Hm. Let's see.
Maybe because hostiles don't always come in convenient 1-5 packs?
Posted on 04/18/2007 11:36:10 AM PDT by neverdem
The largest mass shooting in U.S. history forced reluctant Democratic leaders in Congress yesterday to confront an issue that divides their party and holds considerable political peril: gun control.
Advocates of stricter gun laws, such as Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), met with Democratic leaders, determined to resurrect an issue that has been dormant since the shootings at Columbine High School near Denver in 1999. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) elicited a pledge from Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) to hold a hearing on the shootings.
"We need to stand up and do something," said McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a gunman's rampage on the Long Island Rail Road in 1993.
But Democrats on both sides of the issue were skeptical that the 33 deaths at Virginia Tech would change a political equation that has turned in the favor of gun rights advocates. Even after Columbine, no major gun-control laws passed Congress.
Since then, restrictions on guns have eased, with the 2004 expiration of President Bill Clinton's landmark assault weapons ban, passage in 2005 of legislation shielding gunmakers from lawsuits, and a 2003 measure preventing local enforcement agencies from consulting police in other states on firearms traces.
Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) boasts of a favorable rating from the National Rifle Association, which lobbies against gun control, and House Democratic leaders are in no rush to jeopardize conservative...
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"It's hard to explain why a person needs a clip with more than 10 bullets in it," said Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.).
McCarthy said she will push even more modest legislation -- a bill to bolster the federal background-check system by funding state efforts to computerize records of mental illness and criminal convictions and to forward those records to the criminal background check system...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Carnage leads to talk of allowing guns on campus
That's the angle we should have, self defense.
Great post. Pass the popcorn.
I was over at UNC Chapel Hill, one of the most liberal universities East of UC Berkeley. I spoke with a young female student about the Virginia Tech massacre. She informed me she has been practicing shooting at the firing range. Hmmm... That was a real eye opener.
Hm. Let's see.
Maybe because hostiles don't always come in convenient 1-5 packs?
That's right. You need to stand up for the Bill of Rights. You need to stand up for the rights of citizens to defend themselves, especially in NY (this could have saved your husband's life). You need to stand up and stop being a sniveling, cowardly socialist.
Is homeboy on the right, about to lay an overhand right down on Reginald Denny, drawn with a halo around his head? Or am I hallucinating?
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Yes, he is. I’m not exactly sure what to make of it. My guess is that the artist was deliberately mocking the racebaiters.
I would like Senator Durbin to explain why a law-abiding citizen owes him such an explanation in the first place.
Well, of course, Denny deliberately provoked those happy-go-lucky fellows into subduing him..../sarc
Cuz you never know when you will need eleven, Senator.
It's also hard to see why a person needs more than one pen or pencil.
OK, I just figured it out. The man with the halo around his head is Damian Williams, who was portrayed by his defense attorney at trial as being a saintly person who was the victim of poverty and racism.
He got 10 years for a felony count of mayhem and misdemeanor assault and the jury found him not guilty on other charges as “revenge” for the acquittal of the Rodney King cops. He served four of the ten years, got out on “good behavior”, and promptly shot a drug dealer in a deal gone bad.
“We need to stand up and do something,”....She’s absolutely correct........”do something” in Washington but leave the general population alone. We are capable of handling things like this ourselves. She should mind her own business...........if she has any.
And if a loner psychopath can only purchase a dozen 10-round mags, I guess this never would have happened.
And if we suddenly made handgun purchases illegal, I guess a loner psychopath who chained the exit doors shut on a defenseless building would not have had gasoline.
The Dems are shooting themselves in the foot, which is pretty remarkable for unarmed psychopaths.
Yeah but has she practiced getting fired at. I’d bet that if someone layed down a field of fire like the guy did at Vigirnia, in a minute and a half, her lips would be sucking the floor, peeing all over herself and crying for mommy. Going to a firing range and returning fire, when being fired at, are two completely different situations.
LOL!
The point is, students are taking up weapons for self defense now. Certainly better than being a sitting duck on a pond with no defense whatsoever. First things first, let them learn to defend themselves.
I was wondering which one of those was “Football” Williams. Thanks.
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In communist and fascist nations, the first thing the government does is to take away all the guns.
I don’t think Congress will take action for the reasons suggested in the story. And what would be the point? Bush would veto anyway so why make your people from GOP-leaning districts cast a bad vote on the records.
But it will be interesting to see how the DC Gun ban (crrently overturned) plays out in the appellate courts. You never know which way Anthony “blowing with the wind” Kennedy will vote.
Video games, especially the big simulators where you hold a simulated weapon in your own hands, help a lot with that.
My roommate, who is from VA, told me there was a shooter incident at UVA a few years ago. She said that some of the students were able to get their guns from their cars and stop the shooter. I haven’t heard this mentioned yet on the news... does anyone know about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
That's my recollection of events at Appalachian Law School, but I'm partial to John Lott. IIRC, there have been two other school shootings in recent years that were stopped by folks who were armed.
She’s a bit confused. This was the Appalachian School Of Law (in Grundy, VA) shooting incident of 16 Jan 2002. Shooter came in and started firing away. Dr. John Lott’s book describes what happened next:
“The fast responses of two male students, Mikael Gross, thirty-four, and Tracy Bridges, twenty-five, undoubtedly saved many lives. Mikael was outside the law school and just returning from lunch when Peter Odighizuwa started his attack. Tracy was in a classroom waiting for class to start. When the shots rang out, utter chaos erupted. Mikael said, ‘People were running everywhere. They were jumping behind cars, running out in front of traffic, trying to get away.’
“Mikael and Tracy were prepared to do something quite different: Both immediately ran to their cars and got their guns. Mikael had to run about one hundred yards to get to his car. Along with Ted Besen [unarmed student], they approached Peter from different sides. As Tracy explains it, ‘I stopped at my vehicle and got a handgun, a revolver. Ted went toward Peter, and I aimed my gun at [Peter], and Peter tossed his gun down. Ted approached Peter, and Peter hit Ted in the jaw. Ted pushed him back and we all jumped on.’”
Copied from: http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/01/13/lang.htm
Because of people in government just like you, Dick. Just like you...
No, it's 32 deaths. The thug who massacred those 32 shouldn't be listed as a victim.
Ok, so let me get this straight.. banning the spring feed box that any middle school metal shop student could build from being sold will cut back on lunatics going crazy with guns???
Yea right... how about not forcing people to be unarmed victims?
Hey, idiot, what on *earth* does that have to do with gun laws?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Just a side note, mr. manners.
Ops4
Typical stupid dem response to anything: hold a hearing! Yes!! That'll solve all our problems! If they can't find a murderous thug dictator's a** to kiss, the damn dems will hold a hearing!
“It’s hard to explain why a person needs a clip with more than 10 bullets in it,” said Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.). “
It’s also hard to explain why you’re an idiot liberal Mr. Turbin.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Robert Heinlein
Yup, baby steps. They will nibble away at our GOD GIVEN rights.
One might wonder how the Senator focussed on ten rounds. Why not only eight? Or five? Perhaps single shot weapons should be mandated. Certainly if the criminal is thoughtful enough to attack alone, one round should be sufficient.
There should be a law to prevent such legislative nonsense. Oh, yes ... there is. The Second Amendment.
Well, I don't see anything to disagree with here.
You're not looking hard enough. Give them an inch, they'll take a yard. You should have paid attention to arguments in various states on concealed carry privileges.
What about the security of the database? Remember how the VA lost all that data recently?
What about about a DUI, or prior history of drug abuse? Should they lose their right to self defense?
What about misdiagnosis from an adverse drug effect?
It may sound good after VA Tech, but this kid may have been suffering from an adverse drug effect if he was being treated with some of the latest antidepressants.
A forgotten but vital piece of the Damian Williams - Reginald Denny story is the fact that it was heroic blacks that saved Denny.
The news media and politicos were so wrapped up in race issues that they ignored these heros.
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/323868/Main/4094
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RESCUE
On April 29, 1992, rioting broke out across the United States in the aftermath of a trial of police offices accused of the bashing of Los Angeles motorist Rodney King. The city of Los Angeles, especially, experienced violence and destruction on a scale not seen since race riots of the ‘60s.
On that day a 33-year-old, white truck driver, Reginald Denny, was driving his 28-wheeler semitrailer back to the Mixed Concrete Company’s depot. As he drove, he listened to a local country and western music station, ignorant of the unrest and the maelstrom that lay just ahead.
He manoeuvred his rig down Florence Avenue in south-central Los Angeles and noticed a crowd and commotion at the intersection with Normandie Street just ahead. He slowed as he approached the group, and suddenly found himself pulled from his vehicle and under a flurry of blows. The rioters threw him onto the road and kicked and beat him with any weapon available.
The attack was captured live by news cameras in helicopters circling overhead and went immediately to air.
A short distance away, Lei Yuille, a young, black dietitian, watched the coverage on television with her mother and brother.
“We’re Christians. We need to go and help,” her brother declared. So they ran out to their car and drove the short distance to the corner.
Denny had managed to drag himself back into his truck and, although he couldn’t see because of the severe injuries to his head and eyes, he tried to drive his truck away. Lei jumped onto the passenger-side running board of the prime mover.
“I told him I was there to help,” she said. “He said he couldn’t see, and I told him I would guide him.”
In the meantime, Bobby Green, a black truck driver in his late 20s, who had also seen the beating on TV, arrived. He jumped on the driver’s side running board and convinced Denny to slide across, so that he could get behind the wheel and drive the truck to safety.
Two more blacks, Titus Murphy and his girlfriend, Terri Barnett, drove ahead while Green drove the truck to a hospital. Lei, now inside the cab, sat on the other side of Denny, supporting his bleeding head.
“God is real awesome, and the bottom line is, He put me out there, and He was really responsible for getting Reginald Denny to the hospital,” says Lei. “He used all of us to get him there. This is how he works—through people.”
Bobby explains: “Really, I didn’t want to go, because I felt like—you know—it was none of my business. But . . . if I was the truck driver, being at that place, I would want somebody to save me. I don’t care what colour his skin is.
“And,” he adds, “I think God was my shield, so I didn’t get hurt.”
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The artist showing Denny should complete the story with a second depiction having a scene where the heros risk their lives to save Denny.
Black had nothing to do with the near murder of Denny. Today it could just as well have been a Mexican gang member.
The core problem attributes of these tragedies are Families without Christ, economics and taxes.
Um, I wasn’t implying anything about the race of anyone involved. I was merely pointing out that the reason for having a weapon that can take more than 10 rounds is that enemies often come in greater numbers than 5.
I knew about “the rest of the story”, but it wasn’t relevant to the discussion above.
I know you were pointing out that heavy weapons are needed when there are riots like the 1992 LA riots. I was trying to deflect potential criticism that the artist’s scene was racist.
It’s not really political correctness but accuracy that is the aim. The scene needs to include the heros that saved his life in the middle of murderous terror.
Your idea that people need heavy weapons in such situations has merit, or at least handguns. But a handgun in Denny’s possession or even a heavy weapon would have done him no good. He was pulled so quickly out the truck that he wouldn’t have had time to draw his weapon.
If you know who the artist is, and obviously the artist is talented, please forward on that we would like to see a scene with the 4 black heros.
I do, and I will post a link below.
In Reginald Denny’s case, he actually did have enough time to deploy a handgun in his cab. Remember, he actually swerved and stopped to avoid a crowd of pedestrian rioters. He then had about 15 seconds before the cretins ever touched his truck - and all you need is 3 seconds to deploy a handgun.
Also, a handgun is NOT considered heavy weaponry. Yes, heavier weapons are needed in riot situations, but a handgun with a capacious magazine will help. Denny could have shot the man or men trying to drag him out of the cab, put the truck in gear and left. Once he was moving, nothing would have stopped that behemoth, and woe to the rioter who got in its way out of the killzone.
The artist’s web page: http://www.sandowbirk.com/013.html
Birk doesn’t seem to have made a followup to that piece, though.
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