Posted on 04/22/2007 8:06:18 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
When they love their children more than they hate us, this will stop. To me, that’s a draconian statement. It’s not one our current leaders are even close to embracing.
We won the war in 21 days. Unlike WWII the terrorists have no leaders to surrender so they keep fighting and hiding. Thanks for your patience.
PRay for W and Our Freedom Fighters
“This wouldn’t be happening if we had won the war by now. It’s gone on longer than our land-based involvement in WWII’s European theatre.”
Don’t you think that it’s entirely possible that without the “efforts” (to undercut OUR TROOPS while at the same time aiding, abetting and encouraging the terrorits)of Reid, Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, Durbin, Schumer (just to name a few) and their fellow traitors in the msm, that (1) the number of our soldiers that have been killed or maimed in Iraq would be significantly lower and (2) that the terrorists in Iraq would have been soundly defeated by now?
I think that in both cases the answer is a resounding YES!
It doesn’t matter if they want their sons and daughters to do so. They, as I, volunteered to come out here and see to it that you, and the rest of the world, have a shot at living with less terrorism in the world.
A world where people in Iraq are confident enough and educted enough, and moral enough to flush out the unwanted, the corrupt. And in the meantime, you still don’t even know why they’re smiling.
I hope it’s a lesson you never have to learn.
Actually, this is exactly my point. In my view the left voiced whatever support they did after 9/11 with their fingers crossed. They were just waiting for the opportune set of circumstances to revert to form. You are correct that Bush gave them too many openings to criticize, but no matter what he did he was going to be criticized eventually. Think of Hillary’s body language during the speech Bush gave at the National Cathedral right after 9/11. The media, in my view, is full of the same types of people.
Regarding Iraq, WMD, and Afghanistan, I agree that it was a mistake making WMD such a prominent issue. If Bush had stated at that time that Hussein had the capacity to make WMD, if though we couldn’t be sure if he already had stockpiles, Bush would have avoided the biggest opening he gave the Democrats. I personally don’t think he needed the WMD argument to get public approval to go after Iraq. This is NOT going to be a short war, irrespective of what happens in Iraq. This is a global war to protect ourselves and our way of life against a cult-like ideology. If we’d have stopped in Afghanistan all of the same players that are spilling across the border into Iraq would have gone to Afghanistan instead, and Bush would be criticized for not winning the peace in Afghanistan quicker.
The fact that many Americans ‘don’t understand’ the WOT is a sad statement about our current culture. Most Americans know how to ‘dial in’ American Idol, and they have long enough attention spans to know who Trump fires, or who gets ‘voted off the island’. Americans can’t afford to have ADD when it comes to our national security.
We did not win the war. You don't need to ask me for patience. I fully support our continued involvement in Iraq. You need to ask the rest of the American people. This is serious. If we keep blaming the Democrats for the Republican lack of leadership and resolve, the Democrats will -- and already are prepared to pull the rug out from underneath this war. That means many things. It's not worth pretending anymore that the way the war in Iraq is being fought is not going to continue to be supported. We'll either find a way to win soon, or we'll be forced to leave, just like we had to leave Saigon in helicopters on April 30, 1975.
This will happen in Iraq if people don't start taking a hard look at reality.
Which is why we should have finished this by now, at any cost. If we weren't prepared to take out our enemies in Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran we shouldn't have made our move when we did.
They're supplying our enemies in Iraq, and we all know it.
State sponsored terrorism is one thing. It helps define the enemy, places a name on it. But I daresay you cannot fully feel that there are, in your corner of the globe, people who wish to do you and your fellow citizens harm in “the name of Allah.”
And btw, facism, as an ideology, still exists. Cuba comes to mind. Nazis still walk the streets. They simply have no home, and not enough desire or numbers to act as brazenly as our current threat does. We never defeated it. We can only subvert it in our own yards.
And Bush has yet to step up to the plate on most of those he did actually lable, so I’m struggling to see why you brought his name into this.
The war is just, the goal is just, and even the methods seem to be effective, but if I were in your place, I would not bring another man’s convictions into my moral battles.
IOW- who do YOU think the enemy is?
“Which is why we should have finished this by now, at any cost.”
If obliteration had been our goal, rest assured we would have done it.
We want these people to be prospective allies one day. We also want to teach them our ways of dealing with riffraff. We can’t do that from 10,000 feet.
They have guns, they need the wisdom to know who to use them on. We are teaching them. And it is working.
your method may have worked, given that all we would then have to do is raise the next generations of their people our way- but this is the course we’ve started, and we are sewing what seeds we may.
Lets hope it finds fertile soil.
“When they love their children more than they hate us, this will stop.”
They will love their children more than they hate us when they embrace the (very western) idea of holding life to be sacred.
We do that with face time, not bombs. And face time doesnt mean a big white building with hundreds of representatives gabbing- it means we walk to them, and offer a talk over their (delicious) tea.
If our southern borders had been defended, if Islamic immigration had been curtailed, if we hadn't taken to calling it a religion of peace, and if we had let our troops fight unhindered by international laws that had no bearing on the protection of their enemies, things might have been different.
The American people have grown fatigued with the present policies. We cannot blame them. Many of them understand that the true war for America's security is at home, with the protection of America's own way of life, and its own families. The invasion from the south is more real to them than the threat of terrorism (although both are serious).
Then I do what I do for the future. Regardless of whose future it is, I hope to make it a brighter one by my actions today.
Those who fight in Iraq are true heroes, because they often fight knowing that their jobs are being undercut by weak leadership at home. Yet they go on. It’s a familiar story in the history of western democracy.
Your words remind me of Marx’s works.
Though not technically advocation of any ideal, your prophetic tonings can and will be used by those who wish to hold power. Even if not your words, somebody out there is bound to feel as you do, and be louder than you are here. And somebody else will use it against us.
But then, the internet is a massive, loud thing.
You want to help? Cut our bonds. Let us do what needs to be done. Withdraw today, and die tomorrow. Stay in now, slow the tide. Cut our bonds, let us do as we must.
I agree with your actual message, but your outlook draws you to a failure’s conclusion. Thus, prophetic as Marx.
Democrats will stop supporting the enemy when they love their children more than they hate Republicans.
And it will go on as long as the worldwide media continues to portray it as an active "war". We're probably fighting only a few thousand jihadis financed by a few million bucks from Syria, Iran and Bin Laden's friends. They can keep this up forever.
The "war" will only be won when the Democrats surrender to George Bush and drop the war as a political issue, and the Democrats media stops putting car bomb stories on the front pages. Then the jihadis will stop, because their war is not to defeat us in battle, but to get on the front pages long enough to enable the leftists to defeat America, just as they did in Vietnam.
Look at Israel. They've got one of the best armies in the world, and a populace trained and armed, and yet still the Palestinians can raise as much hell as they want, whenever they want, for as long as they want.
This is a political battle, and whatever happens on the ground in Iraq is irrelevant, except to the extent it can be turned into a political issue here in the US.
The war will be over just as soon as the American people decide it's over. Whether we "win" it, or "lose" it, depends on which political party wins the issue, not what happens in Iraq.
Saddam is gone. We "won", years ago. All the rest is politics.
The West is not guided by Democracy.
We are a Republic.
Please step out from your public schooling. I’m sure we both drink coke, but you dont seem to realize you dilute it with toilet water... ugh.
There’s not much more to discuss then. Good luck.
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