Skip to comments.Gunman's writings were disturbing (Eagle Scout saves his life by applying a tourniquet from a cord)
Posted on 04/17/2007 2:22:21 PM PDT by Coleus
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On the other hand, I know a family just like his in our neighborhood. Older sister graduates with honors, asian family, own a cleaning business and a credit to the American dream. They love America and express their pride in their adopted nation in modest forms frequently.
Can’t disagree with that.
Must have been so. He had them cornered and surprised. Still... remarkable quantity. If only some students or professors or security people were armed. These days, especially in New York, if we go armed, we’re considered potential terrorists. So, we’re either victims or villians.
After on again off again stranged and strained relationship with a very forward Jewish girl, he falls back on Islamic influences from Centerville and of course, the University. After lashing out at girl and killing RA in wrong place at wrong time, moves on to “axe the idols” .....
He also hated McDonalds or what it stood for in his head. McDonalds = USA?
I might add that there is a good chance he was raised RC, as many Koreans are of that faith. Classic college rebellion - go up against one’s familial faith.
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling..."
Minister: "He was a loner, and a quiet young man. He attended church, and Sunday School. I remember he was always very polite."
Ted Koppel: "Do you believe he killed Buckwheat?"
Minister: "Oh, yes. Definitely. Thats all he talked about."
” Rosie’s “Blame Bush” rant from her show Rosie’s View on his radio program today.”
Making George Bush responsible for every person in this country is surreal and depraved.
She needs to seek counseling immediately.
I think most of his victims were in a single classroom, also. It was like shooting fish in a barrel; I don’t think any great skill was involved.
I wondered why he wasn’t kicked out of school after he set the dorm room on fire.
“Stories of heroism and ingenuity emerged Tuesday. Liviu Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was killed after he was said to have protected his students’ lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the gunman.”
It was reported on Fox Cable News that he had been in a Nazi concentration camp.
It's hard to believe an adult, a college student, wrote this garbage. It tells you much about our educational system that this guy was allowed to stay at Va Tech.
About the only “saving grace” ( and I am almost hesitant to use the term) to come from this whole sad, tragic episode, is that the perp successfully killed himself. We are at least spared our legal system run amok..the profiling..the psychobabble.. the attempts to get him declared insane..”his parents owned a dry cleaners..He worked there as a kid. Obviously the chemicals scrambled his brain. Sue Dow”....and of course, the banal statements that capital punishment is wrong..
Who was paying for this guy’s tuition, fees, and books, let alone his living expenses? I have been skimming all the material about him pretty fast and perhaps I just missed it.
He did attempt arson, didn't he? Why was he not charged with that? A student at my alma mater tried to set up a fire in dorm room and was charged with arson.
My step mom and step brother are Korean. My step brother was born here and is a great kid.
It never even occured to me to involve them in this in any way shape or form.
All I know is she takes great care of my Dad. And I love her and my step brother. They also love me.
If they are like the parents of many friends of mine, it would be hard to describe exactly how disappointing this loser must have been to them even before this final act of insanity.
Elementary, my dear Watson.
What about the dog that didn't bark?
What about the kids that didn't charge the killer in their midst? There are a lot of questions that I don't have the brainpower to even ask.
I don't see any evidence of anti-Catholicism, or any other coherent thought process. His plays are an eclectic mishmash of ideas picked up from mass media and trashy popular entertainment. His thought processes were extremely immature for someone of his age.
I don’t know the details of the arson cases, so I may well stand corrected on my previous post. Did the university actually investigate and determine that this jack@ss had deliberately set his dorm room on fire?
“He apparently had scrawled the words “ISMAIL AX” on the inside of one arm, according to the Chicago Tribune, which may be a reference to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham.”
From this site: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266523,00.html
Ismail ax, or more correctly Ismail’s axe, (after all he was a failing English major), refers to a Koran passage. I gotta think that this guy was was on a jihad.
“News reports said that he may have been taking medication for depression”
I think that's just typical human psychology. Who wants to be the first one to get up and charge, and be a sure victim? Also, there was no time for the victims to communicate, to organize a resistance, as apparently there was with the airplane highjacked over Pa..
I was reading an account of the capture of John Wilkes Booth. He was cornered alone in a barn by some 26 Federal troops who certainly had a better chance than the students trapped in a classroom with this killer. However, because Booth was heavily armed, no one wanted to make a charge into the barn.
Two of his "plays" are posted on AOL (link here, along with comments of fellow student)
It is so easy to hope for a simple explantion, for if there is a simple explanation, ergo there must be a simple preventative.
It is sort of like the difference between a mental patient and a neurotic. You can just tell the mental patient is more then a little off and can't quite put your finger always on why. One thrives professionally and the other in an institution. But there is no doubt which one is which and this was true of his piece.
Maybe it is intuitive on my behalf. But the obscure "Honey Poo let's go do it doggy style like you like," rang sick, sick, non-writer play to me. It was too out of the blue even for the play. (It didn't feel like parody or anything like any other writer technique.) The chainsaw or whatever out of the blue by the mom in the play exceeded the obscurity of American Psycho (which I loved by the way.). At least groundwork was laid for the main character picking up a chain saw in AP, here an obscure side character who is not even raging picks it up. There we are again the thin line crossed. This all leads to no meaninfl resolution, just death.
Whacked, whacked, whacked. If I was a student and reading his work, combined with the personality type described I would go to admin. But you know what they say about hindsight. I think the admin failed miserably on many counts.
Refused to release his writings because of PRIVAXY laws? What privacy? He is DEAD.....
Others have released 2 of his plays—see link at #78
Because the last place on earth you can put a stop to madness is on a college campus. That is the actual truth. You would never believe some of the behavior students exhibited in classes I taught - and all of it was considered protected speech.
He went into classrooms where there were a lot of kids. It wouldn't take any marksmanship to hit a lot of people as he was shooting.
Come to your own conclusion about “Ismail Ax”
I'd bet 5 to 1 they won't follow this line of inquiry. Much easier to blame Prozac and be done with it.
Oh yeah, time to confiscate all guns. Evil, doncha know!
Where’d you get the reference to the Jewish girl. Just curious.
As I recall, Centreville is a pretty nice area.
To think that this was not orchestrated is naive. You just don’t go to a college like VA tech, plan to kill a lot of people on a whim or due to depression, use of drugs, personal problem at home, etc.......You hit a college campus, that is less likely to ever see this kind of violence....you obtain the ammo necessary, a college campus is almost a guarantee to effect the entire US and the world due to the fact that people from all over attend the colleges. Shoot people in a mall and it’s probably going to be mostly locals that get it.
It didn’t take the media long to bring in the Gun control card...... This was the reason for the shooting in the first place. It’s orchestrated, well planned and the issues already identified....
There will be more.........few are seeing the actual agenda being played. There are some, however, that are starting to wake up to what the folks behind the scenes is up to........It’s not guns that kill people, it’s people that kill people. The bad guys will always get the weapons. Their desire to kill is there no matter what......
The propoents of the New World Order are the most sinister that one can imagine. I don’t like Rosey O’Donnell nor Rivera....however; on this occasion, they are correct and this chaps my jaws to have to agree with both of them.
I have mentioned this before.....here is a segment of the Iron Mountain Report in the late 60’s. It set the stage for the next 40 years....Plus....
Introduction By Leonard C. Lewin
Report Dated March 1966
Article Dated June 1967
REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN ON THE POSSIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE
WITH INTRODUCTORY MATERIAL BY LEONARD C. LEWIN
“A BOOK THAT SHOOK THE WHITE HOUSE.”
—US. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT
Report from Iron Mountain unveils a hitherto top-secret report of a government commission that was requested to explore the consequences of lasting peace on American society. The shocking results of the study, as revealed in this report, led the government to conceal the existence of the commission—they had found that, among other things, peace may never be possible; that even if it were, it would probably be un-desirable, that “defending the national interest” is not the real purpose of war; that war is necessary; that war deaths should be planned and budgeted. REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN tells the story of how the project was formed, how it operated, What happened to it. It includes the complete verbatim text of the commission’s hitherto classified report.
NOTE: This report was released to the public by one participant who thought that it needed to be released after LBJ classified it.
NOTE: Below were the summations and conclusions.......
Substitutes for the Functions of War: Models
The following substitute institutions, among others, have been proposed for consideration as replacements for the nonmilitary functions of war. That they may not have been originally set forth for that purpose does not preclude or invalidate their possible application here.
1. Economic. a) A comprehensive social-welfare program, directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life. b) A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets. c) A permanent, ritualized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variants of such a system.
a. Political. a) An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force. b) An established and recognized extraterrestrial menace. c) Massive global environmental pollution. d) Fictitious alternate enemies.
3. Sociological: Control function. a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model. a) A modern sophisticated form of slavery. Motivational function. a)Intensified environmental pollution. b) New religions or other mythologies. c) Socially oriented blood games. d) Combination forms.
4. Ecological. A comprehensive welfare program, or a master program of eugenic control.
5. Cultural. No replacement institution offered. Scientific. The secondary requirements of the space research, social welfare, and/or eugenics programs.
Norman Dodd, a former U.S. Congressman confirmed that war was the most effective means for controlling people. He testified that he was invited to study the minutes of The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. . [Concoby, Robert; & Nicol, David; Heres the Proof 1994; p 103]
Quoted the following:
Quote from another source entirely .
[Concoby, Robert; & Nicol, David; Heres the Proof 1994; p 103]
1909 Meeting of The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, quoted from the minutes of the meeting. The trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of a single people, is there any means more efficient than war
. They discussed this question
for a year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war?
[Written by former U.S. Congressman Norman Dodd, testified that he was invited to study the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: Report from Iron Mountain, New York , Dell Pub., 1967].
It is criminal that the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, should be desiring to involve the United States in a war. Its clear that there is a hidden agenda, motivated not by peace but by financial gain. [Concoby, Robert; & Nicol, David; Heres the Proof 1994; p 103]
As Secretary Bryan had anticipated, the large banking interests were deeply interested in the World War [World War I] because of wide opportunities for large profits Charles Callan Tansill quoting; William Jennings Bryan. [Charles Callan Tansill, America Goes to War, Boston , Little, Brown, 1938
ARTICLE FOLLOWS TODAY: 17 April 07
World reacts to U.S. shooting
By PAISLEY DODDS2 hours, 52 minutes ago
The deadly university rampage in Virginia that killed 33 people sent shock waves around the world Tuesday with newspapers and talk shows delving into the American psyche and raising questions about lax gun controls in the United States.
The gun control debate echoed across Europe, which has some of the toughest gun laws in the world.
Prime Minister Tony Blair offered his condolences to the victims’ families.
“I would like to express on behalf of Britain and the British people our profound sadness at what has happened and to send the American people and most especially, of course, the families of the victims, our sympathy and our prayers,” Blair said.
Two professors from India and Israel were among the dead at the Virginia Tech shooting, the deadliest in U.S. history.
Liviu Librescu, 75, an engineering science and mathematics lecturer tried to stop the gunman from entering his classroom by blocking the door before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday from Tel Aviv, Israel.
“My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee,” Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview of his father, who immigrated to Israel from Romania, and then moved to Virginia for his sabbatical.
A 51-year-old Indian-born lecturer in the engineering department was also among the dead, the man’s brother told Indian media.
Most expressed shock at the shooting but few said they were surprised criticizing the availability of guns in the U.S., lax gun controls and the number of Americans who cling to the constitutional right that allows them to bear arms.
“The Queen was shocked and saddened to hear of the news of the shooting in Virginia,” Buckingham Palace said. Queen Elizabeth and her husband, Prince Philip, are scheduled to visit Virginia May 3-4.
British Home Office Minister, Tony McNulty, earned a masters degree in political science at Virginia Tech in 1982.
“I think if this does prompt a serious and reflective debate on gun issues and gun law in the states then some good may come from this woeful tragedy,” McNulty said.
Many families expressed relief when they heard their children were safe. Some were still waiting for news.
“He sounded OK. I think they had been very shocked all day struggling to get in touch with their friends,” Charles Barnwell of Birmingham, England, whose son George, 20, was locked in his dormitory with eight friends during the shooting.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard said the shooting underscored the problems of a U.S. “gun culture.”
Howard staked his political leadership on pushing through tough laws on gun ownership in Australia after a lone gunman went on one of the world’s deadliest killing sprees 11 years ago in his country.
“We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country,” he said.
The Times of London ran an editorial delving into the American psyche and the weak gun laws across the country.
“Why, we ask, do Americans continue to tolerate gun laws and a culture that seems to condemn thousands of innocents to death every year, when presumably, tougher restrictions, such as those in force in European countries, could at least reduce the number?”
Gun crime is extremely rare in Britain, and handguns are completely illegal. The ban is so strictly enforced that Britain’s Olympic pistol shooting team is barred from practicing in its own country.
Britain’s 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
“What exactly triggered the massacre in Virginia is unclear but the fundamental reason is often the perpetrator’s psychological problems in combination with access to weapons,” Swedish daily Goteborgs-Posten commented.
The shooting drew intense coverage by media in China, in part because the school has a relatively large Chinese student body and because U.S. reports said the gunman may have been Chinese or Asian.
Private citizens are forbidden from owning guns in China.
“Why are there were so many shooting incidents in American schools and universities?” said a comment posted on the popular Internet portal Sohu.com. “People should think why an American-educated student would take revenge against America?”
Yuan Peng, an American studies expert, was quoted by state-run China Daily as saying the shooting illustrated America’s problems with gun control and a lack of security at American universities.
“This incident reflects the problem of gun control in America,” said Yuan, from the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, a Beijing-based think tank.
Only 7 percent of the more than 26,000 students at Virginia Tech are foreign, according to the school web site. But Chinese undergraduate and graduate students comprise nearly a third of that. There are about 600 or so students and teachers and their family members from China at the school, said Xue, the Chinese student union president.
In Italy, leading daily Corriere della Sera’s ran an opinion piece entitled “Guns at the Supermarket” a critical view of the U.S. gun lobby and the ease with which guns can be purchased.
“The latest attack on a U.S. campus will shake up America, maybe it will provoke more vigorous reactions than in the past, but it won’t change the culture of a country that has the notion of self-defense imprinted on its DNA and which considers the right of having guns inalienable,” Corriere wrote in its front-page story.
In Italy, there are three types of licenses for gun ownership: for personal safety, target practice and skeet shooting, and hunting. Authorization is granted by the police. To obtain a gun for personal safety, the owner must be an adult and have a “valid” reason.
Several Italian graduate students at Virginia Tech recounted how they barricaded themselves inside a geology department building not far from the scene of the shooting.
Associated Press Writers Charles Hutzler, Alexandru Alexe, Raphael Satter, Robert Barr, Karl Ritter, Nicole Winfield and Gavin Rabinowitz contributed to this report.
VA Tech official praised defeat of student self-defense proposal in 2006
April 16, 2007
A Virginia Tech official in 2006 praised the defeat of a proposal to allow students with state-issued concealed handgun permits to carry their handguns on college campuses in Virginia. At least 30 unarmed students were killed on the VA Tech campus Monday morning by a single gunman.
On TV I saw a presser who said the local police had no knowledge that Cho had done that. - tom
He was just plain nuts. Just like anyone else who kills with no remorse, and for no reason. Something cracked, somewhere.
And yes, I said a prayer for him, and his family.
nice find.. inquiring minds... thanks for the smoking gun
I just read it... now thats troubled oedipus complex stuff where he imagines a birth canal is an anus... and he was stalking women on campus huh????
FOOL, he's DEAD and killed 30 students ... screw the privacy laws.
My God academics are idiots.
“Report From Iron Mountain” - I have a copy, had it for years. When I recently heard it mentioned, I decided to read it thinking “it’s gotta be a scam.”; so I went ahead plowed through it, it’s fairly short.
It’s a complete and utter forgery and I was surprised anyone took it seriously at the time, but then it was the ‘60’s. It has taken on a more humorous turn in recent years, because of alleged “copyright” issues with the publisher and internet folks who have published it online.
I believe he did
“I cant understand how this disturbed individual was able to wound fifty people and kill thirty of them with a handgun. “
Apparently you have not heard any of the accounts. He had people trapped in an enclosed area. They were totally submissive (thanks to liberal ‘feel good’ indoctrination). He was very methodical in his work, and was taking 2-10 seconds or more between shots in order to incur maximum damage.
Presuming they were normal sized classrooms, he would have been no farther than 20-25 feet from anyone.
I venture that had any one or two individuals taken it upon themselves to wait until he was looking away and then screamed like they were possesed and rushed the little shit, they could have taken him down.
Of course, if they were allowed CC, it would never have happened to this extent.
Also not mentioned anywhere is the possibility he is a failed engineer.
Did he flunk out of engineering before becoming an english major?