I always favor more than less... I present to you the Para Ordnance 14-45....It's got everything a liberal can hate...high caliber and high capacity...
makes me just giggle.
Posted on 04/23/2007 8:57:22 AM PDT by Moose4
April 30, 2007 issue - The three students from Wilberforce University, near Xenia, Ohio, had a tremendous fondness for 9-millimeter pistols. They bought them as many as 25 at a time from the accommodating owner of the Hole in the Wall Gun Shop, James Dillard. As required by Ohio law, the buyers duly attested that the guns were for their personal use, which was good enough for Dillard. In fact, according to federal prosecutors, the pistols were passed to a gunrunner who resold them to street gangs. Seventy-six 9mm semiautomatics were sold to just one gang, the Double II Bloods of East Orange, N.J. Jamel Coward, who already had a .45, bought a Leinad 9mm and went out with a friend to try it out. On people. They drove down a street in what they believed to be the territory of the rival Crips, and Coward commenced firing. He wounded three bystanders before a bullet struck 19-year-old Erron Lewin in the neck. Lewin, who belonged to no gang, died on the spot.
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This VT thing finally got me off my arse to buy that pistol I’ve been saying I was gonna get for 3 years (I’m a long gun guy, but the VT incident and the ensuing MSM hysterics over it convinced me I needed a hogleg). Several friends have sold me on the 1911-A1. I’m shopping around now.
There go those guns again, floating around, pulling their own triggers with absolutely no controlling force or intent to kill behind them.
I got a good deal on a 1969 Makarov right before the AWB in the early 90s. It’s a nice little piece resmebling a ppk and it’s quite accurate after being used by Russian cops for some years.
BUT...
A person who didn't really comply with the spirit of the law (the gun shop salesman) sold a bunch of guns to people that immediately *Broke* existing laws by reselling them to a bunch more people who immediately *Broke* existing laws by using them to shoot people.
And the answer to this? I expect, more laws.
Not in my experience. ....not even ultra-light nines.
My wife has an XD9 (awfully nice shooting gun). Had I known they would turn out to be so evil, I’d have bought another one.
And IMHO, recoil can be an accuracy issue in some of the larger calibers.
That’s what I’ve heard. I’ve never fired a 9mm, the only handguns I’ve ever fired have been a small .380 semi-auto and a .38 revolver. I had no trouble controlling the recoil on either one (even though I was a lousy shot), and from what I’ve heard, the recoil on a 9mm isn’t really much worse than a .38 Special, is it?
Around here on FR, on the “help me buy a gun” threads, seems like the 9mm Parabellum isn’t a good self-defense round. .45 ACP is better, I guess?
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I imagine that any firearm dealer here would question an attempted purchase of 25 pistols. Probably would refuse the sale.
Ya better hope and pray she don't read that my son, since she can manage those higher calibers rather well.
Well, now, a liberal mind reading this would conclude that we could reduce homicides by almost 50% in SE-LA and by 60% in Philly just by banning 9mm handguns!
Oh the simplicity of it all!!
Cinthia McCarthy is on a communist rampage to take guns but protect your second amendment right to go hunting.... (yes she expects us to believe that)
SHE HAS (R) DINGLE on board with this!
The MSM is trying to spin this as if the new AWB (permanent) is “bi partisan”!
Took my mom and sis shooting yesterday. Second time for mom, first for sis.
Had them firing .38Special and .44Special out of S&W .357Mag and .44Mag.
They loved it. Mom was a deadeye too with that .44. Both were hitting the targets with every shot at 7yds.
My wife is recoil sensitive and loves her Glock 19 (9mm).
Inaccurate. The ineffective rounds used by the feds in that infamous shootout were in fact 114 gr. 9mm rounds, and the subsequent changes were to a heavier round (I think 124 gr.) of the same caliber.
The 1911 is a great pistol, but you have to constantly practice with the thing to be able to hit anything.
For a good personal defense pistol - I’d go with a Sig.
As someone in sales, the only question that comes to my mind is "Cash, check, or charge?"
Well when I said “larger calibers” I meant “larger than a 45 ACP”. Recoil on a 44 mag and 50 can be a little distracting.
Feminine bulge? Tell that to Dirty Harry.
Thanks for the suggestion. What are the 1911 difficulties?
In such a case, Mr. Dillard would have filled out the required ATF Form 3310.4, and submitted it THAT DAY to the National Tracing Center and the CLEO of his jurisdiction.
What action those entities took upon learning of this (and presumably other similar) multiple sale is not reported.
I was thinking about carting out my old CZ-52 for a range workout. $89 when I bought it 2 or three years ago - I think you can get one for about $125 now.
The ammo is dirt cheap, and the thing packs a whollop.
The 9mm originated in Europe, so it must be bad.
99% positive this is not true; .40 S&W has replaced 9x19 as the LEA caliber of choice and owns the majority stake nationwide.
Glock mod. 22 (.40 cal) solves the problem with 9MMs.
I always favor more than less... I present to you the Para Ordnance 14-45....It's got everything a liberal can hate...high caliber and high capacity...
makes me just giggle.
I just bought a XD9 subcompact a couple days ago. Went directly from the gunshop to the range. What a great tool for self defense and a little bit of fun too.
I love mine, but when I take it to the range after not shooting it for 6 months my first few shots aren’t even on the paper.
The Model 20 is my favorite - the 10mm ballistics are close to a .41 magnum, and the thing is manageable.
Disagree, the 1911 is much easier than most pistols to hit with because it has a good trigger.
The only fly on the 1911 is that basic maintenance is more involved than more recent designs. Not to the point of being genuinely difficult, just more complicated.
I’ll still take my Sig Pro as my “best” gun.
I think the 10 MM will become an orphan load...like the .41. It will still be available but not in the varieties that .40 and 9 MM are now.
P220 stainless myself.
Those, sir, are fighting words. 8^)
IMHO, John Browning got it just about perfect with the 1911. There's a reason that so many special ops and police outfits are switching back to the 1911 platform.
Love my 19 too. Works well, accurate, cleans in a jiffy. However, I’ve noticed some accuracy problems with the hi-cap magazine. That might just be me though - can’t handle a 32-round mag extending beyond the end of the grip.
I agree, and it's too bad, I think they succeeded with the 10mm what they were trying to do with the .41 mag.
Buy reloading equipment!
The author uses "9mm" as a general term for "high capacity polymer framed semiauto", and manages to confuse and mislead readers with multiple factual errors.
He cites the 1986 Miami FBI shootout as the catalyst for the rise of the 9mm, when in fact the EXACT OPPOSITE is true; that incident spurred a search that led to the .40 S&W cartridge and greatly reduced 9x19 market share.
Whomever he interviewed, had their HUA. Of course, the quotes from Hip Hop artists add a lot to the discussion.
If it’s got a “bulge”, it’s not feminine.
Maybe the author’s spent too much time in San Fagcisco?
What does that have to do with guns? Does this moron think if these folks were willin’ to break the existing laws, they’d be stop at a new one?
Maybe, the Feds and the Locals should try rousting the gangs?
Nah. Unlike gunstore owners and law-abiding gun-owners, gangbangers might shoot back.
I’d say the 9mm is still dominant.
Many departments have upgraded to the .40SW, but most don’t have the budgets to upgrade on caliber alone.
Send the guy an email - tell him he got about every fact in the piece wrong. Send a copy to his editor.
Taurus makes a beauty of a 1911 for about 500.00. GREAT gun.
It took 7 people to come up with this crap ?
Criminal Negligence at Virginia Tech
By Henry Mark Holzer
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 23, 2007
“Not a single person who knew of Cho’s palpable mental illness acted. Not his teachers, classmates, staff, administrators, police, family, or campus cops. No one!”........
Read the long article at:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27972
Gosh, that article was so scary I almost crapped my pants...
Ooopps! I did crap my pants!
/liberal mode
Here's another to add to your list:
But the ones who should know best—the militaries of at least 70 countries, including, since 1985, the United States—have come down in favor of the 9mm sidearm.
This was done to adapt to the NATO standard, it had nothing to do with "lethality".
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