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'Lord' is fading at some churches (Barf alert)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | April 22, 2007 | Stephanie Innes

Posted on 04/22/2007 2:48:10 PM PDT by Zakeet

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To: ishabibble

Don’t discourage them from using the hyphen; it’s a handy way to know quite quickly that you’re dealing with a Leftist.

41 posted on 04/22/2007 3:31:54 PM PDT by Bigg Red (You are either with us or with the terrorists.)
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To: Zakeet

These folks are intimidated by power words like “Lord”?

Well, how about “King of Kings”, the “Alpha and the Omega”, “Prince”, “The Almighty”, “Captain of Salvation”, “Governor”, “Great High Priest”, “Judge of Israel”, “Lawgiver”, and “Mighty One”. Oh, here’s another name for Jesus that ought to make them feel inadequate: “Messiah”.

42 posted on 04/22/2007 3:32:04 PM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Chrust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: Zakeet

I left the Episcopal church 25 years ago for many of the same reasons people are leaving it today, including the fact that I did not want to support the National Council of Churches. Our precious Lord Jesus Christ must be weeping hot and salty tears for what is happening in so many of our main line churches! As the hierarchy tumbles away from the True Church, they no longer believe that He is the Son of God, a part of the Holy Trinity which makes up the one true God. How can they believe or follow His word, when they openly and brazenly defy Him?

But the Pentecostal and Evangelical churches are absorbing those leaving the mainline churches at such a rapid rate that multiple services, including those on Saturday evening are necessary to feed the membership. Our church will soon break ground on a new building to accommodate our growth, and we happily include a large teenaged membership. We had already outgrown the last church we built before we could move into it!
Praise God, that we are a house of prayer with frequent outreach programs to the community to gratefully do His work.

43 posted on 04/22/2007 3:37:30 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Jagman
And the kind of love they're talking about requires lots of K-Y jelly, handcuffs, a feather boa and several yards of garden hose!

Garden hose??

44 posted on 04/22/2007 3:44:20 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: CindyDawg

If you change the meaning of words then you can make the bible say anything.

45 posted on 04/22/2007 3:49:08 PM PDT by TrailofTears (."We mock loyalty and are shocked at finding traitors in our midst." CS Lewis)
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To: Zakeet; Huber; sionnsar; lightman
Boy, I wouldn't make it in their church. I just counted, and I used the word "Lord" over 20 times in my sermon this morning:

"The Risen Lord Restores His Fisherman and Shepherd" (Sermon for the Third Sunday of Easter)

46 posted on 04/22/2007 3:53:49 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Ole Okie

Just checking to see if anybody was really reading this thread.

47 posted on 04/22/2007 3:56:37 PM PDT by Jagman (I drank Frank Rabelais under the table!)
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To: Cicero

A Christian pastor takes a heavy responsibility on his head. When you get an idiot priestess and an idiot deacon like this, they are misleading their flock, plain and simple. It’s bad enough to go astray yourself, but to lead others astray is a much worse sin.

Yeah, like the pastor of the Luthern Church where we USED to attend, when he invited a Muslim to come and tell us all about how ‘peaceful’ Islam is. We, and our substantial weekly tithe, walked right out the door, never to return.

48 posted on 04/22/2007 3:58:09 PM PDT by hardworking (Hill-de-pants: Never held a job. Never bought a home. Never met a payroll. Qualified to be POTUS)
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To: tranzorZ

Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit! Obviously these folks also are not accepting of the gifts of the Holy Spirit then. Are they in denial of the Holy Trinity too?

No wonder so many Episcopal churches and their congregations are leaving and either starting up their own congregations in union with more conservative bishops - or are becoming Catholics.

49 posted on 04/22/2007 3:58:58 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Zakeet

Sign of the end of times.

50 posted on 04/22/2007 3:59:30 PM PDT by bmwcyle ( Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: Zakeet
2 Timothy 4:3 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)

3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

51 posted on 04/22/2007 4:01:51 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Zakeet
At Tucson's largest Episcopal church, St. Philip's in the Hills . . .

Five people left in that congregation? Fewer?

52 posted on 04/22/2007 4:06:27 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Bigg Red

“And God is a He whether girl ministers like it or not.”

Really? Since I am a gal and have never ever resented God being called “Father” - after all our Lord Jesus Christ told us to pray to Him that way - I still have doubts that God is a male. God has fatherly attributes such as strength, steadfastness, justice, etc.., and the church that Jesus established has maternal attributes such as nourishing, mercy, etc.. For that reason the Christian Church is called the bride of Christ. But even with such imagery, I do not believe God is a male. Afterall when he made Adam “after His image”, God had to go back and make a complementary human which He called woman so as to complete the attributes of his nature.

God is strictly speaking neither male nor female, at least not in the human sense of being a male. God is simply the Almighty with all the good attributes of humanity and none of the bad, but He does not have a body. God is Love.

And, even so, it is OK with me to use the masculine adjective to refer to God. I think the changing of traditional language so as to not offend some feminists is a lot of hogwash.

53 posted on 04/22/2007 4:10:28 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: AngrySpud

Just call Him Buddy. Ooops, that’s sexist. How about Leslie? That could refer to a male or femals demi-god.

54 posted on 04/22/2007 4:13:46 PM PDT by joylyn
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To: joylyn

Sorry. I meant female, not femals. I was laughing so hard I couldn’t read my own post.

If we don’t acknowledge God’s power, does that make Him any less powerful?

55 posted on 04/22/2007 4:16:18 PM PDT by joylyn
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To: Zakeet
Romans 1:11, 12:

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

That would include the clergy and membership of St. Phillip's on the Hills.

They can call Him Lord now, or they can do it on their knees at the judgment when it's too late.

56 posted on 04/22/2007 4:21:36 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: gcruse
Yesterday I read about a married couple so progressive that the wife not only kept her maiden name, but their daughters carried the mother’s name and their sons carried their dad’s.

That would be VS and me. And we're coming up on 25 years in May - happily.

Mrs VS

57 posted on 04/22/2007 4:29:30 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Zakeet
The most recent version of the Book of Common Prayer, published in 1979, is what's used in American Episcopal churches. But the book was published just prior to a consciousness of patriarchy in linguistics, said McBride, a history professor before he became a cleric.

"There are lots of problems in that prayer book that are just so patriarchal it's laughable

And there's no question "Lord" has patriarchal connotations, he noted. "I'm sorry, but if there is a Lord, by implication there is a Lady," he said.

Here is your problem these Episcopal Churches have become the Church of the Politically Correct.

They are all rapped up in gender politics.

58 posted on 04/22/2007 4:34:54 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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59 posted on 04/22/2007 4:37:59 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Gumdrop

Jesus said that He and the Father are One. If you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Should we then believe also that Jesus is feminine also?

60 posted on 04/22/2007 4:38:37 PM PDT by getbillnow (the NYTIMES ought to thank the God they don't believe in that I obey the law.)
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