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Report On Haditha Condemns Marines
Washington Post ^ | April 21st 2007 | Staff Writer

Posted on 04/21/2007 2:27:37 AM PDT by Cardhu

Report On Haditha Condemns Marines
Signs of Misconduct Were Ignored, U.S. General Says

By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 21, 2007; A01

The Marine Corps chain of command in Iraq ignored "obvious" signs of "serious misconduct" in the 2005 slayings of two dozen civilians in Haditha, and commanders fostered a climate that devalued the life of innocent Iraqis to the point that their deaths were considered an insignificant part of the war, according to an Army general's investigation.

Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell's 104-page report on Haditha is scathing in its criticism of the Marines' actions, from the enlisted men who were involved in the shootings on Nov. 19, 2005, to the two-star general who commanded the 2nd Marine Division in Iraq at the time. Bargewell's previously undisclosed report, obtained by The Washington Post, found that officers may have willfully ignored reports of the civilian deaths to protect themselves and their units from blame. Though Bargewell found no specific coverup, he concluded that there also was no interest at any level in investigating allegations of a massacre.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: defendourmarines; haditha; iraq; marines

1 posted on 04/21/2007 2:27:41 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Bargewell


2 posted on 04/21/2007 3:25:14 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Cardhu

Could we please get on with winning the war and stop contemplating our navels?


3 posted on 04/21/2007 4:23:10 AM PDT by RoadTest (Get our Marines out of Pendleton's Kangaroo court!)
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To: Cardhu

Typical Army attitude toward the more aggressive Marines. What a Wuss!


4 posted on 04/21/2007 4:30:24 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Cardhu
Bargewell's previously undisclosed report ...

Either this report was out and it's a WP attempt to throw fuel on an old fire, or Bargwell is
plagiarizing existing reports that have been out for months. There is nothing new here ...

5 posted on 04/21/2007 4:35:26 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BnBlFlag

Barracks chatter.


6 posted on 04/21/2007 4:47:03 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Cardhu

This is bullsh*t. Some General. Wonder if the general was/is combat arms or some remf puke? Disgusting, oh and screw the washington piss.


7 posted on 04/21/2007 4:49:01 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Cardhu

What’s the deal with this army general and why is he involved with the Marines?

Is this a hit piece and is he authorized to conduct an investigation?


8 posted on 04/21/2007 4:53:13 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Ice-cubes melting in the sun is an act of God. Get over it, Gore.)
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To: BluH2o; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...
Alleged alternate titles:

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Hard On For U. S. Marines

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Armchair General Extraordinaire

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Likes to Play Dirty with U.S. Marines

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Massacres Marines

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Ambushes, Fires RPGs , Hurls Grenades, Ignites IEDs and Incendiary Devices at U.S. Marines

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, jack murtha's Bitch

Josh White, Washington Post staff reporter, Reporting Live for alQaeda

9 posted on 04/21/2007 4:53:51 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: imahawk

Why don’t you take a moment to find out what his background is before making idiotic remarks?


10 posted on 04/21/2007 4:57:59 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: freema

Oops. I forgot the /sarc tag.


11 posted on 04/21/2007 5:04:41 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: BnBlFlag
Yeah, he's a real unqualified wuss. He, who has actual fatual documention relating to the incident and how it was treated, knows nothing compared to the Internet warriros here on FR (puke). Here is part of his bio from wikipedia. Now please STFU...

During the Vietnam War Bargewell was a non-commissioned officer in the secret unit MACV-SOG and received a Distinguished Service Cross for his actions. [5] He then received his officer's commission in 1973. [6] Bargewell has also served as a member of the 75th Ranger Regiment, [7] a former commander Delta Force at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, [8] [9] commander of US Special Operations Command Europe, [10] assistant chief of staff for SFOR military operations in Sarajevo, [11] and the director of the center operations, plans, and policies of US Special Operations Command.

12 posted on 04/21/2007 5:05:51 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: sergeantdave

Because of the joint nature of Combatant Commands.


13 posted on 04/21/2007 5:09:44 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
You're right, leadpenny. Gen. Bargewell shouldn't be attacked. But I don't trust the WaPo's summary of the report. As with the leaked NCIS report of the Haditha investigation, the WaPo is very selective with the facts.

What strikes me is that the leaks have started up again--months after Gen. Mattis order an IG investigation into the leaks of last Fall and Winter. Wonder why?

14 posted on 04/21/2007 5:12:00 AM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

“Wonder why?”

I don’t know, but I’ve suspected in the past the leaks are deliberate. And I think the reason that happens, if it does, is to control the timing of bad news that’s going to come out anyway.


15 posted on 04/21/2007 5:19:56 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: freema

Amazing how the Washington Post receives these timely leaks from someone(s) interested in prosecuting the Haditha Marines.

This 104 page report ....”has not been publicly released because of ongoing criminal investigations of three Marines on murder allegations and four Marine officers who allegedly failed to look into the case.”....”Bargewell’s report, now unclassified, focuses on the reporting of the incident and the training and command climate within the Marine Corps leadership; it does not address the actual incident in detail.”...

Just when the outlook for the Haditha Marines’s cases was looking brighter (w/re to their prosecution), someone(s) gives the WaPo this report.

Wonder how that investigation into the original leak of the 10,000 page NCIS report to the WaPo is going? Must not be going very well since the Bargewell report has been leaked now.


16 posted on 04/21/2007 5:22:27 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: leadpenny

Well do you know? And whats with a general officer slagging off fellow soldiers/Marines?Just remember Generals are political promotions.Nuff said.


17 posted on 04/21/2007 5:25:45 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Girlene; RedRover

New NC County Times Article:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04/21/news/top_stories/1_02_204_20_07.txt

And, look at this, reporting is all over the place.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wn&ncl=1115446555


18 posted on 04/21/2007 5:27:08 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

Good finds, freema. Things are heating up in the Haditha case. The WaPo writes an article “Report On Haditha Condemns Marines”. The North County Times posts an article “Immunity grants may signal problems with Haditha prosecution”. Interesting difference between just the titles of the two articles.

According to the North County Times via AP, we now learn of another Marine who is granted immunity - Lance Cpl. Humberto Mendoza. This article even says Mendoza killed two from the houses that day. We knew about the one that he allegedly shot from the second house. Wonder if he is also responsible for the other death in which no unpremeditated murder charges was preferred?

So now it’s been reported Dela Cruz, Lt. Kallop, Mendoza, and a Marine intelligence officer all have immunity. Getting interesting.


19 posted on 04/21/2007 5:56:08 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: freema
All wonderful titles...you should go into journalism!

You KNOW which one is my favorite!

20 posted on 04/21/2007 6:32:18 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Girlene

Amazing. They have their spin, regardless of news from the trial. We are going to have to tighten the lible law so the press can’t smear people with such reckless disregard. Now, they get away with anything.


21 posted on 04/21/2007 6:35:03 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Girlene
This 104 page report ....”has not been publicly released because of ongoing criminal investigations of three Marines ...
Just when the outlook for the Haditha Marines’s cases was looking brighter...someone(s) gives the WaPo this report.

There you have it! Publicly releasing the report with a dubious title, giving the impression the Marines are guilty, at exactly the same time cracks in the prosecution are being reported.

The prosecution in the court of public opinion continues.

22 posted on 04/21/2007 6:41:12 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: ClaireSolt

Well, the trials haven’t officially begun, except for those in the press. The WaPo article, “Report on Haditha Condems Marines” is offset by another article by North County Times, “Immunity Grants May Signal Problems with Haditha Prosecution”. (current thread here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821166/posts

I guess it just depends which news outlet you believe w/re to how it’s going for the Haditha Marines.


23 posted on 04/21/2007 6:47:35 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Just A Nobody

“The prosecution in the court of public opinion continues”

Agree. That’s why I think it’s important the defense (the civilian attys) keeps up the pressure for their side of the Marines’ cases.


24 posted on 04/21/2007 6:50:24 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
I think it’s important the defense (the civilian attys) keeps up the pressure for their side of the Marines’ cases.

Totally agree and am thrilled they are putting out these press releases!

25 posted on 04/21/2007 6:57:47 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: imahawk

Agreed. This piece is total bullsh!t.

In order to read it accurately, one must separate
1.the “objective” remarks made by the ARMY General
2.toward the MARINE CORPS from the
3.context in which it was written by this particular reporter


26 posted on 04/21/2007 7:30:46 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: sergeantdave

“What’s the deal with this army general and why is he involved with the Marines?”

Good question. Because of the joint nature of combatant commands, will Army personnel soon begin running MCRDs at Parris Island and San Diego?

“Is this a hit piece and is he authorized to conduct an investigation?”

Yes, google this reporter’s body of work, and yes.


27 posted on 04/21/2007 7:34:41 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: leadpenny

LOL!


28 posted on 04/21/2007 7:35:34 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema; Just A Nobody
Though Bargewell found no specific coverup, he concluded that there also was no interest at any level in investigating allegations of a massacre.

This a$$hat Josh White takes this report and correctly states that Gen Bargewell concluded there was no specific coverup then picks it apart with a series of comments in the report to imply that there was, which of course he personally is convinced of.

Perhaps the Marine officers lack of interest in further investigation that this may have been a massacre was because they believed the rules of engagement were followed and there was no criminal intent on the part of the enlisted personnel involved. Of course that wouldn't fit into White's contention that these Marines are murderers.

The results of General Bargewell's report were leaked months ago and it was known that he found no coverup. The NCIS's investigation evidently is responsible for the charges being brought against the four Marine officers so White should give it a rest as far as Bargewell's report goes.

29 posted on 04/21/2007 8:11:57 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

30 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:34 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Just A Nobody

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0305072inside1.jpg


31 posted on 04/21/2007 9:20:53 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: RoadTest
Could we please get on with winning the war and stop contemplating our navels?

Investigating the possible wrongful killing of civilians is "contemplating our navels"? I don't think so. How are we going to win a war in another country if it is perceived that we don't care if we are killing their civilians . It is getting harder not to look like an occupying force. Ignoring something like this and ASSUMING it is not important just helps us lose the war.

How are we going to win this war? By killing all the insurgents? That won't happen. Right now we are creating more insurgents than we are killing.

32 posted on 04/21/2007 12:32:19 PM PDT by Semper ( Conceived, motivated and guided by God.)
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To: freema; RedRover; lilycicero

Here’s the latest article from North County Times on Gen. Bargewell’s report, “Haditha report faults officers” http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/04/21/news/breaking/87_65_433_21_07.txt

..”The report’s conclusions were reported by the New York Times and Washington Post which said they had obtained copies of the 103-page document. The Marine Corps has not made the document public.”....

Okay’s who’s the leaker this time? Let me guess, same one(s) who leaked the 10,000 page NCIS report? But back to the article, who does the Bargewell report actually criticize?

...”Brian Rooney, an attorney for the highest-ranking officer charged in the case, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, said Saturday that he believes the report actually helps exonerate his client.

“Lt. Col. Chessani went to the battlefield that night and the next day and reported up the chain what he knew,” Rooney said.

The Bargewell document faults the Marine division commander, Maj. Gen. Richard A. Huck, and the regimental commander, Col. Stephen W. Davis, for failing to investigate the civilian deaths, according to the Post and Times reports. Neither of those men was accused of any criminal wrongdoing.”....

Hmmm. Interesting if you can take the word of the Post and Times reports. Am I right that Maj. Gen. Huck retired ahortly after this stuff hit the fan last summer?


33 posted on 04/21/2007 2:07:07 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Very interesting. I hadn’t realized it was in the NY Times as well. What a busy little leaker! Wasn’t Huck commander of the 2d Marines at Lejeune? Ma will know about him. I’d look it up myself but it’s a beautiful day and the missus just announced she wants to be taken to Carvel’s.


34 posted on 04/21/2007 2:49:44 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Girlene; freema
I looked at the NY Times article and they said the Bargewell report "was recently declassified".

So I guess this wasn't technically a leak. I wrote Josh White to tell him he's a complete bastard anyway.

35 posted on 04/21/2007 4:17:11 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

The report may have been declassified but ...”The Marine Corps has not made the document public.”....

So either the NYT and WaPo got it through a FOIA (if that’s possible and this soon) or it was still leaked. They didn’t say. My feeling is if it was obtained by a FOIA, they would have stated it. That takes a bit more work and time.


36 posted on 04/21/2007 4:46:29 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: RedRover; Girlene

damn. just damn. what if this is all payback for huck dropping pantano’s charges. jesus, mary and joseph.


37 posted on 04/21/2007 5:04:18 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Girlene

Whether it’s declassified or not, somebody made sure the WaPo got it first—and exclusively. The NC Times said there’ll be a full story tomorrow.


38 posted on 04/21/2007 5:26:08 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Looking forward to a full story on the “leak” or whatever it was. Just the fact that someone made sure WaPo got it first tells one something about the intent of the “leaker”/provider of info.


39 posted on 04/21/2007 6:01:11 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: freema

Is Huck retired now, ma?


40 posted on 04/21/2007 6:09:29 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Girlene

And I wonder where are we with the IG leak investigation? I e-mailed the IG’s office twice to inquire but I imagine my missives were sent off to e-mail heaven on arrival.


41 posted on 04/21/2007 6:12:55 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: freema
Josh White: Leak Sponge
42 posted on 04/21/2007 6:14:45 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Is Huck retired now, ma?

Yes, he’s retired. Don’t have backup right now, but I checked earlier to check my posting... and he is.


43 posted on 04/21/2007 7:16:39 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene; RedRover

I’m sorry, I just spent an awful lot of time trying to get a list of dates all together for you and my rifle jammed.

Huck was responsible for dropping the charges (based on the investigating officers findings) against Pantano, and was the “responsible party” for these Marines.


44 posted on 04/21/2007 7:25:36 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

Well, the NCIS now spins the Pantano case as proof that they’re just super. The spokesman for NCIS told me so himself. (Behind the scenes may be a different story.)


45 posted on 04/21/2007 7:37:08 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Of course they do. Say one thing, do it, then say another.

I’m so mad my computer froze. I was looking at the line up of events from Pantano on, and who ‘retired’ and when. And now I can’t keep my eyes open : (

I’m gonna hit it, Red. Hope your ice cream was good!


46 posted on 04/21/2007 8:11:16 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

It was digusting. Oh, the things we do for love. Sweet dreams, sweetie!


47 posted on 04/21/2007 8:17:06 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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