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Posted on 04/19/2007 1:50:48 PM PDT by areafiftyone
Giuliani, in his extremely brief statement about the SC decision, implies that the Partial Birth Abortion ban is constitutional - and that's why he agrees with the decision. He does not say that he agrees with the ban itself. He doesn't say why he disagrees with the ban, and it isn't because it is unconstitutional, but because he actually supports partial birth abortion along with every other form of abortion on demand. He has said that he supports partial birth abortion as recently as 2000 as my last post points out in detail.
If he's slightly altered the wording of his support for abortion, it is simply because his focus-grouped, carefully packaged by political consultant, campaignspeak he's using to fool Republicans into voting for him demands it. He hasn't changed his position on anything - and he said he never would - he's just changed the way he markets his odius liberal views.
Dang, and I just donated more than usual. Live and learn! I am still going to support Rudy Giuliani so if you want to cancel me, go for it. I don’t really care to be a part of a forum that is as dictatorial as this one has become. I am a pro-life, 2nd amendment conservative Republican who is proud to support my candidate but will vote for my party’s nominee, even if I can’t stand him. You can tout conservatism all day long, but the Republican party is the ONLY party who can put those conservative values into action. So, I don’t understand why some here say this is a “conservative” forum not a REPUBLICAN forum. My mistake in thinking any conservative Republican would be welcome here.
These Rudy fistfights are a waste of time. We need to be fine-tuning conservative, individual right positions and attracting fence sitters to our side.
One of the biggest changes in our population has been the big increase in home ownership. Every anti-Kelo state proposition passed by big numbers this past election.
By relating to these people and showing them that the rats are opposed to private property, we stand a good chance to attract these new homeowners to the small govrenment side.
We need to be discussing ideas and strategies in areas such as this, rather than punching each other in the nose.
Which is why I said “the area” in a mischeivous way.
No sane "conservative" Republican would support a pro-abortionist, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-gay military, pro-big government, pro-authoritarian, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-illegal alien, draft-dodging serial adulterer liberal northeast lawyer like Rudy Giuliani.
"They say you don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off an 'ole Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim"
Ya'd think some people would take the hint..FGS.
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“No sane “conservative” Republican would support a pro-abortionist, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-gay military, pro-big government, pro-authoritarian, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-illegal alien, draft-dodging serial adulterer liberal northeast lawyer like Rudy Giuliani.”
That was all inclusive allright!!
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Someone should tell the “true conservatives” here. :)
You mean more conservative Republicans who don’t agree with you on every single issue PING. When all of us are gone, I hope there will be enough of you to sustain this forum.
The conservatives in the party are ready and willing to accept a compromise, moderate Republican candidate like Fred Thompson for the sake of the coalition. It is the extreme liberals in the party (the pro-abortionists, etc) who are absolutely refusing to budge and are insisting that their far liberal candidate be supported. If the conservatives in the party were being as unreasonable as the liberals, we'd all be insisting on Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo. But the polls show that we're ready to jump on the Thompson train. How come the social liberals in the party refuse to come our way even a little bit. Stop denigrating the "true conservatives" when it is the "true liberals" who are going to lose this next election with their refusal to see reason.
“When all of us are gone, I hope there will be enough of you to sustain this forum.”
Rudybots represent a small fraction of FR.
I do not consider myself to be a "Republican" but of course I'd never consider voting for any Democrat again for any office whatsoever.
Just for clarification....It is the Democrat Party that is the pro-war party. The media has simply been revising History again for the scumbags.
Strange - you claim to be those things, but will be upset if someone who espouses those views is elected.
That does not make sense.
Did I say that??? NO!!!! I was thinking of the Rino McCain.
What, in your view, makes McCain a RINO?
McCain voted against tax cuts and has marched in lock step with Kennedy and the Dems (as well as Bush) on amnesty for illegal aliens. I would never support him for the Primary!
Rudy has said he is against amnesty and has outlined his ideas, which include tamper proof ID cards for prospective workers. He is a tax cutter and fiscally conservative in all areas.
Which party do you vote with?
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Yes sir! Jim is FINALLY laying down the law for the liberal FReepers among us. If you want to promote and defend liberal candidates, HIT THE ROAD!
Good job, Jim.
Hey Katie-o, you never answered my post to you. I wondered how you could be stunned at the conservative reaction to Rudy here on FR.
You say you are pro life. Are you pro life, but okay with abortion as long as Rudy is okay with abortion?
Which is it? Pro Life or Pro Death?
He is a tax cutter and fiscally conservative in all areas.
Video: Giuliani Endorses Cuomo over Pataki
Video: Giuliani states Flat Tax would be a disaster
Video: Giuliani: Spend Tax dollars for abortions
Giuliani does not come across as a fiscal conservative "in all areas" to me.
No, I'm pretty darn sure I meant lib trolls, thanks anyway.
"When all of us are gone, I hope there will be enough of you to sustain this forum."
I assure you that there will be. Does that mean that you are leaving? Soon?
That is delusional thinking.
Fact. Rudy has said on many occasions that illegals should be "regularized". That is a code for amnesty. Rudy may have reversed the Dinkins income tax increases, which gave New Yawkers a paltry $200 million tax cut, but he did nothing to change the tax&spend/borrow&spend mindset of NYCITY`s liberal socialist government.
So you can spin, obfuscate and shill for Giuliani, give him all the political cover you can muster. You can deny his life long support for liberal issues and liberal causes. The fact remains Rudy is no conservative, never has been and never will be. His final fiscal record as mayor might impress moderates, centrists and liberals, but for conservatives it was abysmal. The Manhattan Institute gave a critique of that final record as mayor, and it was a devastating testament to his liberalism. It clearly spells out in no uncertain terms Rudy`s final fiscal record of big deficits ($2.0 billion), huge debts ($42 billion), spendthrift policies and out of control hiring practices that made liberal organs like the NEA and AFT overjoyed.
"The scope of government was not reduced at all. ..... money saved on social services has only helped to subsidize big increases in other categories. Today the array of social services sponsored and partially funded by the city—from day care to virtually guaranteed housing—is as wide as ever."
"In the final analysis, Mayor Giuliani sought to make the city deliver services more efficiently—not to make the city deliver fewer services. ..... the city instead failed to reduce spending."
"Even with the tax cuts of the last several years, New York remains by far the most heavily taxed big city in the country."
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Agreed. Giuliani wants to be president. To achieve that goal, he is willing to do what it takes.
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Ciao, baby.
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Amen.
Funny, I thought I never could vote for McCain, but Rudy has pulled off the impossible - he makes McCain look palatable by comparison.
I don't know anyone who's supporting Rudy who wouldn't vote for Thompson (for example) should he win the primary. Most (but certainly not all) would even happily vote for Hunter or Tancredo.
I'm solidly in Rudy's corner, and I'm looking forward to the day when he wins the primary that I can gloat over those who've been so viscious so early in this primary season. However, if by some stretch of the imagination it turns out to be Thompson or Gingrich, then it's all good. I will happily support either man in the general election, just not in the primary where my money is on another horse.
Good griff.
Seeing you supporting George Bush is like watching Geraldo Rivero complaining about mental patients not being locked up.
Truly amazing.
And you seem damn excited about it.
Just remember, you might be in the next go round.
Well, I do not for Democrats ever.
My voting status in my State is "unenrolled." I voted for Perot in 1992, and that was the sorriest vote that I ever cast. The 19 percent of us who protested the Bush tax increases by wasting our votes are likely all now properly in line.
Still, because I screwed up and got Clinton in back then, does not give the republicans a license to backslide.
I think that Guliani is a die hard lefty. McCain is a nut job. Romney is a very pragmatic person who got himself a few chips in the game at a great price.
Romney is the right guy to vote for so far in next years election. Perhaps someone better will come along, but we shall see.
Romney's worst flaw right now, is that he said enough crap to get himself elected here, and put off the problem of defending himself and his political posturing later, which is now.
Romney has got the inside track on this thing, and anybody who can not see it, is simply fooling themselves.
I still do not think that he is perfect, but who among us is?
Not to interupt your orgasmic glee that people are being banned, but what exactly do you think has been gained here? Do you honestly think that a single vote has been gained for the candidate of your choice here?
If I have to give anyone credit here, it's to Tommy Dale, who early on said that Rudy was too divisive and that he might cause a rift in the party that could cost us the election. I quite simply did not believe him, but now I'm given pause and I'm starting to think that Tommy just might have been right.
I've been a loyal republican since I cast my very first presidential vote for Ronald Reagan's second term. The idea of voting for a Democrat or helping a Democrat achieve office has never even entered my mind.
However, over this Rudy thing, I'm coming to hate some of you here on FR so much, that voting for a candidate you support, each day becomes increasingly more difficult to contemplate. What was once a given, is now up in the air. I can't believe my eyes half the time anymore. A freeper now even gets away with calling a woman a piece of ---- (that was Spiff btw)open in the forum without repurcussion. To be honest, I've had some misgivings about Rudy of late, but if you guys are the alternative, I'd just as soon fall on the sword.
Poor Melas..When all else fails, throw a temper tantrum..LOL.
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If Rudy wins the nomination, the factions won't be unified.
Hillary will then beat Rudy when just enough conservatives vote for some lame a$$, Johnny-come-lately third party candidate. Young liberal judges will picked and pre-born babies will continue to be exterminated for years to come.
Hopefully instead, Fred will get the nod.
No my friend, not a tantrum, but an honest assessment of the state of things. I ask again, what's been gained by this increasingly bitter feud? I've actually tried to rise above it, and I think my posting record stands testment to that. See, I did my best to be a gentleman and NOT trash anyone or get personal. I'm sorry you see that as worthy of derision.
Important principles may and must be inflexible.
— Abraham Lincoln
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits, who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in that grey twilight which knows not victory nor defeat!
— Teddy Roosevelt
God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.
— Daniel Webster
I haven’t decided whom to support, but if this forum doesn’t quit jumping around from candidate to candidate in search of the anti-Rudy, it’s going to face some problems.
And if the nominee is Rudy, then what?
This forum becomes a third party site and drives all the Republicans off?
The previous hero of this forum, Duncan Hunter, has less than $300,000 in his campaign account. Thompson has $0.
Duncan/Thompson 2008!
We need a John Stossel Reality Check.
I will vote for whoever the GOP nominates. But I fully understand Melas’s frustration. The incivility here is sickening.
Because now it's power over principle!
A glance at the actual people elected should show you there are few conservatives who pass muster with a majority of FR as such. Those who do are from isolated districts in a few states. Every conservative Senator lost his re-election. There are no real conservative governors. Bush initially won only because of the Electoral college and the Traitor running against him obtained the second highest vote total in US history.
Only 35% claim to be conservative and, of those, at best a third would be considered conservative at FR.
And Reagan wasn’t electable either.
With Liberal Giuliani as the GOP pick, I hope we get our arses kicked 'till our GOP noses bleed. As goes the Presidency, so goes the party - and I won't remain loyal to the party of abortionist gungrabbing queerbots. I didn't give in to those before Rudy - I ain't going to with him. Those who change their "position" to embrace liberalism just because Giuliani has an "R" behind his name prove to possess very shallow principles. Period.
Far more is at stake than an '08 presidency, indicating to both houses of Congress as to what is acceptable is by far more important to me than one office - even the executive office.
But the shortsighted only see the '08 presidential race as the most important thing. If losing over steadfastly held principle were weighed against sacrificing virtue for a perception of winning, give me the loss - I'll deal with it.
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