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Marine speaks up for freedom from [homosexual] discrimination
Express-News ^ | 04/19/2007 | Guillermo Contreras

Posted on 04/19/2007 7:22:59 AM PDT by 2dogjoe

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To: USMCWife6869
"Huh??????? Has Catholicism changed this much? My uncle is a Jesuit priest, and I have never heard him mention that they have changed their position this way."

No it hasn't changed, and Catholic teachings doesn't say anything like that. It's obviously a 're-interpretation' of how fudge packers would like it to say.

Catholic/Christian teachings simply say that fundamental human rights are a gift from God and belong to everyone regardless of there station, race or color.

You will not find any teachings that will contradict the commandments of the Lord, and overrule what the bible considers sin. Sinners should be encouraged to repent their sin and change their ways, yes, and just as the Lord forgives sin upon repentance, so should the church. What this fairy tale wishfull thinking fiction is doing is trying to twist that the Church believes everyone, sinners included, should be have the same fundamental human rights as everyone else.

21 posted on 04/19/2007 7:58:39 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: USMCWife6869
"Huh??????? Has Catholicism changed this much? My uncle is a Jesuit priest, and I have never heard him mention that they have changed their position this way."

No it hasn't changed, and Catholic teachings doesn't say anything like that. It's obviously a 're-interpretation' of how fudge packers would like it to say.

Catholic/Christian teachings simply say that fundamental human rights are a gift from God and belong to everyone regardless of there station, race or color.

You will not find any teachings that will contradict the commandments of the Lord, and overrule what the bible considers sin. Sinners should be encouraged to repent their sin and change their ways, yes, and just as the Lord forgives sin upon repentance, so should the church. What this fairy tale wishfull thinking fiction is doing is trying to twist that the Church believes everyone, sinners included, should be have the same fundamental human rights as everyone else, absolves homosexual perverson from being a sin altogether.

22 posted on 04/19/2007 7:59:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Wormwood
"when interviewed his gay companions said they were stumped?"

it's a joke, lighten up

I take it you like homosexual behavior. whatever.

23 posted on 04/19/2007 8:03:01 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: HaveHadEnough

I don’t know why it would be repealed in the event of a draft. General prohibitions against sodomy weres in effect during previous wars; if the behavior manifests itself they’re discharged.


24 posted on 04/19/2007 8:09:06 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: 2dogjoe
What a disgrace to the uniform.

So what makes him the disgrace? His 13 years service? The fact he lost a leg in Iraq? Or his nerve at expressing an opinion you disagree with?

25 posted on 04/19/2007 8:10:34 AM PDT by Drennan Whyte
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To: USMCWife6869

He’s that close? My best regards to him. I’ve had sentiments that were similar; I’ve told my soldiers that I wanted to be retired before the rainbow flag was hoisted over Fort Bragg.


26 posted on 04/19/2007 8:11:04 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: Nathan Zachary
I take it you like homosexual behavior. whatever.

Honestly? I don't give it much thought at all.

Can't imagine why I'd even want to obsess on such a subject, myself. To each his own.

27 posted on 04/19/2007 8:12:19 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: MSF BU

But under Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, behavior is not what is needed. Just telling is.


28 posted on 04/19/2007 8:15:25 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: 2dogjoe
I am an obligate heterosexual. I could not become homosexual.

When people say that they are obligate homosexuals and cannot become heterosexual, I believe them. This is the basis for the attitude of acceptance that prevails in contemporary culture. I am accepting of homosexual people. My wife and I have friends and relatives who are homosexual.

However, to me legalizing homosexual marriage is out of the question, though contractual arrangements to achieve the legal benefits or marriage, such as wills, financial benefits, etc. are perfectly acceptable. The designation of certain crimes as "hate crimes" is ridiculous; what are the other crimes--"love crimes"? And the military Chiefs of Staff should decided the criteria for service based on what best protects the American people and the U.S.A.--nothing else; if they decide that allowing homosexuals to serve, that should be final, if not, also final.

29 posted on 04/19/2007 8:18:53 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Marxism works only in the minds of sociopaths and morons. The Democrat Party is the Party of S&M.)
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To: HaveHadEnough
Then don't tell and you won't have a problem. Along broader lines, the introduction/endorsement of homosexual behavior introduces a plethora of questions regarding the military ranging from billeting to how posts will treat the Boy Scout. I'd like to see the answers to those questions before the policy is changed.

Personally, I think President Reagan's "We Ask, Don't Join" policy worked just fine.

30 posted on 04/19/2007 8:20:08 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: MSF BU

Oh no. He has 6 more years. He has just said he didn’t care if he were that close, he wouldn’t stay in if they were allowed to flaunt their homosexuality.

I do want to make a quick observation. I do feel for this man in a way. He has clearly done his duty, and he has paid a high price. But he is a Sgt. and it says he served 13 years. Thirteen years is the cut off to pick up SSgt. for the up or out policy. I’m curious as to why he hadn’t picked up SSgt. If he waited until he was out of the Corps to be open, and he clearly did his part for the Corps in battle, then why no promotion? Just wondering is all.


31 posted on 04/19/2007 8:21:13 AM PDT by USMCWife6869 (Godspeed Sand Sharks.)
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To: MSF BU
Then don't tell and you won't have a problem.

I understand. But my point was that when a draft is ever again instituted, everyone and their mother will "tell" that they are gay, and Don't Ask Don't Tell will go out the window.
32 posted on 04/19/2007 8:23:54 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: HaveHadEnough
I understand. But my point was that when a draft is ever again instituted, everyone and their mother will "tell" that they are gay, and Don't Ask Don't Tell will go out the window.

Especially now that much of the stigma attached to being gay is gone.

33 posted on 04/19/2007 8:26:03 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: 2dogjoe

Agreed!


34 posted on 04/19/2007 8:37:35 AM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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Gotta ping this out later.


35 posted on 04/19/2007 8:45:37 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: HaveHadEnough

Interesting. I suppose you could have them sign an affadavit to that effect. I’ve often wondered with the internet how much easier it should be to track and point out draft dodgers, evaders, etc.


36 posted on 04/19/2007 8:54:43 AM PDT by MSF BU
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To: NYleatherneck
I won’t call this guy a disgrace to the uniform. He gave 13 years of good service to the Corps and spilled his own blood in combat.

You get no flame from me. You are absolutely correct. That Marine demonstrated courage and fidelity to his Nation. For that, we honor him.

I do not believe the military is an appropriate setting to push homosexuality, or to permit homosexuals to join, just as I do not wish to see women in combat assignments. But that in no way lessens what this brave man did for his Country.

37 posted on 04/19/2007 9:17:06 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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