Posted on 04/17/2007 10:18:12 AM PDT by lowbridge
Where would the anti-gunners be without lies. It was already illegal for Bloomberg's henchmen to make straw purchases for ANY reason. They had no jurisdiction to be carrying out a police operation outside NY.
(1) This is a bait and switch.
I was comparing the entire State of VA to New York City.
You have switched NYC to NY State.
(2) Even on the altered basis, your source reports that NY murders are .472 per 10,000 and NY rapes are .187 per 1,000 while it reports that VA murders are .513 per 10,000 and VA rapes are .233 per 1,000.
So one is still much more likely to be murdered (9% more likely) and raped (25% more likely) in VA than NY State.
The vaguer category of "violent crime" is not broken down, but I don't know what violent crimes are worse than murder and rape.
We all know what murder and rape are, but NY considers "menacing" a violent crime, even though no one is physically injured - let alone killed or raped - as a result of menacing.
I guess it comes down to this - you are arguing that someone who is murdered or raped is better off than someone who is robbed twice.
That's a weak argument.
Oh, and before I forget to mention it, violent crime is 62% higher in NY.
With all due respect, the safest I feel when I visit Brooklyn, is when I am stepping on the plane at JFK to go home. :)
Oh, and before I forget to mention it, violent crime is 62% higher in NY.
Except for murder and rape, which are 24% and 9% lower respectively.
So if you're OK with being murdered and/or raped, VA is the place for you.
JFK isn’t in Brooklyn.
Exactly.
Man, you just hang on to that attitude. It's what's best. LOL!!!
Seriously, I wish that there were more in the media, and frankly, in the Republican Party Leadership, that had that type attitude. Backbone is a rare feature, nowadays.
You are correct, anecdotal evidence is of little value.
By the way, did I mention that violent crime is 62% higher in NY. <--- non-anecdotal evidence.
Crown Heights is located in the Brooklyn South Precinct Area.
Brooklyn South has a murder rate running at 2.39 per 100,000 - or one-half that of NYC in general and one-third that of Virginia.
But nasty prejudices die hard, as someone named Nachum should well know.
However, rape is 24% higher and murder in 9% higher in VA.
So, non-anecdotally, if a New Yorker wants to significantly increase his or her chances of being raped and murdered then a move to VA is recommended.
Probably not. New Yorkers are smart. They know they can move to nearby Rhode Island to significantly increase their chances of being raped, and not by 24% but by a whopping 63%!
Now, if that smart New Yorker wants to get murdered, there's no need to move all the way to Virginia. Pennsylvania is closer and Pennsylvania has a higher murder rate that either New York or Virginia and much better cheesesteak!
LOL!
Larry Hincker; VA Tech spokesman.
2005 - "I think it's fair to say that we believe guns don't belong in the classroom. In an academic environment, we believe you should be free from fear." - Larry Hincker2006 - "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions, because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." - Larry Hincker celebrating the defeat of the bill allowing guns on campus
Consider: One gun might have saved 32 lives on the Virginia Tech campus;
One gun in each of four cockpits might have saved almost 3,000 lives on 9/11.
Question: Do we want effective action, or are we content with more insanity?
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This difference is removed as a factor when you standardize crime stats per 100,000 people.
Because NYC is completely urban, while VA has huge swaths of rural communities where you would expect to have much lower crime rates than in an area as highly urbanized as NYC. You would think that adding all those rural communities into VA's average should make VA have a much lower crime rate than NYC, putting NYC at a statistical disadvantage. But it doesn't.
Agreed, this should definitely have some effect. But the rural areas tend to be sparsely populated, so the effect is not that large.
Because NYC has a much higher proportion of recent and illegal immigrants and has an extra 3 million people traveling through it every day - this larger amount of transients should transalte into higher crime and put NYC at a disadvantage, and yet NYC still comes out ahead.
I thought we were talking only about homicide. I'm not sure that either immigrants or transients traveling through are much of a factor in homicide. Especially the latter; most of the transients are travelling through for commercial purposes. generally not a time when people stop to kill others.
BTW, Virginia does have plenty of immigrants, illegal and legal. MS13 considers it its East Coast headquarters.
I think you have to grant that NYC has one major advantage: a single, highly sophisticated police force. The quality of law enforcement in Virginia is variable from one jurisdiction to another. I imagine that few come close to the sophistication of the NYPD. (I dont want to consider the possibility that some departments may be closer to incompetent than competent.)
Keeping criminals off the street is an obvious factor in reducing crime. The NYPD has few equals, and I think this has to be a factor in the homicide stats.
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