Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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George Allen made the same mistake that Imus made. While unlike Imus, George Allen was not being racist, however he caved too easily to the liberal media and the rest of his campaign became nothing but an “Im sorry” tour.
BY your deluded wisdom? LOL!!
“So, does perfect become the enemy of as good as we’re likely to get?”
I suppose Rudy and McPain are perfection in your eyes/
Both are PRO homosexual.
Both have NO time for guns.
Both are PRO abortion.
Both are socialists.
Both are EXTREME social liberals.
Hardly candidates I’d even want to shake hands with or be associated with. If you took a moment to be honest, you’d see the difference between them and Demoncrats is so small it’s not worth dickering over.
The only perfect candidate would be Christ so DO brush up on your rationalization arguments. It stinks.
As for me and others, we’ll vote for conservatives and not speed up the decline of the country - to your chagrin.
Good observation. Last year freepers complained about the spending by Congressional Republicans but this year their concern seems to be abortion to the exclusion of everything else.
It's so interesting that Newt Gingrich's Contract With America didn't mention abortion and yet it's now all these so called perfect conservatives can talk about.
So are you suggesting, somehow, that Souter is a better justice because he is not quite as liberal as Ginsberg?
When has he ever issued a ruling that countered hers?
Someone posted you just banned quidnunc after nine years. Or is someone just spreading socialist, tyrannical, totalitarian rumors?
What you said. I used to call myself a broken glass Republican. Frankly, since 1996, when Bob Dole was nominated because it was his turn, (an honest guy, I believe, but no conservative) who had no fire in his belly to run for President, we got 4 more years of klintoon. Heck, even in 2000, GWB was the best the ‘pubs could come up with? Now, the old Rockefeller, country club wing is in charge. God help us and this nation.
Last few weeks?
Try last few months.
I almost quit this forum because it started getting as ‘liberal’ as some of the ‘unmentionable’ ones.
Jim is the only reason I stay.
My thoughts exactly. No, wait... isn’t this JimRob’s forum? ;-)
>If the party nominates a condidate that alienates and drives away a significant portion of the base, that’s the fault of the party....<
Exactly! Send your money directly to your candidate. Do NOT send money to the Republican National Committee!
How do you rank Romney?
How do you rank Romney?
Main Entry: so·cial·ism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
“And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat”
Ah, the last fall back of the rudy supporters. He’ll be tough on terror, yada yada yada.
However, besides kicking arafat ouf of a concert, what foreign policy experience does he possess?
Rudy was mayor of NY on 9/11. That’s his big selling point. However ot’s not a qualification to be CiC.
Just not sure if your intention is to kick out any differing views here on FR.
Also thought the timing odd, right after hitting the campaign mark.
I don't support Giuliani. However, I see 'anyone' LEFT of Duncan Hunter painted as a left wing, RINO, commie Marxist by some on FR.
I personally appreciate Freepers making their case for their candidates. All too often turning into a negative slam fest and name calling.
And I will vote for whatever REPUB candidate that goes against Hillary/Obama.
Sorry to but in, but I don't think Hillary is as bad as she thinks she is.
Besides, if we could find a person who can convey the Conservative message like Reagan did, that person would probably win as many States as Reagan did.
It is about the issues. The person who can convince the American people that he/she can protect those issues, that person will win the election.
Hillary, Hussein, or any other Goreish candidate can not and will not protect issues like Security, Guns, God, and babies. This is what separates the liberals from the Conservatives.
If you don't give the Conservatives a reason to go to the voting booth, they my not show up. Check the '06 election and Border Security.
The media is about as right on Rudy as they were on Coward Dean. It is OK. Relax. Do not fear Hillary that much.
Sorry for the doubledouble postpost.
This is the clinton derangement syndrome. You’d rather have a TRAINED MONKEY running the country than Hillary Clinton?
I’d vote for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama, and probably over Al Gore. Maybe even John Kerry.
I think I’d go for Bill Richardson over Hillary, and I might go for Edwards over Hillary.
Focus on the PROBLEM. It’s not Hillary, it’s the republican party abandoning it’s principles in the attempt to hold power, and as a result losing both.
Power comes from a firm commitment to sound principles that resonate because they work.
Reagan won NOT by becoming what the country wanted, but by making conservatism WHAT the country wanted.
The possibility of Fred Thompson is that he might be able to convey the conservative message in a way that will again convince the american people to embrace what is right, and good, and proper — strong conservative values.
Don’t be a defeatist. Don’t run to the front of the mob and pretend you are leading them. You lead them to their death. Instead, illuminate the truth, show them the right path, lead the way.
If we choose Rudy, we will be betraying the country, by leading them in the wrong direction. To do so just for ephemeral power is wrong. Better to have Hillary, at least we will have done what we could to lead people in the right direction.
Say no to defeatism.
Say no to those who claim conservatism has no power, that people are too stupid to see what is right.
Say no to those who say we must settle for a pro-abortion candidate to stop another pro-abortion candidate.
Say no to those who say the american people have abandoned conservatism and we must get used to it.
Say no to those who would surrender without a fight.
Say no to a false compromise which leads the country in the wrong direction.
Say no to defeatism.
Would you rather go 1 for 2 or 0 for 2 on Supreme Court nominees? That’s the practical issue we’re going to face if Rudy becomes the nominee and faces Hillary!, Obama or Edwards. And, unfortunately, I don’t see any viable conservative presidential candidate except for maybe Fred Thompson - who so far, isn’t running.
Don’t worry, Murry Mom’s account is still open.
In a New York minute. I know the famous words by Ben Franklin, but the founders could never have imagined an enemy as brutal and relentless as these murderous thugs who had just as soon cut off our heads as spit on us. Yes, I would vote for Attila the Hun, if he was a strong leader and would fight the IslamoThugs with all his might.
“So you prefer Hillary, then?” -quidnunc (Since 1998-09-15)
...”Up yours asswipe.” -Jim Robinson
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.... if they are promoting ANYTHING favorable to that stealth-'Rat/RINO-Rudy, they've got no business here...
Well, if Jim wants this to be a "Rudy-free-site" or an "anti-Rudy-site" - he should state that policy and apply it.
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JimRob is doing some spring cleaning. Kewl.
That is what is happening now. How do we change the course of our our electorate if we don't vote our convictions?
How does it help to educate the electorate and then only give them the choice between liberal and not-quite-as-liberal?
Right now, there are very few politicans who are truly public servants. They are there for their own good, both democrat and republican. And the parties only exist to be in power. When was the last time the Republican party cut off funding to a liberal incumbant?
Click on his post or name; he’s banned.
“I was about to ask if there was a single person on this thread that had even the vaguest idea of what the actual definition of socialism was.”
On FR it means anybody that is not a total religious social conservative.
Barry Goldwater, grandfather of the conservative movement, would not be popular on FR today. He came from the western libertarian faction of conservatism, like Milton Friedman.
Geeez Jim, Chill Out!!
Fred Thompson is coming to save the day!
Bump to your post.
You are promoting a liberal’s liberal. He’s an east coast metrosexual cross dresser. Oly Snowe is probably more of a conservative than your friend, Rudy. The only way I want him inside the White House is taking the tour with other civilians.
I don’t need to bring up abortion, and I can spend the rest of the day telling you why Giuliani is the pits.
If Reagan can win 49 states, why can't Fred?
Murry Moms account is still open.
I don't think claiming Jim would forfeit his duty and honor if he refuses to vote for Rudy is a good idea, or a fair statement. The man has earned the right to not vote for people he finds offensive to his principles, and you have not earned the right to question his commitment to duty and honor.
Frankly, I'm surprised you survived.
“Well, if Jim wants this to be a “Rudy-free-site” or an “anti-Rudy-site” - he should state that policy and apply it.”
If you had been reading any of his threads then you would know that he HAS stated that policy, and IS applying it.
It’s been the stated policy of FR from the beginning.
Exhibit A of what constitutes intelligent conversation these days.
“Youre delusional. Rudy doesnt go to the right even 10% of the time.”
So I must conclude that for you, national security-going against islamofascism is below 10 percent?
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Oh gee whiz. Another long time favorite of mine is gone. Hee hee.
Yeah, it's always good strategy to let your enemies win by walking of the field. Then they get to set the rules for next time around. Oh Wait! Look whose in control of the Senate and House now.
Bottom line, Rudy is a survivable presidency for the US. A democrat with a probable demcrat house and senate is not.
If Rudy wins the primary, then you must support him.
If Rudy wins the primary, and you support the democrat or an unelectable 3rd party, then I am out of here and probably more than just me because we love the US, and opposing Rudy after the primary is supporting the destruction of the US as we know it.
You and your compatriots on this site have done a lot to effect the political process in this country for good. I’m truly grateful to you for that.
Stick to your guns, pray for God’s help and don’t back down.
Not now. Not ever.
Glad you like it. It’s also true.
First off I observe Rudy running ahaead of the others in opinion polls of REPUBLICANS right now. Unless someone else beats him among republicans he will get nominated. Personally, I would prefer to see Thompson win but he might not.
IF Rudy is nominated, allowing a Hilary or Obama to win, possibly with a dem Congress, is national suicide. You will get pure pro abortion, etc policies PLUS no sensible war on terror.
So if Rudy gets nominated I will vote for him. For the war, also because he promises to nominate conservative judges. And a reason seldom mentioned: He is strong against crime. Turning the US Attorneys over to Hilary would be a disaster. I'm not pushing Rudy, just explaining why I would vote for him IF it is Hilary vs. Rudy. But I admit that for conservatives it is very strange to see Rudy running strong in republican polls.
Dang, we got ourselves a bruhaha.
All we need now to confirm it is a Rudybot poster or two to write some sanctimonious bs and announce they are leaving because the Freeper board is becoming...er...umm...
Fred would have a decent chance in the general election - Hilary and Obama are not strong candidates - which is why I strongly suspect Edwards gets the nomination.
Gingrich, Hunter, et. al. wouldn’t have the slightest chance.
“Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?”
Free Republic might, but I never will.
I just posted this but earlier I’ll move it to a more current thread
I dont think it will be one of the dim leaders. I think its becoming clear that hillaries negatives are too high and the electorate wont go for a lightweight like Obama.
Look for Gore to step in later this summer. for the good of the party. He will be able to unify the moonbat wing and the rank and file....the whole dim party. Also there will be no Nader. Remember he already won the poler vote acting like like a 2nd grade teacher. I watched 10 minutes of his movie last nite and though I disagree with it I was impressed how warm and polished he came off. Hes a LOT BETTER then he was in 2000.
Hes gonna be really tough to beat. Im not sure Rudy...Thompson..or Romney can beat him. As for the rest of the Repub nominees....forgetaboutit.
I like all three of our guys.
What worries me about Romney is that hes too slick by a half but Im open.....
What worries me about Thompson (if he runs} does he have the fire to take on Gore? Also does he have the temperament to take on his own party? I worry that he could be another W. Say all the right things but be too much of a good ol boy and not be enough of a an asskicker to really slap around his former senate colleagues regarding earmarks...entitlement reform...tax reform...energy policy...the border...tort reform all the things that W with all three branches of government failed miserably on.
Though I’m also open.
Rudy does have that temperament. He slapped around the establishment in NYCity and its in his nature to do it again in Washington. Im not worried about Rudy on the border the chaos down there should inflame his law and order sensibilities and I think he would clamp down. Currently he is the only one talking about are insane tax code and considering a flat tax....wonderful. He also brings up vouchers...great. He also talks about drilling in the gulf when all the other pols are worring about losing FLA...more great
That leaves guns and abortion that is judges. Rudy knows that to accomplish cleaning up our fiscal mess and waging war on our Islamic enemies not to mention holding off the dims and the MSM he will need the base including the socons firmly in his camp. I would expect him to give on those....
If he tried to pull something like nominating a Souter it would ignite a firestorm that would make the Miers pick look like nothing. He is not stupid enough to take on his own base when his plate will already be full.
If someone would like to discuss this with me instead of spamming me or insulting me Id like that.