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To: kabar
Good, informed post, nevertheless:

Population growth rates in the developing world will continue to fall, the key factor being urbanization. To put it simply for others on this thread, in a rural society, more kids = more hands to work the farm. Add the fact that the main forms of social activity in rural societies involve either planting crops or "planting one's own seed" and you can see why agrarian societies have higher birthrates.

With the global movement toward urban areas, and steady employmet in service and industry, it should be expected that population growth will continue to fall (as it has throughout Latin America and Asia, and, to a lesser extent the Middle East).

Your concerns would be valid if population growth were static. Trends in the developing world indicate otherwise. There is a good reason why the Maquiladoras in Mexico can increasingly only find women from the South to work in unskilled occupations.

I am not a religious man, but a man who believes that rational choice ultimately wins over the irrational over the long run in all societies. As such, I will continue to take the "population control freaks", whether bourgeois Orange County/Fairfax County types, or Eurotrash, with a grain of salt. In 20-30 years, there will be no surplus labor from Mexico, so all of those who have sand in their vagina about seeing all of those Campesinos from Puebla at the local mall should chill out.

44 posted on 04/18/2007 10:38:15 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Clemenza
I am not a religious man, but a man who believes that rational choice ultimately wins over the irrational over the long run in all societies. As such, I will continue to take the "population control freaks", whether bourgeois Orange County/Fairfax County types, or Eurotrash, with a grain of salt. In 20-30 years, there will be no surplus labor from Mexico, so all of those who have sand in their vagina about seeing all of those Campesinos from Puebla at the local mall should chill out.

Again, you miss the point. Calling for a rationale immigration policy and securing our broders is not a population control measure, but it does have population implications. Your use of such loaded terms as "population control freaks, whether bourgeois Orange County/Fairfax County types, or Eurotrash" and that "all of those who have sand in their vagina about seeing all of those Campesinos from Puebla at the local mall should chill out" is typical of the "open border" types who would rather demagog the issue than discuss unemotionally the impact of what is happening before our very eyes. It is unprecedented in our history.

The biggest issues facing this country are entitlement reform and immigration, legal and illegal. Unfortunately, most Americans are ill-informed about both and our political elites would rather not discuss them in an adult manner. The reason: Both represent a massive failure on their part to fulfill their responsibilities to this nation. The day of reckoning is not far off.

Your concerns would be valid if population growth were static. Trends in the developing world indicate otherwise. There is a good reason why the Maquiladoras in Mexico can increasingly only find women from the South to work in unskilled occupations.

The problem facing America is not directly related to population growth in Mexico, Latin America or the rest of the world. It is part economic and part the aspirations of the downtrodden to come to a free country that represents hope for them and their families. America is the world's lifeboat and the best hope of Man. The lifeboat is being swamped and will slowly sink beneath the waves like so many other great civilizations before us, if we don't recognize what is happening now.

Even if the world's population trends downward, America will still have to cope with large numbers of people who want to come here. And policies such as chain migration and "anchor babies" ensure that more and more can come legally. And a lack of secure border [including the failure to control visa overstays, which constitute one-third of the illegal alliens], is adding even more people. There have to be limits on how many we allow in. The issue is what are those limits and what are the long term implications in terms of our infrastructure [roads, water, energy, etc.], schools, hospitals, social welfare systems, culture, quality of life, etc.

The very trends you see working in the developing world in terms of natural population control are happening here. The wild card is that we are taking in more people annually than the rest of the world combined in terms of migration. Immigration, legal and illegal, is artificially changing the natural equation. The world's population can be declining and we, as a nation, could still be having a population problem.

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington

57 posted on 04/19/2007 7:27:08 AM PDT by kabar
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