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How Hitler cheated death in 1943 coup... thanks to the Allies
Scotland on Sunday ^ | April 22, 2007 | by MURDO MACLEOD

Posted on 04/22/2007 7:56:23 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: poindexter

But bombs in suitcases are sexier though (Cue 1940s music playing in phonograph)


21 posted on 04/22/2007 9:09:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Off topic, about your tagline.

Have you read this vanity?

Cheers!

22 posted on 04/22/2007 9:15:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Wil H
Stauffenburg’s bomb was of British manufacture. On 20 July 1944, the Fuehrer conference was moved from the windowless, concrete bunker it was scheduled to be held in, to a wooden frame building with windows. Stuffenburg placed the bomb next to the table support [a thick solid oak trestle type setup] where Hitler was standing. Stauffenberg then activated the fuse [used acid to eat through the thing], and left the building to observe, and then to flash the call sign “Valkyrie” to Berlin.

After he left, another officer moved the brief case containing the bomb to the other side of the support. Hitler may also have moved further away from it while studying the maps. That was when the bomb went off.

Unfortunately, a good deal of the blast went out of the building [in the originally scheduled conference room, the concrete would have forced the blast waves inward, likely killing everyone]. Hitler suffered a perforated eardrum, a slight injury to one of his legs, and had his uniform ripped to shreds. Several officers on the other side of the table support died immediately. At least one other officer died later from his wounds.

23 posted on 04/22/2007 9:17:33 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yeah, what about the rebel 20,000 anti-Hitler force?
24 posted on 04/22/2007 9:25:03 PM PDT by endthematrix (a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other. - Hillary)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ok, here is the plan for the High Level Concept Meeting for our movie.

Olga is a sweet but misguided member of the Hitler Youth (Gwyneth is perfect. I’m sleeping with her agent’s secretary’s sister’s friend’s ex-roommate. I’ll take a lunch with the agent.)

She is beautiful and looks very Germanic, but alas, she was rejected for a Wermacht recruiting poster because of her too-small chest (Like I said, Gwyneth will be perfect.)

She wanted to have this new surgical procedure call Big Bratwurst Breast whereby silicone is inserted into her chest by the kindly old doctor, but at the last minute, the silicone is needed to reduce the friction in the gyroscopes guiding the V1 missiles and the poor old kindly doctor is murdered on Hitler’s orders by Joseph Mengle, who looks a lot like Karl Rove.

Can we get Mel Brooks to play Hitler?

So Helga, Olga, what the hell is her name is recruited by General Wunderbar, who looks a lot like John Kerry to kill Hitler... but at the last moment, an RAF bomber piloted by a sleazy guy who looks like a rabid young Ronald Reagan screws up the whole thing.

In the end, we see Brunhilda/Olga/Helga, whatever we call her confessing her sorrow but not her sins for the ecological damaged caused by the Normandy invasion to a kindly priest who looks a lot like former VP Al whats-his-name.

Can we get $500 million to make this picture? We'll make Patton gay. They'll love it!

25 posted on 04/22/2007 9:28:48 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: endthematrix

From the article it sounds like they were Wehrmacht, not rebels.


26 posted on 04/22/2007 9:29:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I case you didn’t get it, I was kidding.


27 posted on 04/22/2007 9:35:34 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: PzLdr

I thought it also created severe wounds to Hitler’s arm.

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28 posted on 04/22/2007 9:40:49 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: PzLdr
"Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, the man who earned his place in history by almost killing the Führer with a briefcase bomb in 1944."

There's a plausible theory in some circles that the 1944 bomb *did* kill Hitler, which explains why Hitler's remains were never recovered/displayed after the war (and many decades later verified via DNA tests).

That theory also explains why the Wehrmacht was given ridiculous orders to fight to the last man to hold ground in Russia rather than retreat back into Germany to fight from behind pre-built fortifications...as a "Hitler double" could be made to look the part, but wouldn't be expected to have much grasp of military tactics.

29 posted on 04/22/2007 9:45:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Vigilanteman

You’re comparing Bill Clinton to Hitler? I’m sorry, but that’s a bit much.


30 posted on 04/22/2007 9:57:10 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: FreedomCalls

“They weren’t really ‘losing’ in November 1943 yet.”

Uh, yes they were. North Africa and Sicily were already lost, and the allies had invaded Italy. We were bombing Germany nightly, and the U-boat fleet was under very heavy pressure. On the Eastern Front, Stalingrad had been lost completely in January of ‘43, and Kursk’s massive loss was the prior summer. If that’s not losing, what is?


31 posted on 04/22/2007 9:59:08 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: PzLdr

Thanks for the refresher, you are right, that is as I was told it 39 years ago. The site has an eerie, sinister, feel to it that I remember to this day.

That trip was my first experience of Eastern Europe, and I was not unduly alarmed by the amount of military vehicles and troops that I saw in that area, assuming it to normal for the Eastern bloc.

Little did I know that what I was witnessing at the time was the Russian Army moving through Poland to invade Czechoslovakia and depose Alexander Dubcek.

Heck, what did I know, I was only 17 at the time.


32 posted on 04/22/2007 10:59:28 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That’s not what the article says. It says the plotters planned to sue for peace, hence, why the first sentence says the war would end. I think you are getting confused, because they were initially going to blame the plot on a traitorous SS group. Read the article again.


33 posted on 04/22/2007 11:10:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: FreedomCalls

The German General Staff knew they were losing when the 1941 drive on Moscow failed. They knew they didn’t have the manpower or industry for a prolonged total war.


34 posted on 04/22/2007 11:18:04 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: nickcarraway
The article also blames the Allies for foiling the plot. This article is BS.

How were they supposed to achieve this "peace" once Hitler was dead? Just ask Stalin nicely? The Eastern Front had already crumbled and the tide of war had turned. Furthermore, the US and UK were committed to Germany's unconditional surrender. The plotters may have hoped for a separate peace with the US and UK was Hitler was gone, but such a deal was unlikely, and they'd have to keep fighting the Soviets regardless. The writer of this article would probably blame the Allies' unreasonable unconditional surrender demand for prolonging the war unnecessarily.

I get really tired of hearing about how these German resistance plotters were a bunch of great heroes. Von Tresckow was connected to Stauffenberg and the circle around Admiral Canaris. They were all loyal, patriotic German soldiers who knew that Hitler was flushing Germany down the crapper. They weren't on our side. They were on Germany's side.

35 posted on 04/22/2007 11:49:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: PzLdr

There was a bomb in a centerpiece at a dinner... oh wait. That was an episode of Hogan’s Heroes.


36 posted on 04/22/2007 11:52:58 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Read the article. The Allies did not intentionally “foil” the plot. They just happened to bomb something that was integral to the plot.


37 posted on 04/23/2007 12:51:49 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Wil H

You are referring to the 1944 von Stauffenberg attempt (briefcase). This story (suicide) is about a newly-discovered plot from 1943.


38 posted on 04/23/2007 4:38:16 AM PDT by karnage
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To: MindBender26
His tunic sleeve was shredded, and he may have had superficial wounds. I think the idea of severe wounds arose from the trembling in his left arm that was pronounced by the end of the war. A lot of historians are now coming around to the trembling being a symptom of either: Parkinson's’s [likely], a byproduct of Morrell’s drug cocktails [possible], or tertiary syphilis [speculative].
39 posted on 04/23/2007 6:09:07 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: endthematrix

The wild card there was the SS. Particularly, the Waffen SS. On the day he was wounded in Normandy, Rommel had been inspecting the 1st SS Panzerkorps, and sounding out Sepp Dietrich about seeking an armistice in the West without - and against - Hitler’s wishes. Purportedly, Dietrich told Rommel the SS under his command would support Rommel.


40 posted on 04/23/2007 6:14:07 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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