Source = http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/300
Take it for what it's worth, or ignore it if you like.
Posted on 04/17/2007 6:27:20 PM PDT by SBD1
He never made it to Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, but Kwon -- a Northern Virginia engineer who fled the United States nine days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks said it wasn't for lack of effort.
Kwon, 29, a South Korea-born graduate of Virginia Tech who is serving an 11-year prison sentence as a result of his guilty plea last year on federal conspiracy and weapons charges. He has emerged as the prosecution's star witness in the case against Ali Al-Timimi, an American Islamic scholar charged with recruiting soldiers for the Taliban just five days after Sept. 11.
Kwon, one of nine men convicted last year in the so-called "paintball jihad" network, told a chilling tale of the birth of an American jihad.
The holy war was conceived in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., in the dawn of the 21st century and was born at a meeting in his Fairfax, Va. apartment Sept. 16, 2001, when Kwon said he and several companions decided to heed the call of spiritual adviser Al-Timimi and to be trained to join the Taliban.
The call to holy war took Kwon, who became a U.S. citizen in August 2001, to the mountain training camps of Lashkar-e-Taiba -- known as the LET -- a group that the U.S. placed on its terrorist list in December 2001.
Kwon honed his skills with semi-automatic weapons and learned to fire a grenade launcher.
Kwon, though, said he never was able to join the Taliban. He was simply too late. The border between Afghanistan and Pakistan closed as U.S. forces took control of Afghanistan shortly before Kwon completed his training at the LET camp.
He said his mentors offered him another option: Go back to the United States and gather information for the mujahadeen, or holy warriors.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...
It has been reported that the Virginia Tech killer, Cho had the words "ismail ax" written in red across his arm.
Cho is also from South Korea like Kwon. Kwon graduated from Virginia Tech. Kwon was convicted on weapons charges. Cho had plenty of weapons and ammo. Cho lived with 7 other South Koreans. Cho shared a bedroom with another South Korean. No one living with Cho ever found the weapons or ammo or Everyone living with Cho knew about the weapons and ammo.
All just a coincidence??
SBD
I was wondering what chat and forums this guy belonged to. They say he spent lots of time online.
Maybe I’m missing something .. but I’m not seeing a connection
*shrug* Everyone needs a hobby...
Following that line of thought I came up with these:
Portrait of a Wahhabi: My encounters with Randall Royer…and the “usual suspects.”
This Royer was operating in N. Virginia. Could it be that our VT shooter was affiliated with local jihadists and idolized "Ismail" Royer?
"Ismail" Royer was affiliated with Kwon.
Looks like coincidence to me.
But still, it’s an interesting little tidbit. Might want to pull on the string a bit and see where it leads.
Interesting. I said early on it was SJS.
Random workplace/school massacres are an American custom, not a Muslim one.
Because it would give them another thing to bitch about.
It's possible that Cho ran in the same circles as Kwon in Annandale (which has numerous Korean eating/meeting places).
Because doing otherwise would require a thought process that didn’t involve ‘Bush’s fault’ or ‘This is series’.
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I am not the one who wrote “ismail ax” on the killer’s arm, he did!!
Isaac was born when Abraham was 100 years old while Ismail[Koran spelling], was born to Abraham when Abraham was 86 years old. Ismail was therefore 14 years older than Isaac. During his first 14 years Ismail was the only son of Abraham; at no time was Isaac the only son of Abraham.
Maybe he was.
Maybe he wasn’t.
Time will tell.
Some folks need a devil they can blame, one that confirms their own prejudices and fears.
Anyhing is possible .. but that doesn’t mean there is a connection
Because the majority of killers making the news ARE Muslim.
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The guy had an endless supply of ammo in a house with 7 other people and not one of them stumbled upon them or became alarmed?
btt
Abraham also had at least six other sons with Keturah and apparently other “sons of his concubines.” Gen. 25
At this point I’m just looking at things as interestingly suggestive but not conclusive.
At most, Cho was a wannabe jihadi.
They also both have/had two ears, two eyes, and a nose too! Oh my, we better alert the authorities!
And others just need to trash forum participants to feel important.
If “random” workplace/school massacres are an American custom, not a Muslim one, as you claim, then “not random, but planned workpace/school massacres are a Muslim custom”, i.e. any city in Iraq or Afghanistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Israel (Maalot), Pakistan, and Russia (Beslan).
Okay, so Muslims are better planners of killings on a large scale. Is this something to be proud of?
If so, you are crazy.
If it is jihad related, it wasn’t suddeen ... there is a lot of evidence this was premeditated, for weeks perhaps even months. It is interesting that folks want an either or, he was either nutso or he was a jihadi murderer. The perp’s on-line activities might reveal something.
One word....Belsan..
It’s always the same folks doing the trashing.
True. The muzzies get together in groups to plan their workplace/school massacres.
Maybe that's because you actually have to work and have a job in order for a "workplace" shooting to even happen. What is the Palestinian unemployment rate? See!!!
Why was Cho older than the usual college Senior?
My only comment when I saw them was that he should store the detonators in a different container...
I don’t believe in coincidence. If I did, I’d buy many more lottery tickets than I do.
These shootings were not the act of an untrained individual distraught over the end of a relationship.
You said — “It has been reported that the Virginia Tech killer, Cho had the words “ismail ax” written in red across his arm.”
That’s been reported as one of three different theories, with a *4th theory* the most prominent in the news today.
The first theory is that (1) this is related to a physics forumula (reported by another FReeper looking it up). (2) It’s been reported to be related to a Turkish psychiatrist (since Cho was supposed to be having counseling). (3) It’s related to some Islamic thing.
And what’s the *fourth* theory — well, that he’s a nutjob and a deranged individual.
Consider this — the students that knew him already knew how much of a nutjob he was. They were *already discussing* (before the time of the shootings) if Cho was going to be the “next school shooter” to come on the scene.
In fact, a year earlier, because of his disturbed thinking evident in his very disturbing writings, one of his teachers wanted to remove him from class. *AND* she even reported this to the police (and the university).
So, we have the students, the teacher, the university and the police all knowing that he was extremely disturbed and many people were already discussing that he might be the “next school shooter”...
Now, what does that tell you about this theory???
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And then you said — “Cho lived with 7 other South Koreans. Cho shared a bedroom with another South Korean.”
It’s been reported in the news that he had his own dorm room. And that he tried to set fire to *his own dorm room* twice before. He lived in another building, on campus, not too far away from his girlfriend (whom he shot).
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I really don’t know where you’re getting all this whacko information, but it’s not true according to the news reports and the witnesses that have given interviews. I think you’re looking *way too hard* for some kind of conspiracy...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Random workplace/school massacres are an American custom, not a Muslim one — yet.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/TaylorSchools10102004
Go back to sleep, sheep.
You said — “And why do FReepers just have to try and make every killer out to be a Muslim or illegal alien?”
Well, obviously too much typing on Free Republic breeds paranoia in some people. Perhaps a warning on the front page would be in order...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Because the folks in the Rotary Club don't want to kill us all.
You said — “Maybe I’m missing something .. but I’m not seeing a connection”
Well, that one is easy to explain. You’re not seeing a connection because one doesn’t exist. It’s that simple.
But, for some, drug highs come easy, even without drugs, sometimes...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “Mix-em-up the letters in ismail ak and you get: Islam KIA.”
Gawd! That’s all we need... reason through the roll of the lotto basket...
Yep, sure, that’s something that Free Republic needs to be known for.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “Because the majority of killers making the news ARE Muslim.”
Maybe over in Iraq and Afghanistan — but *not* in America, that’s for sure. You take all the murders that have happened in the last year and you tell me that they are all or mostly “Muslim perpetrators” doing the murders in the United States. I’m willing to bet you that you can’t come anywhere near even 1/4 of the way (if even that much).
Nope, Americans are pretty good at murdering their own... thank you...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Source = http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/300
Take it for what it's worth, or ignore it if you like.
You said — “The guy had an endless supply of ammo in a house with 7 other people and not one of them stumbled upon them or became alarmed?”
I don’t know where you get that. He had his own dorm room. It’s been reported that he tried to set fire to it two different times already.
Regards,
Star Traveler
We don’t like them.
I could be wrong, most people can’t hit the side of barn with a gun without practice or training, especially in a stress situation. How long did he have the gun? Had he been practicing? Did he have some kind of training? How was he able to kill 33 people and wound so many others?
You said — “At most, Cho was a wannabe jihadi.”
At most it appears that he was a *stalker*. It has been reported that he had stalked two other girls on that campus. The students who knew him and how distrubed he was, were discussing whether he was going to be the next school shooter. His teacher wante to take him out of the class (and that was a year prior). The university and the police were informed.
At the most — he was a nutjob...
Regards,
Star Traveler
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