Details surrounding N.J. gov.'s crash change dramatically { Corzine unbuckled }

AP via SFGate ^ | 4/18/7 | TOM HESTER Jr.

[VRWCmember]

Report to Mention German Homeschooling

In the most highly publicized case, 15-year-old Melissa Busekros was taken from her homeschooling parents in Bavaria in a SWAT-style police raid and placed in a mental hospital and then put into foster care. A state psychiatric evaluation of the girl claimed she suffered from "school phobia" and was too devoted and obedient to her father. The parents have failed to regain custody.

When the state raids a home, takes a child away from her parents, and takes control of the child because a state psyciatric examiner deems her "too devoted and obedient to her father", that might cause reasonable people to question whether or not "freedom is way of life" there.

[patton]

As I asked before, did the SWAT team raid the wrong house and shoot the dog?

I readily admit that home schooling is illegal in Germany.

And, as I have previously said, I do not think we should emulate all German laws.

But I am tired of people claiming that the US is a free country, while they pass yet another freedom-restricting law.

Have you ever seen this sign?

[JayNorth]

fog of war...

"fog of war" is left-speak for "we're working on a cover up but we haven't finished wordsmithing it with a focus group yet".

[JayNorth]

It was relative speed that caused the problem.

Exactly, we're all going almost 1,000 mph right now, while we sit in our dens. The earth has a circumference of about 25,000 miles and it rotates a full turn every 24 hours, so at the equator you're clocking over 1,000 mph. Where we live, a little less.

[VRWCmember]

You have stressed the "wrong house" aspect of police raids several times, which is somewhat surprising since I thought your objection was to the whole war on drugs and the police raids related to it in general rather than to the occasional mistake in regards to the address to be raided. If the police make a mistake -- whether through bad information from informants or through miscommunication -- and people or pets are injured as a result that is a tragic result. Given the emphasis you have placed on this "wrong house" angle, one would almost infer that the police are out there raiding the wrong house every night, shooting innocent dogs, and terrorizing families who have no connection whatsoever to illegal activity; and while one occasionally hears of such an incident it is probably on an order of frequency lower than that of toddlers drowning in their bathtubs. Granted, even one instance of a mistake in enforcing the laws where police raid the wrong house is extremely disturbing, but this is hardly a common occurance that has citizens constantly cringing in fear of errant police raids.

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So do you readily admit that in the area of parental rights to direct the upbringing and education of their children, we enjoy a GREAT DEAL more freedom than parents in Germany do?

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So a sign that means you can drive as fast as you want with no restrictions (presumably as long as you aren't trying usurp the state's authority to teach your child how to drive) translates into total freedom?

[Tennessee Nana]

“I readily admit that home schooling is illegal in Germany.”

Hitler made home schooling illegal in Gremany. his laws about home schooling are still on the books and still used...

Hardly a country where the “living is free” Teaching your children is a fundamental life choice.....

[patton]

Apropos SWAT raids - indeed, german police action is cautious, and I cannot find an incidence of a raid on the wrong house.

I disagree with your assertion that it is rare in the US - somebody posted a map of the US swat raids on wrong houses recently, and it was terrifying to see how common it is.

Apropos parental rights - only with regards to school, are parents in the US more free. In fact, fewer German kids are removed from their parents control than in the US.

The sign does not mean “free to drive fast” - it means, “end of all regulation.”

Interesting, no?

[patton]

Hitler was also the original antismoking nazi, quite literally.

Germans finds these policies abhorrent.

Americans embrace them.

See the problem?

[Lurking in Kansas]

Oh, no, it’s not CORZINE’S fault, it’s the TROOPER’S fault.

Typical liberal mind-set. It's never THEIR fault, blame someone else for their own actions.

[Lurking in Kansas]

I guess it would be bad taste to say it serves him right, wouldn’t it?

Hmmm.... hmmm... hey, don't rush me, I'm thinking.... hmmm...

[dfwgator]

{ Corzine unbuckled }

Considering he was with a young female aide, the seatbelt may not have been the only thing that was unbuckled at the time of the accident.

[Txsleuth]

LOL...no hurry!

[SmithL]

OH?

So if Ted Kennedy could have blamed a State Trooper, he might have become President.

[hadit2here]

It will be the trooper's fault for not trying hard enough to make Corzine put on his seatbelt. I guess the trooper should have refused to start the car until Corzine complied?

Two scenarios:

1.) Trooper tells everyone to "belt up" and the Guv decides he doesn't have to because he's royalty (a liberal) and beyond laws (and common sense) that govern the peons, so he tells the trooper to "just drive". Trooper drives, accident ensues, Guv is seriously injured, everyone else (who were belted) walks away mostly unscathed. Trooper is "investigated" and fired for not making Guv belt up and for having the accident. Trooper loses job.

2.) Trooper tells everyone to "belt up" and the Guv decides he doesn't have to because he's royalty (a liberal) and beyond laws (and common sense) that govern the peons, so he tells the trooper to "just drive". Trooper says he won't move the vehicle unless everyone is belted up. Guv says "drive", trooper says "belt up". Guv says "you're fired". Trooper loses his job.

There is no positive outcome for serving at the whim of royalty. Like in Alice's story, "Off with their heads" is the common reaction of royalty to any (in)subordinate trying to 'splain common sense and reality to said 'tard royalty-- or liberal.

No matter what happens, the trooper is screwed... and not because he got a little from the aide in the backseat (who was belted up, by the way).

8^)

[miss marmelstein]

I posted on another thread that in NJ on-duty state police caused 414 crashes in the year 2006.