a son (’Isma’ in Arabic means ‘to listen’, i.e., answer prayer, and ‘ell’ is derived from the Hebrew word ‘elle’, meaning ‘God’). God delivered this child to Abraham, and later tested Abraham’s faith by asking him to sacrifice his only son at the time. However, just as Abraham was to kill his only son, God halted him, praised him for his loyalty, and commanded him to sacrifice a ram instead. This leads to the Muslim practice of sacrificing domesticated animals such as sheep, goats or cows, on the celebration to mark this event known as Eid ul-Adha.
According to The Oxford Companion To The Bible, “Because Ishmael was circumcised (Gen. 17:25), so are most Muslims. And, analogous to Paul’s reversal of the figures of Isaac and Ishmael (Gal. 4:24-26), Muslim tradition makes Ishmael rather than Isaac the son Abraham was commanded to sacrifice.”[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
Ditto for Alta VIsta and Dogpile.
Very interesting. BTTT!
He set a couple of FIRES in his dorm room and they didn’t EXPEL him??
“The note included a rambling list of grievances and ended with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.”
There is no Islamic connection. Repeat 3 times and rinse.
The FIX is in.........
This is becoming more and more interesting:
“A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans” on campus.”
And also an “Ismail Ax”?
Don’t tell me - another “religion of peace” follower?
A muslum?
Damn those rich kids...more evidence of "two Americas". Debauchery? On an American campus? I'm shocked. Deceitful charlatans? You mean the Student Loan department? /s
But seriously, what the hell does "Ismail Ax" mean?
Can’t find the “Ismail X” reference anywhere in the linked article.
Shāh Ismā'il Abu'l-Mozaffar bin Sheikh Haydar bin Sheikh Junayd Safawī (Persian: شاه اسماعیل - Azerbaijani: Şah İsmayıl Səfəvi) (July 17, 1487 - May 23, 1524), Shah of Iran and the founder of the Safavid dynasty, which survived until 1736. He was a Shi'ite from Ardabil, Iran. Shah Ismail first proclaimed Safavid Shia state in Azerbaijan in 1501, and year later, in 1502, in all of Iran. [1] He reigned as Shāh Ismā'il I of Irān from 1502 to 1524. Shah Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khatā'ī, contributed greatly to the literary development of Azerbaijani language.[2]
I think the whole thing is Rosie O’Doughnut’s fault because she made fun of asians.
Very interesting what comes up with a search ... geez
Just another troubled “youth” (on Prozac probably) crying out for help. /s
I read the same Trib article and after I googled Ismail Ax and returned to the story the Trib had pulled the sentence referring to Ismail Ax.
I wonder why??????
He was an English major. Maybe this is a reference to the first line of Herman Melville’s Moby Dick: “Call me Ishmael”...
ready to pay off that bet?
On line, Ismail is a Muslim name. Google it. I guess it’s a variant on one of Abraham’s sons.
Good catch. Where did you get this text, 3AD - it’s not in the article?
That was my first reaction too....
English major,
Ishmael...
White whale and death and obsession.
Makes sense to me.
I haven’t done an in depth study of this ... but I have been told the Biblical lineage backs this up. And another reason WHY Islmaist HATE JEWS and Christians. Jews and Christians recognize Isaac as the LEGITIMATE heir to God’s promises to Abraham and Sarah.
I thought it was Ismail ACTS.
That often seems to be the case...
No, it's not just you.
The comment is meaningless gibberish.
Now lets all 'move on' and pass more gun control laws!
I guess violence is relative. The Italian communists are mocking the murders as “American as apple pie”. Coming from communists who know blood-shed better than anyone else is laughable.
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