Skip to comments.Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement
Posted on 04/22/2007 10:45:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).
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|Partial Birth Abortion||SupportsOpposed NY ban||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Roe v. Wade||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Taxpayer Funded Abortions||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Embryonic Stem Cell Research||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Federal Marriage Amendment||Opposes||Opposes||Opposes
Defined at state level
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|Defense of Marriage Act||Opposes||Opposes||Opposes||Supports|
|Amnesty for Illegal Aliens||Supports||Supports||Supports||Opposes|
|Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
|Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Ignoring Immigration Law
|Protecting 2nd Amendment||Opposes
|'Assault' Weapons Ban||Supports||Supports||Supports|
Against Gun Makers
|War in Afghanistan||Supports||Supports
Voted for it
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Voted for it
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Rudy is pandering. He’s just not so good at it, when we have 8 years of his mayoral record to refute his whitewash.
I’ve yet to see HUnter tapdance or have to nuance an answer. He’s the same conservative man he was when he came to office in 1980.
Rudy`s got huge name recognition, but not a conservative bone in his entire body. Rudy`s a lifelong liberal. Period.
Conservatives DO NOT support big government. Rudy supports big government Republicanism. Conservatives DO NOT support gun control. Rudy supports gun control. Conservatives DO NOT support an assault weapons ban. Rudy supports an assault weapons ban. Conservatives DO NOT support abortion on demand. Rudy supports abortion on demand. Conservatives DO NOT oppose a ban on partial birth abortion. Rudy opposes a ban on partial birth abortion. Conservatives DO NOT support special rights for homos. Rudy supports special rights for homos. Conservatives DO NOT support amnesty for illegals. Rudy supports amnesty for illegals. Conservatives DO NOT support the notion that humans are a significant cause of global warming. Rudy supports the notion that humans are a significant cause of global warming. Conservatives DO NOT support Campaign Finance Reform, AKA. McCain-Feingold. Rudy supports Campaign Finance Reform, AKA. McCain-Feingold.
Conservatives with a conscience, don’t vote for liberals. Not unless they’ve sold out their principles and integrity for political expediency. Voting for the lesser of two evils only goes so far. Betraying ones conservative roots is not an option.
We can’t stop you from voting for Rudy. But please don’t think of him as a conservative. He is ABOUT as liberal as Hillary.. not AS liberal.. but ABOUT as liberal.
"Rudy Giuliani has repeatedly said that he will not seek to change current law as described in the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal funding of abortions except in cases involving rape or incest, or where the life of the mother is at stake. And, given the opportunity, a President Giuliani would appoint strict-constructionist judges who will follow in the philosophical footsteps of Justices Thomas, Alito, and Scalia, and Chief Justice Roberts."
It’s up to us, and all the other people who ought to get their butts out and working at the grassroots.
You beat me to it. The number one difference between Rudy and Hillary is honesty. He’s got it and she doesn’t, plain and simple. Although I think Jim’s list of “positions” is oversimplified, and the two aren’t really anywhere near identical, even if they WERE identical on their stated positions on all issues, I’d take the honest one over the dishonest one in a second. Dispatching the unspeakably evil Clinton machine needs to be a high priority.
Might we add a series of collector cards about his record on terrorist attacks? Here is just the beginning of the research in that regard:
Daniel Pipes included Giuliani in his article about “ostriches” who denied domestic terrorism.
Key excerpt: Law enforcement seems more concerned to avoid an anti-Muslim backlash than to find the culprits. This attitude of denial fits an all-too-common pattern. I have previously documented a reluctance in nearby New York City to see as terrorism the 1994 Brooklyn Bridge (road rage was the FBIs preferred description) and the 1997 Empire State Building shootings (many, many enemies in his mind, said Rudolph Giuliani). Likewise, the July 2002 LAX murders were initially dismissed as a work dispute and the October 2002 rampage of the Beltway snipers went unexplained, leaving the media to ascribe it to such factors as a stormy [family] relationship.
Here’s more from Pipes on one of the pre-9/11 terrorist attacks on NY under Giuliani’s watch (which he used as a platform to call for stricter national gun control):
Ali Hasan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian gunman hailing from militant Islamic circles in Florida, took a gun to the top of the Empire State building in February 1997 and shot a tourist there. His suicide note accused the United States of using Israel as its “instrument” against the Palestinians but city officials ignored this evidence and instead dismissed Abu Kamal as either “one deranged individual working on his own” (Police Commissioner Howard Safir) or a “man who had many, many enemies in his mind” (Mayor Rudolph Giuliani).
Here’s information on an earlier terrorist attack on NYC while Giuliani was mayor:
Key excerpt: The Mayor’s urgency to quash the widespread reports of a link between the shooting suspect and the well-known terrorist organization fit a pattern he established immediately after the Tuesday shootings. From the beginning, he personally took control of all briefings on the matter, often appearing with the Police Commissioner at his side, and took pains to dampen the rumors that might pit one ethnic group against another or raise the city’s level of fear.
Even now, Mr. Giuliani and the Police Department have refused to discuss the question of a motive in the van shootings, which left one student brain-dead, another in poor condition and two others with less serious wounds. Though many Hasidim say they are certain the students were shot because they are Jews, the police say they have not determined the shooting was anti-Semitic.
Yesterday morning, Mr. Giuliani met for 40 minutes with a group of Arab restaurateurs, business owners and community leaders from Brooklyn. He told them that Arabs as a group should not be blamed for the shooting, and the Arab leaders put out a statement expressing condolences to the families of the victims and noting that Arabs were instrumental in contributing information that led to Mr. Baz’s arrest.
This particular attacker was linked to a hotbed of Brooklyn Islamofascism centered in Bay Ridge. But Giuliani didn’t follow up to see if there was a wider pattern of Islamofascist attacks being planned/supported/funded there — he treated the shooting as an isolated crime, tried to avoid admitting any links to terrorism, and met with leaders of Brooklyn’s Arab community. Giuliani’s record on Islamofascist attacks when he was in charge is not good.
Having friends like Harding and Kerick does not make you honest. Giving a glorified stump speech in front of some burning buildings, and sending cops after squeegee men does not make one tough.
Giuliani is a second rate greaseball barrister with a third rate intellect. I'll pass, even if he gets the nomination.
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you perhaps the most crystal clear example of cognitive dissonance I have ever seen in my entire life.
Our friend AZRepublican has just made the assertion, with a straight face I presume, that we must allow a liberal into the White House in order for us to prevent a liberal getting into the White House.
Let's all just bask in the glory of AZRepubs absolutely insipid statement for a moment shall we?
I mean do any of you realize how difficult it is to almost perfectly distill the absolute moral blindness displayed by the Rudy supporters into just 18 words? That's gotta take some work.
Ordinary people faced with such a task would most likely crumble before such a challenge. But our friend AZR has made it look easy.
Now any normal person would be satisfied with pulling off such a Herculean task so easily and would quite likely call it a day.
But AZR has also included this little gem:
Lets see what positions he takes for the executive office.
Now I'll give you all a moment or two to catch your breath and let the tears of laughter clear from your eyes...
Better now? Good. I'll continue.
Now the real beauty of this statement is that AZR is somehow making the argument that Rudy hasn't actually taken any positions for the 'executive office'. Well, of course we all know that he has. Jim very kindly posted them at the very top of the thread.
But does that stop our pal AZR from plunging straight ahead and somehow trying to tell us that Rudy hasn't taken these positions literally dozens of times in the recent past? No, it doesn't!
Now that ladies and gentlemen takes some real chutzpah.
Not only does AZR try to lead us to believe that allowing a liberal into the WH will somehow stop a liberal from getting into the WH but he tries to tell us that Rudy hasn't taken any positions yet!
Why the length and breadth of the mind bending absurdity contained in just two small paragraphs composed of less than 50 words simply takes ones breath away.
Honestly folks, I don't know how he does it.
Yes it is.
The one thing Rudy is not, however, is a RINO. He is very much in the tradition of NE liberal republicanism. Think Shays, Snowe, Specter, Collins, Jeffords, etc. I just pray that that wing of the party is not in ascendancy. If it is, there is no point to the GOP.
>We cant stop you from voting for Rudy. But please dont think of him as a conservative.
Oh gosh, I don’t think of him as such a thing! He has conservative views on certain subjects, and very liberal on much everything else. BUT, if chances are 50/50 we can get a quality conservative justice appointed to the court I am willing to put up with Rudy for 4 years rather than the alternative of having more liberals sent to the bench under Hillary or Obama.
Tough to keep track of all of Rudy’s gyrations these days though. He will have to say R v W is bad law sooner or later.
So what? He repeatedly promised to “love, honor, and cherish” and to be faithful to his wives, too.
Rudy is left wing, baby killing SCUM!
I’m missing the “kissing gay roomates” card, the “drag queen” card, and the “serial adulterer” card. ;-)
That's gonna leave a mark.
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