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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

George Allen made the same mistake that Imus made. While unlike Imus, George Allen was not being racist, however he caved too easily to the liberal media and the rest of his campaign became nothing but an “Im sorry” tour.


151 posted on 04/21/2007 7:23:39 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: quidnunc
“Like it or not, the candidates preferred by this board — Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, et al — are certain losers.”

BY your deluded wisdom? LOL!!

“So, does perfect become the enemy of as good as we’re likely to get?”

I suppose Rudy and McPain are perfection in your eyes/

Both are PRO homosexual.

Both have NO time for guns.

Both are PRO abortion.

Both are socialists.

Both are EXTREME social liberals.

Hardly candidates I’d even want to shake hands with or be associated with. If you took a moment to be honest, you’d see the difference between them and Demoncrats is so small it’s not worth dickering over.

The only perfect candidate would be Christ so DO brush up on your rationalization arguments. It stinks.

As for me and others, we’ll vote for conservatives and not speed up the decline of the country - to your chagrin.

152 posted on 04/21/2007 7:23:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: truth_seeker
And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat.

Good observation. Last year freepers complained about the spending by Congressional Republicans but this year their concern seems to be abortion to the exclusion of everything else.

It's so interesting that Newt Gingrich's Contract With America didn't mention abortion and yet it's now all these so called perfect conservatives can talk about.

153 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:02 PM PDT by Peach
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To: GovernmentShrinker

So are you suggesting, somehow, that Souter is a better justice because he is not quite as liberal as Ginsberg?

When has he ever issued a ruling that countered hers?


154 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:11 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: Jim Robinson

Someone posted you just banned quidnunc after nine years. Or is someone just spreading socialist, tyrannical, totalitarian rumors?


155 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:14 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Jim Robinson

What you said. I used to call myself a broken glass Republican. Frankly, since 1996, when Bob Dole was nominated because it was his turn, (an honest guy, I believe, but no conservative) who had no fire in his belly to run for President, we got 4 more years of klintoon. Heck, even in 2000, GWB was the best the ‘pubs could come up with? Now, the old Rockefeller, country club wing is in charge. God help us and this nation.


156 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:21 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: MamaB; Jim Robinson

Last few weeks?

Try last few months.

I almost quit this forum because it started getting as ‘liberal’ as some of the ‘unmentionable’ ones.

Jim is the only reason I stay.


157 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:26 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Jim Robinson
If when November 08 rolls around and my only choices are to vote for Giuliani, vote for Hillary/Obama, or go deer hunting, look for me somewhere in the Rockies.
158 posted on 04/21/2007 7:24:37 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: VaRepublican

My thoughts exactly. No, wait... isn’t this JimRob’s forum? ;-)


159 posted on 04/21/2007 7:25:36 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: rottndog

>If the party nominates a condidate that alienates and drives away a significant portion of the base, that’s the fault of the party....<

Exactly! Send your money directly to your candidate. Do NOT send money to the Republican National Committee!


160 posted on 04/21/2007 7:25:49 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Jim Robinson

How do you rank Romney?


161 posted on 04/21/2007 7:25:56 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I finally see the dawn arrivin' I see beyond the road I'm drivin' Far away and left behind)
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To: Jim Robinson

How do you rank Romney?


162 posted on 04/21/2007 7:25:57 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I finally see the dawn arrivin' I see beyond the road I'm drivin' Far away and left behind)
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To: GSlob

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: ‘sO-sh&-”li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


163 posted on 04/21/2007 7:26:26 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: truth_seeker

“And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat”

Ah, the last fall back of the rudy supporters. He’ll be tough on terror, yada yada yada.

However, besides kicking arafat ouf of a concert, what foreign policy experience does he possess?

Rudy was mayor of NY on 9/11. That’s his big selling point. However ot’s not a qualification to be CiC.


164 posted on 04/21/2007 7:26:37 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I don't get the point of the post... I understand the importance of the conservative priciples... and I agree with most of the positions you laid out.

Just not sure if your intention is to kick out any differing views here on FR.

Also thought the timing odd, right after hitting the campaign mark.

I don't support Giuliani. However, I see 'anyone' LEFT of Duncan Hunter painted as a left wing, RINO, commie Marxist by some on FR.

I personally appreciate Freepers making their case for their candidates. All too often turning into a negative slam fest and name calling.

And I will vote for whatever REPUB candidate that goes against Hillary/Obama.

165 posted on 04/21/2007 7:26:49 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: quidnunc
Because that's the choice you know; a not-so-socially-conserevative Republican or another eight years of the Clintons

Sorry to but in, but I don't think Hillary is as bad as she thinks she is.

Besides, if we could find a person who can convey the Conservative message like Reagan did, that person would probably win as many States as Reagan did.

It is about the issues. The person who can convince the American people that he/she can protect those issues, that person will win the election.

Hillary, Hussein, or any other Goreish candidate can not and will not protect issues like Security, Guns, God, and babies. This is what separates the liberals from the Conservatives.

If you don't give the Conservatives a reason to go to the voting booth, they my not show up. Check the '06 election and Border Security.

The media is about as right on Rudy as they were on Coward Dean. It is OK. Relax. Do not fear Hillary that much.


166 posted on 04/21/2007 7:27:00 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: quidnunc
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167 posted on 04/21/2007 7:27:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Sorry for the doubledouble postpost.


168 posted on 04/21/2007 7:27:33 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I finally see the dawn arrivin' I see beyond the road I'm drivin' Far away and left behind)
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To: potlatch; gonewt

This is the clinton derangement syndrome. You’d rather have a TRAINED MONKEY running the country than Hillary Clinton?

I’d vote for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama, and probably over Al Gore. Maybe even John Kerry.

I think I’d go for Bill Richardson over Hillary, and I might go for Edwards over Hillary.

Focus on the PROBLEM. It’s not Hillary, it’s the republican party abandoning it’s principles in the attempt to hold power, and as a result losing both.

Power comes from a firm commitment to sound principles that resonate because they work.

Reagan won NOT by becoming what the country wanted, but by making conservatism WHAT the country wanted.

The possibility of Fred Thompson is that he might be able to convey the conservative message in a way that will again convince the american people to embrace what is right, and good, and proper — strong conservative values.

Don’t be a defeatist. Don’t run to the front of the mob and pretend you are leading them. You lead them to their death. Instead, illuminate the truth, show them the right path, lead the way.

If we choose Rudy, we will be betraying the country, by leading them in the wrong direction. To do so just for ephemeral power is wrong. Better to have Hillary, at least we will have done what we could to lead people in the right direction.

Say no to defeatism.

Say no to those who claim conservatism has no power, that people are too stupid to see what is right.

Say no to those who say we must settle for a pro-abortion candidate to stop another pro-abortion candidate.

Say no to those who say the american people have abandoned conservatism and we must get used to it.

Say no to those who would surrender without a fight.

Say no to a false compromise which leads the country in the wrong direction.

Say no to defeatism.


169 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:08 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: beancounter13
The same pseudo-liberal (George H.W. Bush) that gave us Souter also gave us Thomas. Even Ronald Reagan gave us Scalia, but the less reliable moderate conservatives Kennedy and O’Connor.

Would you rather go 1 for 2 or 0 for 2 on Supreme Court nominees? That’s the practical issue we’re going to face if Rudy becomes the nominee and faces Hillary!, Obama or Edwards. And, unfortunately, I don’t see any viable conservative presidential candidate except for maybe Fred Thompson - who so far, isn’t running.

170 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:13 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: muleskinner

Don’t worry, Murry Mom’s account is still open.


171 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:16 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
“....If you disagreed with a canidate on many issues but you were totlly convinced that that person was the best person to confront the Islamofacist. Would you support that person for President?....”

In a New York minute. I know the famous words by Ben Franklin, but the founders could never have imagined an enemy as brutal and relentless as these murderous thugs who had just as soon cut off our heads as spit on us. Yes, I would vote for Attila the Hun, if he was a strong leader and would fight the IslamoThugs with all his might.

172 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:18 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - '08 (But Only If We Want To Win!))
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To: quidnunc

“So you prefer Hillary, then?” -quidnunc (Since 1998-09-15)

...”Up yours asswipe.” -Jim Robinson

...”This account has been banned or suspended.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


173 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:18 PM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: mkjessup
If every poster here who supports Rudy, or is considering supporting Rudy is banned, it would mean ZIP in regard to Rudy's candidacy, but would instead, IMO, only negatively impact FR.

.... if they are promoting ANYTHING favorable to that stealth-'Rat/RINO-Rudy, they've got no business here...

Well, if Jim wants this to be a "Rudy-free-site" or an "anti-Rudy-site" - he should state that policy and apply it.

174 posted on 04/21/2007 7:28:27 PM PDT by veronica
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To: quidnunc

quidnunc

This account has been banned or suspended.


Okay

JimRob is doing some spring cleaning. Kewl.


175 posted on 04/21/2007 7:29:50 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I appreciate your point of view, but by that logic what is to prevent the candidates from becoming more socialist as time goes by?

That is what is happening now. How do we change the course of our our electorate if we don't vote our convictions?

How does it help to educate the electorate and then only give them the choice between liberal and not-quite-as-liberal?

Right now, there are very few politicans who are truly public servants. They are there for their own good, both democrat and republican. And the parties only exist to be in power. When was the last time the Republican party cut off funding to a liberal incumbant?

176 posted on 04/21/2007 7:29:51 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: muleskinner

Click on his post or name; he’s banned.


177 posted on 04/21/2007 7:29:58 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Strategerist

“I was about to ask if there was a single person on this thread that had even the vaguest idea of what the actual definition of “socialism” was.”

On FR it means anybody that is not a total religious social conservative.

Barry Goldwater, grandfather of the conservative movement, would not be popular on FR today. He came from the western libertarian faction of conservatism, like Milton Friedman.


178 posted on 04/21/2007 7:30:23 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Jim Robinson

Geeez Jim, Chill Out!!

Fred Thompson is coming to save the day!

(I hope)


179 posted on 04/21/2007 7:30:35 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: nctexan

Bump to your post.


180 posted on 04/21/2007 7:30:49 PM PDT by Peach
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To: tsowellfan
The lesson to be learned here is when you make a gaffe, the last thing you should do is go on an apology tour. That pretty much seals your fate. Apologize once or twice to the recipient of the gaffe(and no one else) and then go on the offensive if the attacks persist.
181 posted on 04/21/2007 7:30:53 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Peach
Read today’s threads. Far more concern about guns than abortion. Read this week’s threads. The same. You are creating a straw man. Abortion is one issue. Giuliani agrees with the conservative wing of this party on next to nothing.

You are promoting a liberal’s liberal. He’s an east coast metrosexual cross dresser. Oly Snowe is probably more of a conservative than your friend, Rudy. The only way I want him inside the White House is taking the tour with other civilians.

I don’t need to bring up abortion, and I can spend the rest of the day telling you why Giuliani is the pits.

182 posted on 04/21/2007 7:31:07 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Godebert
I support McClintock until the last minute when it became painfully obvious he didn't have the support of the voters. Then, as a dutiful broken glass Republican, I pulled the lever for Arnie. Fat lot of good it did me. Broken glass Republican no more. Tired of crawling on bloodied stumps.
183 posted on 04/21/2007 7:31:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: quidnunc
Like it or not, the candidates preferred by this board — Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, et al — are certain losers.

If Reagan can win 49 states, why can't Fred?

184 posted on 04/21/2007 7:31:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: flashbunny; MurryMom

Murry Mom’s account is still open.

Sweet!


185 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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To: infidel29
do you forfeit your duty and honor and stay home instead of voting, thus clearing the path for a marxist

I don't think claiming Jim would forfeit his duty and honor if he refuses to vote for Rudy is a good idea, or a fair statement. The man has earned the right to not vote for people he finds offensive to his principles, and you have not earned the right to question his commitment to duty and honor.

Frankly, I'm surprised you survived.

186 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Paperdoll
Good for you! I'm voting for the Republican nominee!


187 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:26 PM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: veronica

“Well, if Jim wants this to be a “Rudy-free-site” or an “anti-Rudy-site” - he should state that policy and apply it.”

If you had been reading any of his threads then you would know that he HAS stated that policy, and IS applying it.

It’s been the stated policy of FR from the beginning.

CONSERVATISM!! period!


188 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:26 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Luke21
He’s an east coast metrosexual cross dresser.

Exhibit A of what constitutes intelligent conversation these days.

189 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:47 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Jim Robinson

“You’re delusional. Rudy doesn’t go to the right even 10% of the time.”

So I must conclude that for you, national security-going against islamofascism is below 10 percent?


190 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:48 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Kevmo
quidnunc

This account has been banned or suspended.

Oh gee whiz. Another long time favorite of mine is gone. Hee hee.

191 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:50 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: beancounter13
Personally, I think this country just may have to burn before it gets better:

Yeah, it's always good strategy to let your enemies win by walking of the field. Then they get to set the rules for next time around. Oh Wait! Look whose in control of the Senate and House now.

192 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:54 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Jim Robinson

Bottom line, Rudy is a survivable presidency for the US. A democrat with a probable demcrat house and senate is not.

If Rudy wins the primary, then you must support him.

If Rudy wins the primary, and you support the democrat or an unelectable 3rd party, then I am out of here and probably more than just me because we love the US, and opposing Rudy after the primary is supporting the destruction of the US as we know it.


193 posted on 04/21/2007 7:32:55 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

You and your compatriots on this site have done a lot to effect the political process in this country for good. I’m truly grateful to you for that.

Stick to your guns, pray for God’s help and don’t back down.

Not now. Not ever.

194 posted on 04/21/2007 7:33:09 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Peach

Glad you like it. It’s also true.


195 posted on 04/21/2007 7:33:24 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I agree with you that a president's policies are the most important thing. I'm watching this nomination process as a bystander so far, not a committed supporter of one candidate.

First off I observe Rudy running ahaead of the others in opinion polls of REPUBLICANS right now. Unless someone else beats him among republicans he will get nominated. Personally, I would prefer to see Thompson win but he might not.

IF Rudy is nominated, allowing a Hilary or Obama to win, possibly with a dem Congress, is national suicide. You will get pure pro abortion, etc policies PLUS no sensible war on terror.

So if Rudy gets nominated I will vote for him. For the war, also because he promises to nominate conservative judges. And a reason seldom mentioned: He is strong against crime. Turning the US Attorneys over to Hilary would be a disaster. I'm not pushing Rudy, just explaining why I would vote for him IF it is Hilary vs. Rudy. But I admit that for conservatives it is very strange to see Rudy running strong in republican polls.

196 posted on 04/21/2007 7:33:42 PM PDT by Williams
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To: All

Dang, we got ourselves a bruhaha.

All we need now to confirm it is a Rudybot poster or two to write some sanctimonious bs and announce they are leaving because the Freeper board is becoming...er...umm...
uhum...conservative.


197 posted on 04/21/2007 7:33:57 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: FreeReign

Fred would have a decent chance in the general election - Hilary and Obama are not strong candidates - which is why I strongly suspect Edwards gets the nomination.

Gingrich, Hunter, et. al. wouldn’t have the slightest chance.


198 posted on 04/21/2007 7:34:00 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Jim Robinson

“Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?”

Free Republic might, but I never will.


199 posted on 04/21/2007 7:34:01 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Jim Robinson; veronica; flashbunny; CharlesWayneCT

I just posted this but earlier I’ll move it to a more current thread

I don’t think it will be one of the dim leaders. I think it’s becoming clear that hillaries negatives are too high and the electorate won’t go for a lightweight like Obama.
Look for Gore to step in later this summer. “for the good of the party”. He will be able to unify the moonbat wing and the rank and file....the whole dim party. Also there will be no Nader. Remember he already won the poler vote acting like like a 2nd grade teacher. I watched 10 minutes of his movie last nite and though I disagree with it I was impressed how warm and polished he came off. He’s a LOT BETTER then he was in 2000.
He’s gonna be really tough to beat. I’m not sure Rudy...Thompson..or Romney can beat him. As for the rest of the Repub nominees....forgetaboutit.

I like all three of our guys.

What worries me about Romney is that he’s too slick by a half but I’m open.....

What worries me about Thompson (if he runs} does he have the fire to take on Gore? Also does he have the temperament to take on his own party? I worry that he could be another W. Say all the right things but be too much of a “good ol boy” and not be enough of a an asskicker to really slap around his former senate colleagues regarding earmarks...entitlement reform...tax reform...energy policy...the border...tort reform all the things that W with all three branches of government failed miserably on.
Though I’m also open.

Rudy does have that temperament. He slapped around the establishment in NYCity and it’s in his nature to do it again in Washington. I’m not worried about Rudy on the border the chaos down there should inflame his law and order sensibilities and I think he would clamp down. Currently he is the only one talking about are insane tax code and considering a flat tax....wonderful. He also brings up vouchers...great. He also talks about drilling in the gulf when all the other pols are worring about losing FLA...more great

That leaves guns and abortion that is judges. Rudy knows that to accomplish cleaning up our fiscal mess and waging war on our Islamic enemies not to mention holding off the dims and the MSM he will need the base including the socons firmly in his camp. I would expect him to give on those....

If he tried to pull something like nominating a Souter it would ignite a firestorm that would make the Miers pick look like nothing. He is not stupid enough to take on his own base when his plate will already be full.

If someone would like to discuss this with me instead of spamming me or insulting me I’d like that.



200 posted on 04/21/2007 7:34:40 PM PDT by Blackirish
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