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Massacre Gun: $571 for 9 mm Glock and 50 Bullets at Roanoke Store
ABC News ^ | 4/17/07

Posted on 04/17/2007 12:33:08 PM PDT by areafiftyone

Seung-Hui Cho bought his first gun, a 9mm handgun, on March 13 at a Roanoke, Va. gun store, the owner tells ABC News.

John Markell, the owner of Roanoke Firearms, said today that he had been interviewed by three agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms about Cho's purchase of a Glock 9 mm handgun.

"I feel terrible about this," Markell told ABC News at his store today, which is part gun shop, part pawn shop on the outskirts of Roanoke.

Markell said Cho's gun and a box of 50 bullets cost $571. He said Cho paid by check and left the store with the gun.

Markell said Cho was "a clean-cut college kid," and the transaction was entirely legal under Virginia law. "He was as cordial as could be, and there was nothing unusual in his manner that suggested any thing wrong," Markell said.

Markell said he was not present when Cho bought the gun, but that he had produced a state driver's license and an immigration card.

Law enforcement officials tell ABC News Cho bought his second weapon, a .22 caliber handgun, also in Virginia, within the last week.

"This was no spur of the moment crime. He's been thinking about this since at least the time he bought the first gun," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant.

Under Virginia law, state residents can only buy one handgun in any 30-day period, suggesting Cho bought his second weapon after April 13 or sometime over the weekend.

"He clearly spent some time figuring out how he was going to take care of business once classes began on Monday morning," said Garrett.

The date of the first gun purchase will likely serve as the time of "some triggering mechanism that was very important" to Cho said Garrett, an expert on profiling murderers.


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1 posted on 04/17/2007 12:33:09 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

The MSM off and running........typically


2 posted on 04/17/2007 12:35:29 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: areafiftyone
Markell said Cho was "a clean-cut college kid," and the transaction was entirely legal under Virginia law. "He was as cordial as could be, and there was nothing unusual in his manner that suggested any thing wrong," Markell said. Markell said he was not present when Cho bought the gun, but that he had produced a state driver's license and an immigration card.

He was or wasn't present?

3 posted on 04/17/2007 12:35:53 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: areafiftyone

That was about what McVeigh spent...but he stole some stuff also.


4 posted on 04/17/2007 12:36:14 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Doogle

Yeah , ABC really seems to be leading the charge this time around .


5 posted on 04/17/2007 12:36:31 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Is Romney the next Reagan ? ....Perhaps ,... We shall see ...)
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To: areafiftyone
Clueless Drive by/MSM idiots. They know nothing about guns and nothing about human nature. Yet they present themselvces as an authority on both!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 04/17/2007 12:36:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: areafiftyone

OK, so the gun was purchased legally over a month ago.

First question - what gun control law would have kept this guy from getting it without keeping someone with no criminal intent from getting it?

Second question - why did the perp file off the serials? You know the gun shop didn’t sell it that way!


7 posted on 04/17/2007 12:36:53 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: areafiftyone

Will we hear of how, from whom, and for how much someone bought a vehicle later used in a multiple-fatality car wreck? (And if not, why not?)


8 posted on 04/17/2007 12:37:07 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: showme_the_Glory
Markell said he was not present when Cho bought the gun, but that he had produced a state driver's license and an immigration card.

I thought you had to be a Citizen to purchase a firearm? Isn't that a Federal Law?

9 posted on 04/17/2007 12:37:48 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: MrB
why did the perp file off the serials?

Because he was a kook.

10 posted on 04/17/2007 12:38:40 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: chaos_5

Seriously, why should an immigrant be prevented from purchasing and owning (and carrying) the means to protect themselves?


11 posted on 04/17/2007 12:38:45 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: areafiftyone

I want to know where Mohammed Atta bought his Koran. I want to know where Andrea Yates bought the bathtub she drowned her kids in. Where did Cary Stayner buy the knife he murdered four women with?


12 posted on 04/17/2007 12:38:57 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: areafiftyone
Did anyone see a Glock 9mm running around the Campus shooting people at random? Kind of like the SUV that goes berserk and kills the driver inside!
13 posted on 04/17/2007 12:39:00 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: showme_the_Glory

This guy posts to a blog which was linked last night on Free Republic. I was a little skepitical then but he said CHO bought a Glock 9mm and a Walther p22, that the receipt for the glock was found on him, and that he had a video camera system and had burned a copy of the pic of Cho buying the weapon and given it to ATF agents.


14 posted on 04/17/2007 12:39:15 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: MrB
No laws were broken. The future killer even complied with Virginia's stupid one gun a month buy law! I would like liberals to explain to me how their gun control laws would have stopped him. They didn't!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 04/17/2007 12:40:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: chaos_5

No, Resident Aliens can buy guns. There is an option for checking that on the federal form. You then have to provide your card information.


16 posted on 04/17/2007 12:40:12 PM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: Neu Pragmatist

All this info was posted on Free Rep last night via a link to ‘Black Rifles blog’ I think it was called that. If a reported had been monitoring FR last night about 8 pm, he could have scooped everone with the name of the shooter which the store owner said was CHO


17 posted on 04/17/2007 12:40:49 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: NorthFlaRebel

OK, thanks. I stand corrected. =o)


18 posted on 04/17/2007 12:41:17 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: areafiftyone

Well, I first heard the information about the Roanoke store and the name Cho here on Free Republic yesterday (via black-rifles.com), though it hadn’t been confirmed.


19 posted on 04/17/2007 12:41:28 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: dead

I want to congratulate all the Freepers out there. This entire story was out here on Free Republic last night on one of the story threads. Even the name of the shooter was on Free Republic last night, before he was officially identified. Now ABC is confirming this story about him buying the weapons and ammunition.

Free Republic can be a site with breaking news. Perhaps the MSM wanted to hold back this aspect of the story for some reason. And the delay in official identification suggests something too about the MSM and the officials in charge.


20 posted on 04/17/2007 12:41:37 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: P-40

$571.00 could purchase 571 box cutters too.


21 posted on 04/17/2007 12:41:54 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: areafiftyone
Any talk yet of the anti depression medicine he was alleged to be on, and the doctor who saw him for depression?
22 posted on 04/17/2007 12:42:19 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: chaos_5

NO! Only legal resident of US and resident of Virginia. The store owner said he presented green car, check book and DL when he bought the gun in march


23 posted on 04/17/2007 12:42:30 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: chaos_5
I thought you had to be a Citizen to purchase a firearm? Isn't that a Federal Law?

A non-citizen can purchase a firearm from a federally licensed firerams dealer if they have been a resident of their state for 90 days...That's federal law.
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24 posted on 04/17/2007 12:43:44 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: areafiftyone

March 13 a week before Iranian New Year began.


25 posted on 04/17/2007 12:45:01 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: milwguy

I wasn’t complimenting ABC for good reporting, I meant that they are leading the anti-gun onslaught this time around .


26 posted on 04/17/2007 12:45:46 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (Is Romney the next Reagan ? ....Perhaps ,... We shall see ...)
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To: corlorde

Yeah, how much did he pay for the anti-depressants?

I haven’t priced a G19 or G17 lately, doesn’t $571 seem a little high? I was thinking they were around $350-400.


27 posted on 04/17/2007 12:45:50 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Doogle
$571.00 could purchase 571 box cutters too.

Not in NYC unless you are 21+ though...feel safer?

28 posted on 04/17/2007 12:46:30 PM PDT by M203M4 (Constitutional Republic has a nice ring to it - alas, it's incompatible with the communist manifesto)
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To: areafiftyone
"I feel terrible about this," Markell told ABC News at his store today, which is part gun shop, part pawn shop on the outskirts of Roanoke.

Why? Dude, it's not your fault that this happened. There's no need for a guilty conscience.

No one can predict what someone's going to do.

29 posted on 04/17/2007 12:47:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: areafiftyone

He bought it on March 13th, so “cool-down” periods are clearly meaningless.


30 posted on 04/17/2007 12:47:39 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: showme_the_Glory
Markell said Cho was "a clean-cut college kid," and the transaction was entirely legal under Virginia law. "He was as cordial as could be, and there was nothing unusual in his manner that suggested any thing wrong," Markell said. Markell said he was not present when Cho bought the gun, but that he had produced a state driver's license and an immigration card.

Stumped me too! Perhaps the day the killer enquired about a weapon, and the day he purchased it, were different.

31 posted on 04/17/2007 12:47:48 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: areafiftyone

“Under Virginia law, state residents can only buy one handgun in any 30-day period, suggesting Cho bought his second weapon after April 13 or sometime over the weekend.”

Hey, Fast Eddie Rendell, Take Note!!!

The “one gun a month” law you think is a panacea to gun violence, worked really, really good here! Right?!


32 posted on 04/17/2007 12:48:45 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Definitely not this gun shop owner’s fault. The media is making more of it and probably hounding him!


33 posted on 04/17/2007 12:48:53 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

wait.. he only had 50 bullets?
kid was a pretty darn good shot.


34 posted on 04/17/2007 12:49:08 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: MrB

I was looking for a Ruger this past weekend and the Glocks were all over $500. Those prices sound about right.


35 posted on 04/17/2007 12:50:51 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: griswold3
March 13 a week before Iranian New Year began.

The Iranian New Year isn't the Islamic New Year. It is the remnant of the old Indo-Aryan spring festival. In India, the Hindus had their New Year around the same time.

36 posted on 04/17/2007 12:51:01 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: chaos_5
"I thought you had to be a Citizen to purchase a firearm? Isn't that a Federal Law?"

It is my understanding that a resident alien is allowed to purchase firearms. The question I have is what about the waiting period for the background check. They think he may have purchased the other gun over the weekend??? Something isn't right.

37 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:51 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: MrB; dead

He may have filed off the serial numbers because he initially may have intended to get away after shooting the woman. Maybe he changed his mind the same day (there was a huge lag between the first shooting and the massacre), maybe in the days preceding.


38 posted on 04/17/2007 12:53:09 PM PDT by DemEater
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To: griswold3

“March 13 a week before Iranian New Year began.”

Is this sarcasm? I hope so.


39 posted on 04/17/2007 12:54:51 PM PDT by DemEater
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To: absolootezer0

This is what amazes me. How does one person shoot 50 people, even if they are all in a contained area.

That’s the kind of shooting Special Ops guys would be proud of. Man, that little twerp was talented with a handgun.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 12:54:59 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: MrB
I haven’t priced a G19 or G17 lately, doesn’t $571 seem a little high? I was thinking they were around $350-400.

The article states that the ammo is also included in that price.

The price of a new Glock 9mm (excluding the Glock 34) averages about $550.

Knowing that a box of 9mm ammo can range from $7-$20 depending on quality, and not knowing what VA taxes are applicable, I'd say the price sounds about right.
41 posted on 04/17/2007 12:55:12 PM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: MrB
No, brand new Glocks can be pricey. Even used, they are high. The prices sound close to what I’ve seen.
42 posted on 04/17/2007 12:55:32 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: msg-84

If you buy a handgun around where I live, the shop owner will throw in a free box of ammo.


43 posted on 04/17/2007 12:56:29 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

‘The question I have is what about the waiting period for the background check. They think he may have purchased the other gun over the weekend??? Something isn’t right.’

Instant check no waiting. He bought another gun over the weekend. It was right and legal.


44 posted on 04/17/2007 12:57:27 PM PDT by xone
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To: M203M4
Not in NYC unless you are 21+ though...feel safer?

oh yea

45 posted on 04/17/2007 12:57:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: xone

Been years since I bought a handgun and back then I had to wait for 3 days or so. But I did buy a new rifle last year and took it immediately. Thanks for the info.


46 posted on 04/17/2007 12:59:33 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: West Texas Chuck
Man, that little twerp was talented with a handgun.

...not so, he was good at taking his time shooting 30 something UNARMED people

47 posted on 04/17/2007 1:00:21 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Virginia has an “instant” criminal background check, assuming the system is up and operational. I don’t think I’ve ever had to wait more than about 1/2 hour or so, and that’s on a weekend at a gun show when the system can be pretty busy, or at least the link from the gun show building to whatever system is being used. There is no formal waiting period in VA.

Now, you can’t purchase more than one handgun in a 30 day period unless you apply for a collector permit/waiver, as one might when purchasing a collection or matched set. The quantity of rifles is not limited.


48 posted on 04/17/2007 1:00:26 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Not really. 50 people in an small enclosed space? Fairly easy, alas.

For a demonstration, go watch an indoor paintball match.


49 posted on 04/17/2007 1:02:21 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MrB
Seriously, why should an immigrant be prevented from purchasing and owning (and carrying) the means to protect themselves?

First off there is a difference between a Citizen and a Legal Alien, both can be an immigrant. The reason I thought that a legal alien could not own a fire arm had to do with myself, I am an immigrant and a naturalized citizen. I was (mistakenly) under the impression that I could not buy/own a fire arm as a legal resident. I waited until I was a citizen before purchasing my rifle.

I didn't say legal residents should not be allowed to buy a fire arm, I just thought you cold not. Thats all, I was wrong. But, perhaps, like the right to vote, we should limit the right to firearms to Citizens. After all, felons cant vote or have firearms even if they are natural born citizens.

50 posted on 04/17/2007 1:03:39 PM PDT by chaos_5
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