Posted on 04/18/2007 11:46:31 PM PDT by Verax
In a 19-page affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City, convicted Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Lynn Nichols alleges that the bombing plot was actually under the supervision of top FBI officials. According to a February 21 report in Salt Lake City's Deseret News, the Nichols affidavit charges that Timothy McVeigh, who was executed for his role in the bombing, was actually working under Larry Potts, the controversial FBI official who was forced to resign under a cloud for his roles in two other major FBI scandals: the deadly FBI assaults on Ruby Ridge in 1992 and Waco in 1993. Terry Nichols is not a terribly credible witness: he's a mass murderer and he lied consistently through the OKC investigation, but his claims should not be dismissed outright.
As the assistant director in charge of criminal investigations at FBI headquarters, Larry Potts was the Washington-based manager of the 1992 operation against the Randy Weaver family near Ruby Ridge in remote northern Idaho. In that incredible and tragic operation, Randy Weaver's wife Vicki was shot in the head and killed by an FBI sniper, while holding her infant child. The Weavers' 14-year-old son Sammy was also killed, shot in the back by federal agents. Larry Potts was the FBI official who approved the illegal "license to kill" order that resulted in those deaths.
The FBI's infamous assault on the Branch Davidian church complex near Waco, Texas, left more than 80 people dead, including 22 children. Potts, again, played a key role, both in authorizing the use of deadly force against innocent civilians, and, later, in the campaign of lies and coverups aimed at thwarting congressional investigations into the deadly fiasco.
Larry Potts was also the FBI's man charged with overall supervisory responsibility for the Oklahoma City bombing investigation in 1995. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI Director Louis Freeh, and Bob Ricks, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Oklahoma City office, Potts helped misdirect the OKC investigation, purposely steering investigators away from individuals who should have been considered top suspects as McVeigh's co-conspirators in the bombing plot.
One of the primary suspects who benefited from this misdirection was Andreas Strassmeir, a German national who was in the United States illegally and was serving as chief of security at the white separatist compound known as "Elohim City," in rural eastern Oklahoma. McVeigh's phone records show he called the compound on the same day that he called the Ryder truck agency to rent the vehicle used for the truck bomb.
According to the FBI's own documents, the witness at Elohim City who took the call said McVeigh was calling for Strassmeir. Elohim City was well-known as a hangout and hideout for the notorious Aryan Republican Army bank robbers, several of whom have turned out to be federal informants or agents provocateur.
Rather than arresting and questioning Strassmeir, the FBI allowed him to wander freely for eight months and then slip into Mexico before fleeing back to Germany. Andreas Strassmeir and McVeigh's connections to Elohim City have been subject of numerous reports in The New American's extensive and ongoing investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing. (See, for example, "Elohim, Terror, and Truth [0]" and "Undercover: The Howe Revelations [0]." The latter title refers to Carol Howe, an ATF informant who provided federal agents prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing.)
After Louis Freeh promoted Potts to be his top assistant, he was forced to demote and suspend him when congressional and Justice Department investigations revealed Potts' illegal activities in the Ruby Ridge and Waco operations. Was Potts "running" Strassmeir, McVeigh, and other OKC bombing suspects who were listed in the original federal indictment as "others unknown"? The answer to that question may be revealed when other sealed FBI documents on Elohim City, McVeigh, and Strassmeir are released.
I have come up with a new word for this chit (it’s a real word,look it up)...........CLINTON CLOROX.......
..it always seems it happens,it’s known....and it disappears Clinton Clorox:White Out in gallon dispensers.
And the goverment has alien families that crashed on earth while abducting cows ans sucking out their brains living in secret bases in area 51. The government already has spaceships built that can zip to other gallaxies an mere hours, and have already started colonizing several planets in several galaxies... /s
sheesh...
“...he’s a mass murderer and he lied consistently through the OKC investigation, but his claims should not be dismissed outright.”
Yes they should be.
There are many serious and unexplained issues in this case.
But if McVeigh was an FBI agent, would not he have come out with that rather than face execution in silence?
My own take on this is that there has been a huge coverup, and he had motives and connections that the public has no idea of.
“They’re in it with the aliens.
They’re building landing strips for gay Martians...”
Dead Milkmen
“Stuart”
This whole thing stinks of Clinton coverup. I don’t think that the fertilizer bomb brought down that building. There was something else going on, perhaps an FBI sting that went haywire—but there were probably some serious demolition charges on support beams as well as the blast from the front.
Do you actually believe that the President was working with FBI’s Larry Potts in the Ruby Ridge massacre?
William F. Jasper aka Rossie O’donnel
a cover up is not lightin the fuse........Whatever stupid lie Clinton was forced to tell to cover his ass, what he did publically after is horrendous.He blamed America, specifically talk radio and MORE specifically, Rush Limbaugh by name. This was middle east terrorism and Clinton said..............hell no , not on my watch.
This story has been around for a loooong time.
I was asking about Ruby Ridge, not OKC.
sorry had back to back responses...that said no the prez and Potts were on two different planets. But no one is ever without range or consequence w/ a Clinton justice dept.
Rubbish. This is just as inane as the claims that the World Trade Center was brought down by explosives.
Half-educated conspiracy theorists on both the Left and the Right will sometimes make this kind of baseless accusation, and compare it to Nazi Germany and the Reichstag fire. Of course, the Reichstag fire required nothing more than one guy with a gallon of gas and a book of matches.
To bring down a modern multi-storey building requires tons of explosives, miles of det cord, much drilling and cutting, weeks of preparation, and a large number of co-conspirators. Beyond doubt, this did not take place either in Oklahoma City or at the WTC.
-ccm
What did Clinton have to do with the massacre at Ruby Ridge?
Seems ATF:
"One former senior member of the DOJ put it in strong terms. He laid blame at the feet of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Forearms. “I know Strassmeir was central to this crime and I believe Carol Howe, the informant, was dead right. She warned the ATF and they blew this whole thing. They knew the details of what was in the works and they messed everything up. "
"Howe knew who McVeigh was. She heard his name at the camp many times. "
"Howe told the Gazette, “All Andy wanted to do was blow up federal buildings. That’s the truth. He even told the young radicals he was training that, if they wouldn’t go to war with the U.S. government, he would leave and find a group that would.”
Speaking of Elohim City spiritual advisor and founder, Robert Millar, Howe told the Gazette: “Millar even gave a sermon and urged the younger members under Andy’s training to prepare for war with the government. He told them other militias would follow suit. The key date was the upcoming anniversary of Waco: April 19th.”
"Howe’s work was terminated though, shortly after she made her report public about the “big secret” at Elohim City."
According to documents in Howe’s ATF file, the FBI then contacted the informant’s supervisors and told them to close their investigation into Elohim City and completely back off."
Newspaper Claims Former DOJ Officials Confirm Bombing Coverup (Clinton's DOJ & FBI)
hell son , I’m the one drinkin here........go re-read what I wrote.Both posts say Clinton did not join or direct Potts anything....Clinton reacted (different than involved
} in OKC and reacted was not involved in Ruby or Waco.........
Yes, the then Governor or Arkansas had little control over the events at Ruby Ridge.
Defending Horiuchi throught two terms.
Throught?
Throughout!
If he was never put on trial and never found guilty the current administration could bring an indictment and put him on trial for murder.
I don’t know what the status is about a State case. Considering how the current Administration feels about Border Patrol agents...
These guys were a dime a dozen. They were a regular feature act that attempted to join our Alabama Militia month after month.
Same exact spiel. White guys. Clean cut. Just "moved into the neighborhood" and were always able to know just who to contact to join up.
And then they'd rant about blowing up federal buildings at every gathering that we let them hang out at.
Time after time. It was a running joke that the pay must be good for feds to keep sending their white guys in to agitate.
Didn't slow down until after 9/11/01.
LT. ANDREAS STRASSMEIR - PzGren (SPz)
Chapter Six
The Secret Life of Bill Clinton
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Regnery Publishing Inc. - Washington D.C.
The Unreported Stories - 1997
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b275f5c16b8.htm
> I don’t think that the fertilizer bomb brought down that building.
Are you suggesting that a fertilzer bomb *couldn’t* bring down that building, or that it *didn’t*?
(I know you wrote implied that it “didn’t”: I am wondering if you are also implying that McVeigh’s bomb was incapable of doing the damage.)
It’s difficult to see how Clinton could have possibly benefited from the Oklahoma City bombings sufficiently to warrant a full-on Presidential cover-up. Where were you going with that idea?
You've just explained why it COULD NOT have been just a simple fertilizer bomb parked out in front. DUH?!
General Ben Parton, in charge of the research for "blowing things up" for the Airforce for 25 years did an extensive writeup on how it was ridiculous to think that it was just the fertilizer truck bomb.
So you admit that jet fuel fire could not have demolished WTC? Interesting.
I think Clinton was just trying something that worked against conservatives -- to some extent -- years earlier. He blamed conservatives.
I remember that there was some effort on the left to blame the emerging modern conservative movement for the assassination of JFK. It was conservative criticism of JFK that made Oswald do it, they said.
For example, though I do not remember Walter Cronkite saying this on the air but I have read that he reported that Senator Barry Goldwater was asked about the JFK assassination and snapped, "No comment." Cronkite later apologized, I've read. I definitely do remember CBS and other MSM employees' lies about Goldwater, though.
Also I definitely do remember conservative groups being roundly condemned for their criticism of JFK and the "climate of hate" (I believe was the phrase used) that Conservatives had created.
As I recall Clinton got a bump in poll numbers after OKC. IMO that alone was enough for a White House-directed quick end to the OKC investigation and the punishment of the two "lone" white guys.
If you trust the F.B.I., or the B.A.T.F. then you are a fool.
If you trust the F.B.I., or the B.A.T.F. then you are a fool.
No.
Federal Convict Terry Lynn Nichols is innocent!!!!
All convicts in any prison are innocent!
Just ask them, they’ll swear it’s true!
Time after time. It was a running joke that the pay must be good for feds to keep sending their white guys in to agitate.
They haven't changed much in decades. Some 60s radical (I forget which one) said they could aways tell who was the FBI agent trying to infiltrate their group because he was the one who wanted to blow something up right away.
“Throught?”
An intellectual dry spell?.....:)
[ where I live, throughout is actually pronounced throught so I got your drift right away].....;-D
Is this where the government got the machines to control the weather?
Mostly muslim (surprise). There was a lot of ... stuff ... going on with the OKC case. It was incredibly useful and convienient on several different fronts, from scrubbing Waco documents, to demonizing the term 'militia', and the right wing in general.
The fateful sound of black helicopters in the morning air.
He was never convicted of murder, though he should have been. There was a lot of jurisdictional dancing between the state and federal courts, and ultimately the government protects its assasins.
We learned during the Clinton administration that it is perfectly legal for the government to kill anyone they desire, and there isn't a damned thing we can do about it.
I like you. You’re not like the other people here
in the trailer park.
McVeigh has been described by a former army buddy as a "solder's soldier" who would march straight off a cliff if directed by his superiors.
It could have been a sting gone bad, very bad. Clinton and the FBI tried to cover it up like TWA800.
I think I remember bomb experts in the days following the explosion, on TV talking about there was a bomb here, and another here, etc. Did I dream this, or does anyone else remember it?
Several experts said that the blast force of that particular-sized explosive would have dissipated before taking out most of the critical steel-reinforced support beams.
During the rescue ops there were several successive bomb scares, including some pics of personnel removing fairly large canisters from the parking garage area. (Later the FBI said that these were probably “sample bombs” kept in the FBI office to know what they looked like).
Clinton’s ratings were in the toilet, a real malaise, until this galvanizing event. If it turned out to be an FBI sting operation, to suck in German/Iraqi terrorists to plant explosives, then Clinton’s boost would have disappeared.
So the entire building, and the detailed investigation of where the blast points were, got razed 3-4 days later “to save the American people the continuing pain of looking at the ruined building.”
Yeah he would have come out... unless he wasn’t actually executed. Lemme see, it went fast, and *I* never saw his body, have you? /sarc off
I love The Dead Milkmen.
Where do you get such outlandish ideas?
I suppose you think all conspiracies are figments of someone's imagination?
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