Posted on 04/17/2007 3:50:27 PM PDT by dangus
I read the following from Little Green Footballs:
"Apparently, South Korean student Seung Hui Cho signed his note, “Ismail Ax,” and also wrote those words on his arm. All other signs right now point to this being a deranged individual with a history of odd behavior (not a “sudden jihadi”), but this is very curious."
Hotair.com suggests that he meant only to refer to a story by an author named Ishmael:
You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.
And its widely reported that Cho's writings freaked out one of his English professors. Smoking Gun had one on-line. I read it.
What immidiately stood out was some of the strange language Cho's character used: All of the characters have typically American names, yet "John" uses some strange epithets. The story is basically about a step-son's unexplained rage at a step-father whom he accuses of killing his real father, and (falsely), of molesting him. The father a "fat piece of pork," and "McPork." (The latter is a mockery of his unusual, and unexplained, last name, McBeef.)
It's only weak evidence, I know, but it's just so straaaange...
“by an author named” should be “with a character named”
Drats,
“The father a “fat piece of pork,” and “McPork.””
should read
“The father IS CALLED a “fat piece of pork,” and “McPork.”
I think, from all that I’ve seen, that he was simply mentally ill.
Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:
Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders
From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:
President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.
Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:
As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .
This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:
Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.
Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.
The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.
So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said
ISMAIL AK
and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said
ISMAIL AX
That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism or to Cooper's story.
This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.
You're only adding evidence to support the islam theory.
I think he was more of a wannabe but the result is the same.
I’m not presuming he was Muslim; I tried to emphasize that the hints were minor, and I included the Little Green Football’s characterization that he was probably simply nuts. But I didn’t think the epiphets in his play should go overlooked.
If he was mentally ill, he was a mental case exercising militancy, who chained doors and did everthing he could to maximize casualties.
Bit too early to speculate on his possible motives. That said, I find the Muslim connection to be a remote possibility.
Of course, my "Ak" theory depends on whether the "K" could have looked like an "X"--imagine writing a "K" on your own arm and the one line being bumped or bent a bit.
Another freeper mentioned the beating of shoes - from the play. the muslim insult
I heard today on talk radio a caller said Homeland Security has this family actually from North Korea. It makes one wonder...who trained this kid? In the early reports...law enforcement said he was military trained or a former policemen.
Extremely weak evidence......and unlikely.
South Korea is not exactly a Muslim hotbed.
if his fam is from NK, that is big. Wonder what his upbringing was like?
See story on Ibraham, Ismail, and ax here, right out of Islamic lore:
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
you don’t have a kill ratio of 68% (32 dead, 15 wounded; 32 divided by 47 = 68%) without training..this guy knew what he was doing with a gun..
Sorry, logic and common sense is not allowed on these threads. Please make a note of it.
Other reports state that he was 22(?) or so and was in this country for 14 years … mighty young cops were he came from. Still a wait and see situation.
>> South Korea is not exactly a Muslim hotbed. <<
No, plainly, he would have likely converted here. He does also rant about the decadence of American society. Then there’s another recent poster who pointed out that in the Kuran, Ismael used an ax to enact revenge for godlessness. In fact, I’m wondering if that was Cooper’s reason for his character being named “Ismael.” (An early Americana reference to Ishmael as an aggrieved loner is hardly unique; compare, for instance, Herman Melville’s start of Billy Budd, “Call me Ishmael.”)
I agree.
He was a madman, he went on an evil rampage and murdered 32 people.
Did I leave anything out?
I think you about covered it.
It sounds like a senseless killing.
Sounds like a Va Senator Jim Webb novel.
Ditto. People are fishing here.
The murderer wrote a play with banging the soles of shoes as an insult, calling someone “McPork” as an insult, wrote “Ismail Ax” on his left arm, ranted against women and debauchery...then killed 32 people (including a Jewish professor who survived the Holocaust) on Holocaust Memorial Day.
I was thinking the same thing
Will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how much the lib media kisses this POS ass as compared to Don Imus. So far I`ve heard every excuse in the book for this punk; “He was depressed, he had a fight with his girlfriend, he was on medication..waaah waaah waaah” How about maybe he was just plain old racist?
Fruity as a nutcake.
I wouldn’t look much beyond that at this point.
Better to focus on opposing the liberal politicization of the aftermath. We are going to have to fight fire with fire on this one folks.
yes indeed. We need to know if he had a koran and what he was doing on his computer. We also need to see the rest of his writings.
The DC snipers were inspired by islam as well.
Given what we now know about Cho, Dr. Ismail Ak would seem to be an appropriate source of such information.
It's quite noteworthy that he was just 23 years of age. Just about all the family medical insurance policies would have cut him off at 22, so he'd be without psychiatric advice or services since that time.
There is still a place for formal commitment procedures with the government (SEE: Taxpayers) picking up the tab.
he lived here in northern VA since he was 8 years old. where would he have been trained? i am thinking he is a normal suburban VA kid gone bad.
Well if he was he was a quiet one. Usually Allah Ackbar is being yelled when they are in the orgiastic throws of their violence. I haven’t heard any reports of that so far...just that he had a smile and said nothing.
Why do we need to know these things?
That sounds like the most likely Ismail, must be a more common name than I ever knew. Still doesn’t explain the K or X, though. But Virginia clicks.
Northern VA has an incredibly large asian population, including Korean, he would not need to speak english in order to socialize. his lack of friends would be more likely a result of antisocial behavior than lack of a peer group to socialize with.
prevention
While there are many Christians among the South Koreans, many, if not most, of the immigrants to this country do so because of an underlying bias against Christianity in South Korea. So the Cho family was probably Christian (I do not know, I am just using this as a basis of formulating a postulate). Young Cho has something of a mental chemical imbalance, manifesting itself in schizophrenic paranoic behavior. The implied accusation of the parents of abuse, both sexual and emotional, may be one indication of this.
Young Cho, already suffering a chemical imbalance, begins to see Satanic symbolism in his Christian upbringing, and in an effort to reconcile his beliefs with troubling images, turns sideways to another similar-appearing religion to somehow bridge these inconsistencies he sees.
Islam seems to condone the expression of taking the lives of the "unbelievers", and when one is sufficiently paranoic, that term can include just about anybody that you think has looked at you wrongly. A very strong negative feedback, in which a loner type never seems to get out of his own head, and before you know it, a full-blown psychosis has developed. The voices are saying, make them pay, they never believed, they only deserve to die. One day, these voices flash into action, and the sunset never comes.
This report came out before they knew who the shooter was. Law enforcement was speculating...even here in Texas that’s what was being said by the same types...
I just read the play.What is with the beating of shoes?
Randall "Ismail" Royer was arrested for possesion of an AK-47.
The more I research Ismail Royer, the more I find he's a bad bad guy. Here's a FR post on him:
Portrait of a Wahhabi: My encounters with Randall Royer…and the “usual suspects.”
Lot of stuff happening in Virginia according to that post.
If Cho was affiliated with local jihadists, he may have idolized Royer.
Oh come on.
Are we next going to be told that he was seen facing Mecca on several occasions?
If the shooter was on his computer all the time, his computer should be full of his favored web sites and all kinds of telling evidence.
If the authorities suppress all this info, all they will do is start up crazed conspiracy theories.
A manchurian candidate?
Wasn’t that NK too?
some think that is a subtle ref, to insulting. Who knows?
This guy may have been inspired by the koran without praying 5 times a day to mecca.
But notice how everyone forgets the DC sniper, the utah mall shooting and NC state suv incident.
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