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Yes, Virginia, guns kill innocents (Barf Alert)
NY Daily News ^ | April 17th 2007 | MICHAEL DALY

Posted on 04/17/2007 10:18:12 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: lowbridge

Would he feel better if he just set the buildings on fire with the doors chained instead??


61 posted on 04/17/2007 11:27:04 AM PDT by E.Allen
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To: misharu
...but the local paper's stories on the law really swayed me over to pro-gunhood...

You just hit on the best reason to support the 2nd Amendment.

Anti-'s only have their own feelings (GUNS are EVIL) and misdirected opinions (I'm not responsible enough to own a gun and I'm smarter than everyone else, ergo, No One is responsible enough).

Pro-'s can back up their opinions with facts and anecdotal evidence all day long.

I tend to side with the latter, rather than people that just think that they know what's best for everyone.

62 posted on 04/17/2007 11:27:51 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Nachum
Murders in New York City through April 15 is actually 108.

Correct - which means that it's about 1.02 per day. It was 1.45 this time last year.

Oh, and also: 396 rapes

There were 1721 rapes in VA in 2005, or 22.6 per 100,000. In NYC in 2006, there were 1497, or 18.5 per 100,000. Safer than VA.

5,393 robberies

231 per 100,000 vs. 101 per 100,000 for VA. Much less robbery in VA.

4171 fel. assaults

179 per 100,000 for NYC vs. 155 per 100,000 for VA. NYC has 15% more than VA.

Also car thefts are 194 per 100,000 in NYC and 210 per 100,000 in VA.

So basically, you are more likely to be murdered, raped/sodomized or have your car stolen in VA than you are in NYC.

You are more likely to have your wallet or iPod taken or to get punched or kicked in NYC than in VA.

I would prefer losing my wallet over my car.

I would also much prefer getting punched in the stomach to having my brains blown out or being raped.

So NYC fits my preferences pretty well.

What is amazing is that 70% of VA's population is rural whereas 100% of NYC's population is urban.

VA should be several times safer than NYC - but it's actually noticeably more dangerous.

63 posted on 04/17/2007 11:28:45 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
VA should be several times safer than NYC - but it's actually noticeably more dangerous

No doubt! /s

64 posted on 04/17/2007 11:38:30 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: freespirited
Comparing a small geographic area like NYC to a large one like VA is comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, but the disadvantages are entirely on NYC's side of the equation. NYC should suffer by comparison to VA. But yet it doesn't.

There are parts of VA that are known for crime (e.g. Richmond) and parts that are known for safety.

There are parts of NYC that are known for crime (e.g. Brownsville) and parts that are known for safety (i.e. Mill Basin).

Fairfax County VA, where the murderer came from, has the lowest homicide rate in the country. IIRC 0.3 per 100,000.

Fairfax County has a murder rate of 0.3 per 100,000 indeed.

Manhattan South Precinct (where I work), which has a population about the same size as Fairfax County, had a murder rate of 0.3 per 100,000 as well.

And it not only has a permanent population the size of Fairfax County, it has a daytime population almost 3 times the size of Fairfax County.

65 posted on 04/17/2007 11:38:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: lowbridge

I love how liberals project. It’s pretty obvious from this article that Micheal Daley is vicious little SOB. He knows deep inside that if he was to possess a gun, it wouldn’t be too long before he’d go postal. So because he, Micheal Daley, would go postal, everyone else needs to be prohibited from possessing guns.


66 posted on 04/17/2007 11:38:41 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.)
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To: relee

Your sarcasm is unwarranted. The results are in.


67 posted on 04/17/2007 11:39:24 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: lowbridge

http://www.attackcartoons.com/article.php/20070416133437418


68 posted on 04/17/2007 11:40:36 AM PDT by attackcartoons
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To: lowbridge
“Ready to admit that it’s madness for any psycho to be able to saunter into a gun shop and acquire firepower capable of killing 32 innocents?

Feel different now that the blood is the blood of so many of your most promising young people?””

First, Mike, Why don’t you tell us why “easy” availability of guns is a problem NOW? Guns have never been so regulated and out right banned in America as the last few decades—so what’s the problem, Mikey? What changed?

Country’s 230 yrs old, Mikey, whats the prob? Could it be, Mikey, that mad-dogs of the past DID occasionally try something like this only to be stopped by some God fearing and good citizen who happened to have a gun? Could be, but it’s far more likely that no mad-dog would have BOTHERED trying something like this 50 or 100 years ago BECAUSE of the reasonable likelihood's that they’d be stopped in short order.

Also, Mikey, After we dismiss the 2nd amendment which OTHER amendments are we going to dismiss When the lowest common denominator among us abuses it? Got any ideas, Mikey?

Or don’t you care since are you just a poseing moron, HUH, Mikey?

69 posted on 04/17/2007 11:48:34 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: longtermmemmory
city dweller who has no concept of life or living outside of NYC

Daly isn't even a city dweller - he lives and operates only in bohemian neighborhoods and office buildings.

He imagines horrible scenes of mayhem in neighborhoods he never visits.

Even in the worst neighborhoods in NYC 90% of murders occur in the following circumstances: violent thug exchanges words with another violent thug out in the street at 2 in the morning. Alcohol and/or drugs are involved.

The nightmare scenario that every tourist fears - a hapless law-abiding citizen walking in a normal neighborhood in the evening and being stuck up and killed for their jewelry or wallet - almost never happens in NYC.

When it happens it is front page news and there are stories about it in the paper for weeks.

In the late 70s/early 80s it was an almost daily occurrence.

70 posted on 04/17/2007 11:48:44 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Murders in New York City through April 15 is actually 108. Correct - which means that it's about 1.02 per day. It was 1.45 this time last year.

Geez.

Why not add in the Bronx, Kings, Queens, and Crown Heights. That might increase the crime figures a tad.

71 posted on 04/17/2007 11:53:37 AM PDT by Nachum
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“Why not add in the Bronx, Kings, Queens, and Crown Heights. That might increase the crime figures a tad.”

Crown Heights is in Kings county (Brooklyn)which along with Queens, Ststen Isl, Bronx, Manhattan make up NYC. When you say New York City you ARE talking about ALL five boroughs.


72 posted on 04/17/2007 12:01:17 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: wideawake; relee; Nachum

I wonder how much Washington D.C. is driving Virginia’s numbers up? /Captain of the Obvious


73 posted on 04/17/2007 12:06:36 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Nachum
Why not add in the Bronx, Kings, Queens, and Crown Heights. That might increase the crime figures a tad.

The numbers I've given include all five boroughs - in other words: Manhattan, Staten Island, Brooklyn (also known as Kings), and Queens, and the Bronx, and Crown Heights, which is just one neighborhood in Brooklyn.

74 posted on 04/17/2007 12:06:50 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Violent crime (per capita): 0.272 per 100 people in VA

Violent crime (per capita): 0.441 per 100 people in NY

Looks like violent crime is 62% higher in NY. No doubt, much safer! /s

75 posted on 04/17/2007 12:07:07 PM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: wideawake
Yes, but the disadvantages are entirely on NYC's side of the equation. NYC should suffer by comparison to VA. But yet it doesn't.

It's lost on me why you would think that.

76 posted on 04/17/2007 12:07:58 PM PDT by freespirited (Resentment, redistribution, and re-education. The three Rs of liberalism.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; relee; Nachum
I wonder how much Washington D.C. is driving Virginia’s numbers up?

I would expect that DC increases VA's vehicle theft statistics, but I haven't seen any indication that DC residents regularly travel into VA to kill people - they have plenty of work to do right in their own communities.

A good indicator of this is the extremely low murder rate in Fairfax County (0.03 murders per 100,000)which is right on the DC border. Alexandria and Falls Church also have very low murder rates.

Of course, quite a few people arrested for murder in NYC actually live in Newark and other rough parts of NJ - one of the most notorious murders of last year (a drunken college girl who wandered into some abandoned structures along the West Side Highway and was abducted) was committed by a resident of my state.

77 posted on 04/17/2007 12:14:50 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wbill
I tend to side with the latter, rather than people that just think that they know what's best for everyone.

wb -- I just BRISTLE at someone telling me what is good for me. As long as its legal, I should be allowed to do ANYTHING I want whether they like it or not.

Damn liberals.

78 posted on 04/17/2007 12:16:26 PM PDT by misharu (US Congress = children without adult supervision)
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To: freespirited
It's lost on me why you would think that.

Because NYC has a larger population than VA, so you would think that NYC would naturally have more murders and rapes because it has more people. NYC should have an automatic disadvantage.

Because NYC is completely urban, while VA has huge swaths of rural communities where you would expect to have much lower crime rates than in an area as highly urbanized as NYC. You would think that adding all those rural communities into VA's average should make VA have a much lower crime rate than NYC, putting NYC at a statistical disadvantage. But it doesn't.

Because NYC has a much higher proportion of recent and illegal immigrants and has an extra 3 million people traveling through it every day - this larger amount of transients should transalte into higher crime and put NYC at a disadvantage, and yet NYC still comes out ahead.

79 posted on 04/17/2007 12:21:03 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: lowbridge
Yes, Virginia, guns kill innocents when only criminals have guns.
80 posted on 04/17/2007 12:34:25 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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