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Massacre Gun: $571 for 9 mm Glock and 50 Bullets at Roanoke Store
ABC News ^ | 4/17/07

Posted on 04/17/2007 12:33:08 PM PDT by areafiftyone

Seung-Hui Cho bought his first gun, a 9mm handgun, on March 13 at a Roanoke, Va. gun store, the owner tells ABC News.

John Markell, the owner of Roanoke Firearms, said today that he had been interviewed by three agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms about Cho's purchase of a Glock 9 mm handgun.

"I feel terrible about this," Markell told ABC News at his store today, which is part gun shop, part pawn shop on the outskirts of Roanoke.

Markell said Cho's gun and a box of 50 bullets cost $571. He said Cho paid by check and left the store with the gun.

Markell said Cho was "a clean-cut college kid," and the transaction was entirely legal under Virginia law. "He was as cordial as could be, and there was nothing unusual in his manner that suggested any thing wrong," Markell said.

Markell said he was not present when Cho bought the gun, but that he had produced a state driver's license and an immigration card.

Law enforcement officials tell ABC News Cho bought his second weapon, a .22 caliber handgun, also in Virginia, within the last week.

"This was no spur of the moment crime. He's been thinking about this since at least the time he bought the first gun," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant.

Under Virginia law, state residents can only buy one handgun in any 30-day period, suggesting Cho bought his second weapon after April 13 or sometime over the weekend.

"He clearly spent some time figuring out how he was going to take care of business once classes began on Monday morning," said Garrett.

The date of the first gun purchase will likely serve as the time of "some triggering mechanism that was very important" to Cho said Garrett, an expert on profiling murderers.


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To: Doogle

And you could kill 32 people with all those box cutters?


51 posted on 04/17/2007 1:03:51 PM PDT by willi76
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To: areafiftyone

What about the extra magazines? And the vest with magazine pockets?


52 posted on 04/17/2007 1:04:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: paratrooper82

I had some bullets just pop off one time while sitting in their box. They’re some mean sumabitches too!! It’s Glock’s fault....Wait everything with a 9mm diameter will hurt you!! I know the gun was black and that makes them meaner and quicker to shoot?? A well trained assailant (murderer) to have killed so many so quickly. 9’s are notorious for just going through stuff without doing any scrambling. Were they hollow points, hydroshocks?


53 posted on 04/17/2007 1:04:20 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: areafiftyone

I used to have an FFL and sold guns. When I did, I “think” that I remember only being allowed to sell guns and ammo to a US citizen and resident of the STATE to which I was licensed to do business in. If this guy was not a citizen and legal resident of the State of Virginia, this gun shop owner is in violation of Federal and State gun laws (I think”).

LLS


54 posted on 04/17/2007 1:05:31 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: msg-84; MrB

According to info posted on FR yesterday, the guy from the gun shop mentioned (on the black rifle forum) that they sold some 33-round Glock magazines in addition. Said that they were the only place around there that carried them. That would add somewhat to the price.

I believe he said that on the forum that before he had talked with the BATF. He was just beginning to connect the dots early yesterday evening. I read through the whole forum thread before it was taken down.


55 posted on 04/17/2007 1:06:33 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: areafiftyone

Guess it wasn’t a “Saturday Night Special”.

Glad to see ABC has a consultant. But he should be from Truth in Media not the FBI.

This is going to go on and on and the Second Amendment will be in the cross hairs until the event is eclipsed by another tragedy.

Each year more and more generations of Americans are being “educated” into believing that there is a direct equation between guns and crime and the only way to eliminate crime is to eliminate guns - illogical as it may seem.

But the leftist politicians and media have an agenda which in not tied into the elimination of crime by getting rid of guns. That’s just an effective red herring. There REAL agenda is to ASSURE the sheeple who comprise the American public remain pliable, defenseless stooges while the leftists incrementally dismantle our Constitution and rights and convert America into a clone of a typical socialist western degenerate European nation.


56 posted on 04/17/2007 1:07:36 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: areafiftyone

Here we go. It’s all about the gun, not the maniac.


57 posted on 04/17/2007 1:09:24 PM PDT by Jaysun (See you in Heaven if you make the list.)
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To: MrB
Until he becomes a “citizen”, he is not “of the People”, as in “We the People” and “the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and Bear Arms SHALL NOT be INFRINGED”.

He is a visitor in our Nation ONLY and his presence is only due to our gracious hospitality.

LLS

58 posted on 04/17/2007 1:10:03 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: areafiftyone
The story implies his immigration card was current, I wonder if that is accurate?
59 posted on 04/17/2007 1:10:35 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: USMCPOP

Or if you ae a Virginia CCW holder.


60 posted on 04/17/2007 1:11:09 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: LibLieSlayer

yeah a visitor who’s been here since he was 12 and graduated HS in Va.


61 posted on 04/17/2007 1:12:57 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: TexasCajun
Valid green card.

From WTOP
... He had last renewed his green card on Oct. 27, 2003...

62 posted on 04/17/2007 1:14:10 PM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: RSmithOpt

He may have legally purchased it, but to me it seems wrong. 100% NRA Life member here too.

LLS


63 posted on 04/17/2007 1:16:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Al Gator

Are you saying it should be stricter? 90 days? 120 days? Once a year? I am not disagreeing with you if that is the case.

I think it is more likely that you are being sarcastic and saying since it didn’t work here there should be no restrictions whatsoever. Why is it that it is always all or nothing for some conservatives. Everything is not black or white.

global warming... is it not possible/likely humans have some impact (even minimal) so it may be a good idea to control it before it gets out of control?

smoking... just because that one person you know smoked 3 packs a day lived to be 95 does not mean that smoking is not bad for you.

seat belts... even though there may have been one person in a million that was killed because they wore a seatbelt does not make it wise to never wear one.

How about making steps in the right direction. Improve your odds a little bit.


64 posted on 04/17/2007 1:17:26 PM PDT by willi76
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To: areafiftyone
I see the "one gun a month" approach slowed him down a little. He had to wait 30 days after buying the Glock 17 to be permitted to buy the Walther P22. The guy obviously had his eye on the calendar to pick up the next one as soon as the law allowed. A good 35+ days to carefully plan the operation, purchase ammo, magazines, chain and locks. Not a spur of the moment action. Cold, calculated, well planned.
65 posted on 04/17/2007 1:19:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: willi76
Willi,

Are you on the correct forum?

Just asking.

To answer just a few things here, when you permit the government to dole out the articles that are your RIGHT to own, are you not giving up that right?

Global warming is an insidious attempt to slam the average guy with a global tax.

The one worlders are messing their pants trying to get that one.

66 posted on 04/17/2007 1:24:40 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: willi76

Your post shows the same “logic” exhibited by most nanny state “Liberals” -

no cost benefit analysis.

If this “logic” were applied to other things, no one would be allowed to own an automobile or a swimming pool.


67 posted on 04/17/2007 1:26:40 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: LibLieSlayer
The perp bought the 2 guns this year, been here in the US since he was 12 yr. old, no info on his weapons training at this time, and roughly has a 69% kill ratio to the total number of victims with both a Glock and Walther P-22 bought within the last 2 months.

This kid was darn good instantly or all his deceased victims were within 10 ft. of the barrels. Something still doesn't smell right about this horrendous tragedy. Even good shooting takes a good bit of practice and from the cell phone recording....the shots were coming quick. Record of only one box of fifty 9's being bought?

68 posted on 04/17/2007 1:28:08 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: absolootezer0
"kid was a pretty darn good shot. "

No. It takes no skill whatsoever to walk around shooting people laying on the floor, standing on the otherside of a door, and otherwise standing in line as ordered from a distance of about 3ft.

69 posted on 04/17/2007 1:34:20 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: West Texas Chuck
This is what amazes me. How does one person shoot 50 people, even if they are all in a contained area.

In a West Point class room Cho would have never stood a chance. Today every 18 year old need some type of military training because you never know when the next SicChoPunk could pop up again.


Movie: Strong, Army Strong


Movie: West Point: History Movie

70 posted on 04/17/2007 1:39:14 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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To: RSmithOpt
"This kid was darn good instantly or all his deceased victims were within 10 ft. of the barrels. "

See #69. The distance was ~3ft and no one challenged the perp.

71 posted on 04/17/2007 1:40:53 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: RSmithOpt

Absolutely right. There is a difference in shooting and killing. This guy either practiced ALOT, or had some sort of formal training (and Im not talking video games).


72 posted on 04/17/2007 1:41:10 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: RSmithOpt

yeah a visitor who’s been here since he was 12 and graduated HS in Va. Wonder why he never became a citizen?

73 posted on 04/17/2007 1:44:21 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Encourage illegal immigration! Maybe you too can be hit and killed by a drunk driver!)
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To: corlorde

Where in NH is that?

I live in Southern NH. I think it may be time for some pre-next-ban purchases...


74 posted on 04/17/2007 1:48:01 PM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: willi76

and Teddy Kennedy...why is that bloated, drunken murderer still driving?


75 posted on 04/17/2007 1:48:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (And don't tell me: you like Rudy, right?)
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To: areafiftyone
John Markell, the owner of Roanoke Firearms, said today that he had been interviewed by three agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms about Cho's purchase of a Glock 9 mm handgun.

"I feel terrible about this," Markell told ABC News at his store today, which is part gun shop, part pawn shop on the outskirts of Roanoke.

Poor guy. He's got nothing to feel guilty about, but I'm sure it'll always be on his mind.

76 posted on 04/17/2007 1:50:54 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: goldstategop

You’d think the ‘chaining of doors from the inside’ would tip them off that it was premeditated, but the msm is all about the guns.


77 posted on 04/17/2007 1:52:32 PM PDT by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: msg-84
Here you go:

http://www.nhskip.com/

I’ve purchased two hand guns at Skips. A Ruger .45 and a S&W .40, both with a free box of ammo.

Come on up.

78 posted on 04/17/2007 1:53:31 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Myrddin

Yes very well planned. Even had the chains he used to bar the doors.


79 posted on 04/17/2007 1:54:20 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And the delay in official identification suggests something too about the MSM and the officials in charge.

It suggests to me that VT is trying to figure out how they're going to manage all the bad PR and lawsuits when the public discovers that the university knew that Cho was a known problem and they did nothing about it. For starters, I read that Cho had set fire to his dorm room twice.

80 posted on 04/17/2007 1:54:49 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: chaos_5

It should be a law that you have to be a US citizen to purchase a gun. Don’t look for the MSM and the gun-control lobby to mention this.


81 posted on 04/17/2007 1:55:51 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: M203M4
Not in NYC unless you are 21+ though...feel safer?

You have got to be kidding?

82 posted on 04/17/2007 1:56:53 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: RSmithOpt

I agree. Something is not what it appears to be. The media are useless at truth. Leaks will probably be the source of how we get at the truth.

LLS


83 posted on 04/17/2007 1:59:03 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: willi76

“And you could kill 32 people with all those box cutters?”

A few Muslims managed to kill 3,000 using box cutters. Get your head out of your butt.


84 posted on 04/17/2007 2:00:34 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: MrB

$500 with night sights (tritium illuminated) around here.
Add the cartridges and tax and that’s about right.


85 posted on 04/17/2007 2:08:10 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: MrB
Second question - why did the perp file off the serials? Because he wasn't aware that acid etching reveals filed off serial numbers?

To relly get rid of them you need a metal stamp.

86 posted on 04/17/2007 2:10:37 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Nope, not kidding at all:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1814546/posts

The NYC law was introduced in 1995 to require age 18 for purchase. In 1998, the Mayor signed Local Law 22, which raised the legal age to purchase box cutters from 18 to 21 and expanded the ban on box cutter possession to any public place.

“To report a store in violation of the City’s box cutter law, consumers can notify the Department of Consumer Affairs by calling its Consumer Hotline at 212-487-4444 or 718-286-2990 or by visiting the DCA website at http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/consumers .”


87 posted on 04/17/2007 2:11:47 PM PDT by M203M4 (Constitutional Republic has a nice ring to it - alas, it's incompatible with the communist manifesto)
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To: corlorde
Any talk yet of the anti depression medicine he was alleged to be on, and the doctor who saw him for depression?

Why is it, that I'm not surprised? I suppose that it makes sense that whackjobs tend to be on medication, but I can't think of a single shooter like this who wasn't

88 posted on 04/17/2007 2:25:38 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: willi76
And you could kill 32 people with all those box cutters?

eyep...and at one time..you could bring down a 747 and two skyscrapers

89 posted on 04/17/2007 2:25:50 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Doogle

737


90 posted on 04/17/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Doogle
This was no spur of the moment crime

What was the date his girlfriend broke off the relationship?

91 posted on 04/17/2007 2:44:35 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
What was the date his girlfriend broke off the relationship?

well, listening to a roommate of the girl who was killed early on...she said something to the effect, that she didn't even know there was a relationship. Now if that was her roommate...I think it was an excuse dreamed up by the MSM...sooooooooooo

92 posted on 04/17/2007 2:49:18 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: M203M4

You really have to be 21 to buy a box cutter in NYC?

What about all of those NYU kids who have to move out of the dorms. Must be rough going for them,


93 posted on 04/17/2007 3:27:55 PM PDT by DemEater
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To: MrB

Ah, a whiff of common sense.

To elaborate -

If you are here legally, as a ‘resident’ should you be denied the ‘God Given’ RIGHT to ‘keep and bear arms’ as set forth by a huge group of ‘resident aliens’ (founding fathers)?

No. I don’t care who shoots a bad guy.

(Sometimes I chuckle when they shoot each other.)


94 posted on 04/17/2007 4:36:51 PM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: West Texas Chuck

No, if he was ‘talented with a handgun’ he would not have done what he did.

Every person that I know who is truly ‘talented with a handgun’ is also very (very) responsible.

Comes with the territory.


95 posted on 04/17/2007 4:37:04 PM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: Truth29

Do you mean to say that a Virginia CCW card holder can purchase more than one handgun per month? If so, I’ve been lax. I applied for a permit early in the morning of the first day they started that, and have had one ever since.


96 posted on 04/17/2007 8:10:55 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: showme_the_Glory

“He was or wasn’t present?”

Makes no diffeence. If Cho’s DL number and CIS “A number” were on the app then obviously he produced them (the store completes the federal and state paperwork, not the buyer).


97 posted on 04/17/2007 11:58:03 PM PDT by angkor
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To: LibLieSlayer
As I have mentioned earlier here at FR. The authorities knew who this guy was by 1 pm the day of the carnage if the gun receipt story is the truth. It has been so hush hush until the next day after 9 am (except on FR) as to his identity as if almost (my complete speculation) the authorities had to conspire as to what exact truths needed to come out to the press ASAP, and then, 'the troubled student' scenario, which may be the absolute truth, but I seriously doubt that's all of it by any means.

Another item too. Notice how it took so long for any students to come forward as to knowing the gunman? Living on campus and no one (students) actually knew the guy it seems. If the truth, then a sad statement for that college community.

Just a lot of questions still stirring around in my head. Have you seen any info on whol his parents are (what they do)?

98 posted on 04/18/2007 4:54:52 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Myrddin

Are you sure that it was a Glock model 17?

I haven’t seen that reported yet.


99 posted on 04/18/2007 6:10:36 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: RSmithOpt
Since you posted this, we have had a Swat team descend on the building right across the street from where the murders took place (Norris Hall). After making students take cover in bushes and behind cars, they announced “suspicious activity, non-event”. Move along people... nothing to see here. I am sick of lying dims and their minions... the press!

LLS

100 posted on 04/18/2007 6:36:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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