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Signs of Intelligence?(Fred on gun control)
4/20/2007 | Fred Dalton Thompson

Posted on 04/20/2007 4:04:44 AM PDT by Neville72

Signs of Intelligence?

One of the things that's got to be going through a lot of peoples' minds now is how one man with two handguns, that he had to reload time and time again, could go from classroom to classroom on the Virginia Tech campus without being stopped. Much of the answer can be found in policies put in place by the university itself.

Virginia, like 39 other states, allows citizens with training and legal permits to carry concealed weapons. That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk, joke and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms -- and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are difficult or impossible to obtain.

The statistics are clear. Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not. More to the point, incarcerated criminals tell criminologists that they consider local gun laws when they decide what sort of crime they will commit, and where they will do so.

Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us, as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon. Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.

In recent years, however, armed Americans -- not on-duty police officers -- have successfully prevented a number of attempted mass murders. Evidence from Israel, where many teachers have weapons and have stopped serious terror attacks, has been documented. Supporting, though contrary, evidence from Great Britain, where strict gun controls have led to violent crime rates far higher than ours, is also common knowledge.

So Virginians asked their legislators to change the university's "concealed carry" policy to exempt people 21 years of age or older who have passed background checks and taken training classes. The university, however, lobbied against that bill, and a top administrator subsequently praised the legislature for blocking the measure.

The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.

Despite such attitudes, average Americans have always made up the front line against crime. Through programs like Neighborhood Watch and Amber Alert, we are stopping and catching criminals daily. Normal people tackled "shoe bomber" Richard Reid as he was trying to blow up an airliner. It was a truck driver who found the D.C. snipers. Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that civilians use firearms to prevent at least a half million crimes annually.

When people capable of performing acts of heroism are discouraged or denied the opportunity, our society is all the poorer. And from the selfless examples of the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 to Virginia Tech professor Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself to save his students earlier this week, we know what extraordinary acts of heroism ordinary citizens are capable of.

Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense ideology. I respect their right to hold those views, but I challenge their decision to deny Americans the right to protect themselves on their campuses -- and then proudly advertise that fact to any and all.

Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.


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1 posted on 04/20/2007 4:04:45 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: Neville72

Wow! One POTUS candidate that gets it. Run Fred, please run. And he’s exactly right, gun free zones=free kill zones.


2 posted on 04/20/2007 4:10:36 AM PDT by LoneStarLegend78
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To: Neville72
Yes, the author is on solid ground here.

I went to look at the link, but I didn't see it?

3 posted on 04/20/2007 4:13:25 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Neville72

Yesterday there was some news coverage of the 2002 incident at a Virginia law school in which a shooter was stopped by three or four students, at least two of whom had retrieved handguns from their vehicles in the parking lot.

The perp surrendured to them once he realized they were armed, but unfortunately he’d already killed two or three people.


4 posted on 04/20/2007 4:16:29 AM PDT by angkor
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To: snowsislander
Here is the link to Thompson's Radio address text...

http://www.abcradio.com/blog.asp?id=15663

5 posted on 04/20/2007 4:17:23 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Neville72

And before anybody starts with “Giving guns to 18 year old beer-swilling frat boys?!?!”, keep in mind that most places you need to be 21 to get a CCW. This means we’re excluding most undergrads (beer swilling or not), and mainly talking about allowing FACULTY and grad students to carry.


6 posted on 04/20/2007 4:19:03 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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To: Neville72

BINGO!!!!!

let see fRutty attempt that one.

Fred just has it right in sooo many ways.....


7 posted on 04/20/2007 4:20:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Neville72; jellybean

“That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk, joke and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms — and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, NEW YORK CITY, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are difficult or impossible to obtain.” - Fred Thompson

TAKE THAT RUDY!


8 posted on 04/20/2007 4:35:52 AM PDT by RatsDawg
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To: Neville72

I’ve been waiting for a solid explanation as to why I should care about Fred Thompson’s presidential candidacy. It appears that I have just received one.


9 posted on 04/20/2007 4:48:20 AM PDT by Brouhaha
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To: Neville72
Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not.

Yep, they are much lower. But I wish Fred would user the correct terminology. No one, no community, no government "grants" Second Amendment Rights. They issue a permit to carry a hidden firearm in public.

10 posted on 04/20/2007 4:51:23 AM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, MMP AZ 2005, TxMMP El Paso Oct+April 2006 TxMMP Laredo - El Paso)
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To: Neville72

Bump for uncommon sense.


11 posted on 04/20/2007 4:51:53 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: RatsDawg

Where are the Rootybots? You know the ones that have been insisting that Fred is a closet RINO......like their man.

This commentary should end that notion for good.

Cheers for the 2nd amendment! Cheers for Fred Dalton Thompson!

RUN, FRED, RUN!!!!


12 posted on 04/20/2007 4:53:15 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

Good column. BTTT.


13 posted on 04/20/2007 4:57:32 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: angkor
When the dude went nuts in Austin, TX, and started shooting people from the bell tower at the U of T (with a Springfield bolt-action rifle, IIRC) the first response was from a couple of students who got their .22's out of their pickups and kept him pinned down until the cops got there.

That was back in the early 60's, mind you, when Austin and UT were still populated by real Texans.

14 posted on 04/20/2007 4:57:59 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: SauronOfMordor

Another argument: if we trust them to vote, what’s wrong with trusting them with firearms?


15 posted on 04/20/2007 5:00:13 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: Brouhaha

> That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. <

True enough.

But one should be aware that Virginia law prohibits concealed carry — even for permit holders — in restaurants and other establishments that have liquor licenses.

On the other hand, OPEN carry is perfectly legal in the same establishments!

So if a Virginia lady wants to bring a firearm into a restaurant that serves liquor, it’s OK unless the business owner says no.

BUT:

The restaurant patron will need to carry her firearm in plain sight. No concealment allowed!


16 posted on 04/20/2007 5:03:11 AM PDT by Hawthorn (duncanforprez + fredforveep = Hunter Thompson!)
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To: Brouhaha
I’ve been waiting for a solid explanation as to why I should care about Fred Thompson’s presidential candidacy. It appears that I have just received one.

There's another one, one that could be totally compelling: he's the only leading contender in either party to speak out, clearly and publicly, against the global warming scam. Indeed, my only doubt about him is that he supported the McCain-Finegold atrocity, an act he may be regretting.

17 posted on 04/20/2007 5:07:04 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: jellybean

FRed ping!

(And I think you can add me to the ping list now...)


18 posted on 04/20/2007 5:08:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (Al Gore is to Global Warming as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology)
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To: Neville72

Fred continues to impress


19 posted on 04/20/2007 5:11:27 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: SauronOfMordor

We give 18 year olds full autos in the military, and grenade launchers, SAMS, and artilery.


20 posted on 04/20/2007 5:16:20 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Neville72

Neville72 wrote: “Where are the Rootybots? You know the ones that have been insisting that Fred is a closet RINO......like their man.”

In all fairness, my friend, let’s not lay the entire package at the feet of Rudy’s supporters. First, not all Rudynistas are doing it. Also, some backers of Mitt Romney and Ron Paul are equally guilty of misrepresenting Fred Thompson’s stance on the issues.


21 posted on 04/20/2007 5:16:25 AM PDT by Josh Painter (Draft Fred Thompson: the grassroots "surge that will transform the Republican race." - The Hill)
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To: SauronOfMordor

If this had happened at the University of Missouri at Rolla, I suspect that the perp would have immediately been put down with a deer rifle or an arrow. And that’s a serious drinking school to boot.


22 posted on 04/20/2007 5:17:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: STARWISE; Graymatter; xsmommy; Howlin; jellybean; onyx; Sturm Ruger

“The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on “the authorities” for protection.” - Fred Thompson-

HONK!


23 posted on 04/20/2007 5:27:22 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet & FredFan)
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To: Neville72
Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not.

Love ya Fred but you missed the boat on this line. Communities can recognize or deny 2nd Amendment rights but they can't grant them.

Lest anyone think I am being too picky here, the Constitution does not grant rights. It merely enumerates and affirms rights that we hold irrespective of the Constitution.

We need to keep making this point over and over until people stop thinking that the government grants us ANYTHING. Government is, at its best, a necessary evil and at its worst, an intolerable one.

That said,

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

24 posted on 04/20/2007 5:31:10 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Neville72

People would never be willing to pay the taxes it would take for a government to fully protect a disarmed society from predators.


25 posted on 04/20/2007 5:43:39 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sings like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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To: NRA1995
People would never be willing to pay the taxes it would take for a government to fully protect a disarmed society from predators.

The same can be said for just about everything gubmint attempts to do. As I frequently tell folks who are against the notion of self protection, just because we hire a private security force, i.e., Police, it does not mean that we give up the right to self protection. The day we do is the day I leave....

26 posted on 04/20/2007 5:59:59 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Neville72
Communities that recognize and grant do not interfere with Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not.

Communities do not "grant" the right; they only interfere with it.

27 posted on 04/20/2007 6:03:14 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TAGLINE virus has been CURED!.)
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To: NRA1995
People would never be willing to pay the taxes it would take for a government to fully protect a disarmed society from predators.

Not even federal prisons are weapon or drug free. What makes us think that we can make a free society weapon or drug free without demolishing even the illusion of freedom?

28 posted on 04/20/2007 6:08:58 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: Neville72

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
Sigmund Freud

Now we know why most Dimocrats favor gun control.


29 posted on 04/20/2007 6:10:25 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Neville72

The only part I don’t like about all these proposals is that they’re linked to CCW, which require you to be on file with the govt. Though, I guess, if 60% of the public does it, it WOULD put the government on notice.


30 posted on 04/20/2007 6:21:21 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
The only part I don’t like about all these proposals is that they’re linked to CCW, which require you to be on file with the govt. Though, I guess, if 60% of the public does it, it WOULD put the government on notice.

Excellent point. Mary Carpenter has been through that crucible and back

Mary Carpenter In Her Own Words about gun control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73pWPAYg0g

http://www.grnc.org/mary_carpenter_letter.htm

Mary Carpenter's letter to the North Carolina General Assembly:

All the gun laws you can imagine cannot change the heart of a killer and you know it.

Until man's heart is changed, we will be like sheep led to the slaughter without our weapons of defense.

May you stand before God and man as my two precious grandchildren's killer if you pass any more gun legislation that will make me a felon should I own a handgun or any other gun for that matter.

31 posted on 04/20/2007 6:34:55 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Neville72

I just heard Mike Gallagher and Chris Wallace debating this issue on Mike’s show. Wallace said something like “so we should just have everyone in class packing?” Gallagher disappointed me by responding with “well, if the weapons in a safe place...” No, no, no, Mike.


32 posted on 04/20/2007 6:48:58 AM PDT by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: Neville72; Howlin; carlo3b; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us, as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon. Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.

An armed society is a polite society.


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33 posted on 04/20/2007 6:55:15 AM PDT by jellybean (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT! Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: LonePalm

LOL!! LOVE that graphic!


34 posted on 04/20/2007 6:56:08 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Neville72

Red State America?, What we need is a FRED STATE AMERICA

RUN FRED RUN!


35 posted on 04/20/2007 6:59:19 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: kevkrom; Howlin
(And I think you can add me to the ping list now...)

It's official then -- You're a FRedHead! :)

36 posted on 04/20/2007 6:59:46 AM PDT by jellybean (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT! Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Neville72

I HOPE this guy RUNS - NOW.


37 posted on 04/20/2007 7:00:11 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: LonePalm

Is that a bumper sticker? I love it.


38 posted on 04/20/2007 7:01:40 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Neville72

This is perhaps the best summary of the concealed carry issue with respect to the VT killings.

And it is from a VIABLE LIKELY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!!!!


39 posted on 04/20/2007 7:04:40 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Copernicus
The most compelling testimony I ever saw for the right to bear arms was from the woman whose mother and father were killed in Luby's Cafeteria in Texas. Her first name was Suzanne, but I can't for the life of me remember her last name right now. She was testifying before some Senate committee, and she pointed at snarky UpChuck Schumer, and told him that she held him, and everyone who agreed with his ideas, PERSONALLY responsible for the death of her parents.

She had a permit to carry a weapon, but because of the laws of Texas, she was not allowed to carry it in her purse into the restaurant. Thus, she, being a law abiding cityzen, her parents, and all the other patrons that night were captive to this one lone nut with a gun. The most emotional part of her testimony was when she talked about how the man walked up and just shot her Dad point blank, then walked away, shooting others. At one point, one of the shots had broken a window, and people began running out. She grabbed her mother and started running, but her mother broke away, and went back to her husband's body, at which point, the man came back over and shot her, too.

I was just in tears by the end of her testimony before the Senate Committee, and truly wished I could have reached through the TV to slap the snot out of Schumer, who was so condescending toward her.

40 posted on 04/20/2007 7:06:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NavyCanDo
"FRED STATE AMERICA" Now that is a bumper sticker!!
41 posted on 04/20/2007 7:11:11 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SuziQ
Definitely Suzanna Gratia Hupp, former Texas Legislator and driving force behind the modern CCW movement.

That video in online somewhere.

Best regards,

42 posted on 04/20/2007 7:21:01 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: SuziQ
The most compelling testimony I ever saw for the right to bear arms was from the woman whose mother and father were killed in Luby's Cafeteria in Texas. Her first name was Suzanne, but I can't for the life of me remember her last name right now. She was testifying before some Senate committee, and she pointed at snarky UpChuck Schumer, and told him that she held him, and everyone who agreed with his ideas, PERSONALLY responsible for the death of her parents.

You would be thinking of Suzanna Gratia Hupp - Check wikipedia.com for a profile on her.

43 posted on 04/20/2007 7:23:26 AM PDT by Skibane
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To: Neville72

What a great article! Can you provide me with the source, please?


44 posted on 04/20/2007 8:08:06 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: OKSooner
Might try this Charles Whitman and the Texas Tower
45 posted on 04/20/2007 8:09:44 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Thompson '08)
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To: Neville72
Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.

This is a very important, profound difference in Liberal vs. Conservative thinking.

46 posted on 04/20/2007 8:10:21 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: Neville72
The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.

This dude really, really gets it. If he doesn't run, I'll barf.

47 posted on 04/20/2007 8:12:17 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: Brouhaha; jellybean; Howlin
I’ve been waiting for a solid explanation as to why I should care about Fred Thompson’s presidential candidacy. It appears that I have just received one.

Great to hear! Jellybean and Howlin have a great ping list if you're interested in joining.

48 posted on 04/20/2007 8:13:40 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: Neville72
Here, the drivel is about everyone being armed will not make us safer. The emotional hysteria from some is they do not want guns around their kids.

I have explained that CCW permit holders go through a lot of instruction, a majority of it in the law and how it affects them. That plus the cost deter a lot of people from even applying for the permit.

Once they understand this, most of them realize that there are a LOT of us carrying or have the opportunity to carry. It is a revelation when they realize I am standing next to them, armed, trained, and willing.

Fred hits it right on the head with the 'Gun-Free Zones', as in no weapons within 1000 yards of a school. People I know that live across the street from a school and are collecters and shooters had to get a special waiver to live in thier own homes.

My nightmare is how vulnerable every school has become, elementary, middle, high school.

49 posted on 04/20/2007 8:17:38 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Thompson '08)
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To: areafiftyone; FairOpinion

ping


50 posted on 04/20/2007 8:19:27 AM PDT by Doofer
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