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House vote permits guns in more places
Knoxville News ^ | April 19, 2007 | Tom Humphrey

Posted on 04/19/2007 7:13:47 AM PDT by bamahead

NASHVILLE - In a surprise move, a House panel voted Wednesday to repeal a state law that forbids the carrying of handguns on property and buildings owned by state, county and city governments - including parks and playgrounds. "I think the recent Virginia disaster - or catastrophe or nightmare or whatever you want to call it - has woken up a lot of people to the need for having guns available to law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Frank Niceley, R-Strawberry Plains. "I hope that is what this vote reflects."

As amended, the legislation still wouldn't allow guns on school property, however.

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"We've been piecemealing this thing year after year," Briley said. "Why don't we just let you take your gun anywhere you want to?"

Tennessee's handgun carry law includes a listing of places where permit holders are forbidden to take their weapons. Briley has proposed an amendment that repeals a provision prohibiting guns "in or on the grounds of any public park, playground, civic center or other building facility, area or property owned, used or operated by any municipal, county or state government, or instrumentality thereof."

With very little debate, the amendment was quickly approved on a voice vote with only Rep. Janis Sontany, D-Nashville, chairman of the subcommittee, audibly shouting, "No!"

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; righttocarry

1 posted on 04/19/2007 7:13:50 AM PDT by bamahead
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To: bamahead

Good for them! (Good for the people of TN, too!)


2 posted on 04/19/2007 7:15:16 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: bamahead

YEAH!!!!

ROCK AND ROLL!!!!


3 posted on 04/19/2007 7:17:11 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Joe 6-pack

One good step forward in the task of taking America back from the socialists


4 posted on 04/19/2007 7:24:18 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson / Duncan Hunter or Duncan Hunter / Fred Thompson ... either way is OK by me)
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To: bamahead

Some people “get it”.


5 posted on 04/19/2007 7:25:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: bamahead
If licensed gun owners had the freedom to carry it would reduce gun violence. This is my opinion and some statistics I have read. If this happened and crime was reduced significantly, would we be the model for other countries to follow?
6 posted on 04/19/2007 7:29:40 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: Lazamataz
Unfortunately a lot of people don't

Fred Thompson in 2009

7 posted on 04/19/2007 7:44:17 AM PDT by clamper1797 (and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one)
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To: bamahead
"go ahead..make my day"
8 posted on 04/19/2007 7:46:37 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ((NY Times: "Fake but Accurate"))
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To: bamahead

This is a move in the right direction.


9 posted on 04/19/2007 8:01:41 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Yippee! I hope it’s contagious.


10 posted on 04/19/2007 8:08:19 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

To get a carry permit in TN, we have to take a course in gun safety, prove competence in the use of the firearm we list as our carry weapon, pass a background check to own a handgun, and renew this license each year. Why the hell restrict those who go through such hoops ... the criminals carrying weapons didn’t do any of these hoops, shouldn’t there be at least a few armed citizens to counter this ‘freedom’ for criminals to expect there is no self-defense from their criminal behaviors?


11 posted on 04/19/2007 8:14:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
"...the criminals carrying weapons didn’t do any of these hoops..."

< lib logic>Maybe ya'll should consider increasing the certification standards for criminals. < /lib logic>

12 posted on 04/19/2007 8:28:52 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: AmericanGunner; Joe Brower; stephenjohnbanker; Czar; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; archy; mr_hammer

Have the lights just come on in a few legislators brains or is common sense finally being recognized for what it is?


13 posted on 04/19/2007 8:34:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: bamahead

BRAVO Volunteers!!!!!!


14 posted on 04/19/2007 8:39:33 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! "On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" By David Grossman)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Several years back, when I still visited a neighborhood bar for a few beers with buds, there was an interesting conversation regarding a shooting at a nearby service station. A robber showed up brandishing a knife, cutting a customer to get the clerk's attention, demanding money in the register and that the clerk open the 'night safe'. The clerk reached under the counter and brought up a .357 Python and blew the fool to hell with two roundsbefore the fool hit the floor dead as a door nail. Consensus of the buds was that the clerk saved the taxpayers perhaps hundreds of thousands and future criminal acts by the fool waving the buck knife. I still feel that way even though democrats in Tennessee have raised their fool PC heads to try and make the populace dislike handguns and become sheepishly dependent upon the LEOs (some of whom were among the buds having a beer back then) to protect us, knowing the LEOs arrive after the criminal(s) have caused death and havoc. We Volunteers still believe in self-defense and will extend that defense to our fellow citizens, if they need it. I do grow tired of the hoops liberals can create though.
15 posted on 04/19/2007 8:44:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Those Python bites can be nasty. My dad carried one for years before his department switched to Berettas in the late ‘80s.


16 posted on 04/19/2007 8:48:28 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: bamahead

“As amended, the legislation still wouldn’t allow guns on school property, however.”

Don’t fall into the same trap as the anti’s did. Don’t feel good about this halfway measure. They “felt” safe in “gun free zones” (READ:”FREE VICTIM ZONES”). Don’t allow yourself to feel safe because they gave you back some of your freedoms. This bill still keeps schools as “FREE VICTIM ZONES”. The next mass killing will once again occur in a “FREE VICTIM ZONE”. Unless and until we are legally allowed to carry EVERYWHERE, “FREE VICTIM ZONES” will remain just as vulnerable to unabated attack.
The next time a bunch of kids are mowed down in school, I guess at least you can say, “Well...at least they let me carry in the park.”


17 posted on 04/19/2007 8:56:36 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Joe 6-pack
I guess I’m old school. I still believe that the safest most dependable hand gun to have at your reach for self-defense is a reel gun. Six .357 rounds delivered without a jam sticks in my mind as the essence of self-defense. If a person handles a weapon regularly, practicing every month with the auto loader, then the comfort to depend upon the extra capacity is better, but most folks just place the weapon someplace handy and don’t give it another thought until they need it. They probably don’t even unload and clean it regularly. The revolver is more forgiving under such circumstances. BTW, my home defense weapon is a nice 8-shot Winchester 1300 pump loaded with Buckshot ... eight .32 pellets each discharge is a stopper don'tchaknow.
18 posted on 04/19/2007 9:00:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
I once read that the average self-defense shooting incident involved something like 1.4 rounds, and I'm of the conviction that the so-called 'limited' capacity of a revolver is only a detriment for military or police usage. My preference for an autoloader is more for the ease of concealed carry than anything else, and a single stack auto doesn't really have that huge a capacity advantage over a revolver.

My choice for personal defense is a Colt 1991A1 in .40 S&W; however, any intruder would have to make it past my two german shepherds before I needed to make him part of my sight picture.

19 posted on 04/19/2007 9:08:32 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

Maybe I’ll send my kid to college in TN.


20 posted on 04/19/2007 9:12:43 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: bamahead
w00t!

Steps on the Right direction for a change...

21 posted on 04/19/2007 9:17:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: TaxRelief

Safer in the East than in the West.


22 posted on 04/19/2007 9:20:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I once read that the average self-defense shooting incident involved something like 1.4 rounds,

That's obsolete information, from the days of FBI-inspired revolver training, which also imparted the factoid that most such incidents took place at a range of 21 feet/7 yards or less.

All that old news is now much less the case now with incidents involving multiple shooters, longguns and semiauto handguns, often in the hands of those with a surprising amount of former military training or exposure to others with it, and with enough serious practice to be pretty good at what they do. Body armor is also becoming commonplace in street shootings, and so too are drive-by shootings from vehicles in which the distances involved are greater than previously was usually the case, sometimes from moving vehicles but also sometimes from the *stop and bang* technique of having the driver come to a halt while the passenger/s let fly, increasing the liklihood of a well-aimed hit, after which the driver floors it and gets out of the area before effective return fire can be delivered.

23 posted on 04/19/2007 9:52:34 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: true_blue_texican
This is a move in the right direction.

Fifty college students shot, more than thirty dead? Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that it's time for more serious gun laws.

From now on, it's time for a really steep fine for anyone who fails to carry an effective defensive weapon, with jail time for repeat offenders.

It's a duty and responsibility of citizenship to not only take care of yourself, but to be able to assist another. I don't think that those with religious or other deeply held philosophical scruples against doing should be forced to do something against their beliefs, but there needs to be a way to tell them from the stupid or lazy who've just forgotten or misplaced their shooter. So a reasonably available exemption license should be available for those people once they demonstrate their sincerity, and something temporary for those medically or otherwise temporarily incapable of effectively defending themselves; they can get a license to not carry a weapon in public, as required by law.

The fee for such permits can be used to offset the public cost of protecting those who can't help protect themselves or others, with fee waivers for those experiencing simple temporary interruptions in their ability.

24 posted on 04/19/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Indeed I read that a long time ago...and all that you say makes sense.


25 posted on 04/19/2007 9:58:44 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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Teachers, staff, and students with a valid carry permit should be allowed to carry on campus too.


26 posted on 04/19/2007 9:59:42 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: bamahead
The Virginia Tech Massacre was only 4 days ago, but so far there doesn't seem to be the mass hysterical calls for gun control that there use to be after these sorts of incidents. If anything, it seems that citizens and legislators are leaning the opposite direction as seen in this article.

I personally think 9/11 caused a (hopefully) permanent shift in public attitudes toward guns and self defense in general. When Rosie O'Donnell comes out the day after the Virginia Tech Massacre and sadly proclaims that she is not even going to talk about gun control, because it is pointless and not enough people will fight for it. Then Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi go out of their way to release a statement saying that they do not intend to push for any gun control legislation. It really seems gun rights is one issue conservatives are winning.

In the not to distant future, I would love to see the supreme court uphold the fact that the 2nd amendment is an individual right. That should be the final nail in the coffin of gun control for a VERY long time...

27 posted on 04/19/2007 10:02:38 AM PDT by apillar
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To: bamahead

BATF - the Armed Forces of Gun Control !!!


28 posted on 04/19/2007 10:48:59 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: B4Ranch

“Have the lights just come on in a few legislators brains or is common sense finally being recognized for what it is?”

Better late than never : )


29 posted on 04/19/2007 11:29:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: B4Ranch; All

Common sense bump!


30 posted on 04/19/2007 11:29:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: archy

Dang it archy. Have you been hanging round with them bureacrats or something?

That sounds like something a lawyer would write up. Too many ifs and ands and too many fingers stoking up for that wonderful, “You may reapply in 90 days or submit two copies of this report to the Appeals Board for further examination within 10 days.


31 posted on 04/19/2007 12:26:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: archy
It's a duty and responsibility of citizenship to not only take care of yourself, but to be able to assist another. I don't think that those with religious or other deeply held philosophical scruples against doing should be forced to do something against their beliefs, but there needs to be a way to tell them from the stupid or lazy who've just forgotten or misplaced their shooter. So a reasonably available exemption license should be available for those people once they demonstrate their sincerity, and something temporary for those medically or otherwise temporarily incapable of effectively defending themselves; they can get a license to not carry a weapon in public, as required by law.

I like the way you think!

32 posted on 04/19/2007 12:40:16 PM PDT by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: MHGinTN
Consensus of the buds was that the clerk saved the taxpayers perhaps hundreds of thousands and future criminal acts by the fool waving the buck knife.

That's it, right there. Gun control makes the criminal defense lawyers rich and gives the State something to do, while at the same time we the people are made defenseless.

It's a win-win situation for them.

33 posted on 04/19/2007 1:01:27 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: bamahead
With very little debate, the amendment was quickly approved on a voice vote with only Rep. Janis Sontany, D-Nashville, chairman of the subcommittee, audibly shouting, "No!"

Here is your typical Liberal legislator.

Liberals are believers in Utopia. They believe that you can create the perfect world. They believe that government is the perfect instrument with which to create the perfect world.

This legislator is displaying the natural anger of the Liberal Zealot who has been stymied in her efforts to create the perfect world by unbelievers who are (to Her) obviously ignorant of what is the correct course to Utopia.

Conservatives see the world as it is and understand that the world can not be substantially different than it now is because of the natural limits of the world and the people that inhabit the world.

Conservatives know that human nature is a natural part of humans that nature and natures God has made us as we are. No amount of laws made by men will change human nature. Conservatives know that in a free society if the it is not in an individual’s nature to adhere to the law that person will not comply with the law.

The literal translation of Utopia is “Nowhere” conservatives understand that the perfect society is unattainable and to attempt to create the perfect society is foolish and counter productive.

Liberals do not understand this and it is an article of their Faith that we must strive for that Utopia, we must work for that perfect society were everyone is treated fairly and no one has more than anyone else, where everyone is happy. In their efforts the Liberals are creating a more and more illiberal society, placing more and more draconian constraints on the once free people of the United States.

Gun Control is a perfect example of this Liberal inability to live in the real world. Liberals desire to live in a world were everyone is kind and gentle, where no one ever harms anyone else, where everyone is reasonable, where no one ever wants for anything, and no one ever takes what they want from another by force.

Conservatives realize from human history that for a small percentage of the human race that it is in their nature to take by force from others what they want if they can. This is true today and has always been true. No amount of government regulation will ever change this fact. Taking the away the ability of the law abiding to effectively defend them selves simply makes it more likely that the misfits of society will commit crimes of violence on those who are rendered defenseless by the law. The violent scofflaws being aware that the vast majority of the populace will comply with the prohibitions against carrying effective means of self defense realize that their either greater strength or their willingness to ignore the law and illegally carry concealed weapons make the law-abiding populace easy prey.

Liberals in their nave attempts to create a perfect society make the world much less safe and much more dangerous for all of us living in this society that was before Liberalism much more perfect.

34 posted on 04/19/2007 4:55:31 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: B4Ranch
Dang it archy. Have you been hanging round with them bureacrats or something?

That sounds like something a lawyer would write up. Too many ifs and ands and too many fingers stoking up for that wonderful, “You may reapply in 90 days or submit two copies of this report to the Appeals Board for further examination within 10 days.

Yeah I know. But there needs to be both a way to seperate those looking for an excuse too evade or shirk their responsibilities from those with a real disability or limitation that keeps them from fulfilling a duty of citizenship, and from those who are legitimate conscientious objectors. Rather than any sort of governmental bureaucrats, the procedures used by doctors certifying those deserving of handicapped parking stickers and the like would probably be a better mechanism, though one with the potential for abuses from bribery or favouritism....as is any governmental licensure process.

I'm no lawyer, but I was thinking of the wording of Madison's original draft of the Second Amendment:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.

35 posted on 04/20/2007 7:43:11 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: B4Ranch
Dang it archy. Have you been hanging round with them bureacrats or something?

That sounds like something a lawyer would write up. Too many ifs and ands and too many fingers stoking up for that wonderful, “You may reapply in 90 days or submit two copies of this report to the Appeals Board for further examination within 10 days.

Yeah I know. But there needs to be both a way to seperate those looking for an excuse too evade or shirk their responsibilities from those with a real disability or limitation that keeps them from fulfilling a duty of citizenship, and from those who are legitimate conscientious objectors. Rather than any sort of governmental bureaucrats, the procedures used by doctors certifying those deserving of handicapped parking stickers and the like would probably be a better mechanism, though one with the potential for abuses from bribery or favouritism....as is any governmental licensure process.

I'm no lawyer, but I was thinking of the wording of Madison's original draft of the Second Amendment:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.

36 posted on 04/20/2007 8:45:00 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Anyone who is looking for an excuse too evade or shirk their responsibilities needs to lose the right to vote, own real property or hold a civil service position.

I know quite a few ‘handicapped’, 60 and 70% disabled vets who, IMHO would be able to assert more of a threat to criminals than many able bodied citizens.

I think most of the problems in our young people are the result of public education and television. How we correct that is another subject entirely.


37 posted on 04/20/2007 10:11:08 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: B4Ranch
Anyone who is looking for an excuse too evade or shirk their responsibilities needs to lose the right to vote, own real property or hold a civil service position.

Pretty close. They'd be subject to fingerprinting and psychiatric evaluation, of course, and unable to receive any public monies or funds, nor to hold any position of public trust.

I know quite a few ‘handicapped’, 60 and 70% disabled vets who, IMHO would be able to assert more of a threat to criminals than many able bodied citizens.

Oh, absolutely! They're more aware than most of both their limitations in being able to defend themselves and of the consequences if they trust that duty to others who have less of a personal stake in the matter.

I think most of the problems in our young people are the result of public education and television. How we correct that is another subject entirely.

Simple. #1: Everybody carries a gun in public settings, with very few licensed exceptions, as per above.

Part #2: Don't repeal the present *gun-free school zone* laws. No guns in public schools equals no teachers, administrators or even janitors in the buildings, much less students who've reached their 17th birthday.

38 posted on 04/20/2007 11:43:58 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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