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Tillman's brother blasts military
Yahoo! News ^ | 04/24/2007 | SCOTT LINDLAW and ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writers

Posted on 04/24/2007 10:52:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman's brother accused the military Tuesday of "intentional falsehoods" and "deliberate and careful misrepresentations" in portraying the football star's death in Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

"We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public," Kevin Tillman told a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee hearing. "Pat's death was clearly the result of fratricide," he said, contending that the military's misstatements amounted to "fraud."

"Revealing that Pat's death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster in a month of political disasters ... so the truth needed to be suppressed," said Tillman, who was in a convoy behind his brother when the incident happened three years ago but didn't see it.

The committee's chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., accused the government of inventing "sensational details and stories" about Pat Tillman's death and the 2003 rescue of Jessica Lynch, perhaps the most famous victims of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

"The government violated its most basic responsibility," said Waxman.

Lynch, then an Army private, was badly injured when her convoy was ambushed in Iraq. She was subsequently rescued by American troops from an Iraqi hospital but the tale of her ambush was changed into a story of heroism on her part.

Still hampered by her injuries, Lynch walked slowly to the witness table and took a seat alongside Tillman's family members.

"The bottom line is the American people are capable of determining their own ideals of heroes and they don't need to be told elaborate tales," Lynch said.

Kevin Tillman said his family has sought for years to get at the truth about Pat Tillman's death, and have now concluded that they were "being actively thwarted by powers that are more interested in protecting a narrative than getting at the truth and seeing justice is served."

Lawmakers questioned how high up the chain of command the information about Tillman's friendly fire death went, and whether anyone in the White House knew before Tillman's family.

"How high up did this go?" asked Waxman.

Pat Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, said she believed former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld must have known. "The fact that he would have died by friendly fire and no one told Rumsfeld is ludicrous," she said.

Tillman was killed on April 22, 2004, after his Army Ranger comrades were ambushed in eastern Afghanistan. Rangers in a convoy trailing Tillman's group had just emerged from a canyon where they had been fired upon. They saw Tillman and mistakenly fired on him.

Though dozens of soldiers knew quickly that Tillman had been killed by his fellow troops, the Army said initially that he was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers. The family was not told until May 29, 2004, what really happened, a delay the Army has blamed on procedural mistakes.

In questioning what the White House knew, Rep. Elijah Cummings (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., cited a memo written by a top general seven days after Tillman's death warning it was "highly possible" the Army Ranger was killed by friendly fire and making clear his warning should be conveyed to the president. President Bush made no reference to the way Tillman died in a speech delivered two days after the memo was written.

A White House spokesman has said there's no indication Bush received the warning in the memo written April 29, 2004 by then-Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal to Gen. John Abizaid, head of Central Command.

"It's a little disingenuous to think the administration didn't know," Kevin Tillman told the committee. "That's kind of what we hoped you guys would get involved with and take a look," he said.

Mary Tillman told the committee that family members were "absolutely appalled" upon realizing the extent to which they were misled.

"We've all been betrayed ... We never thought they would use him the way they did," she said.

The Tillman family has made similar accusations against the administration and the military before, but has generally shied away from news media attention. The family had never previously appeared together and summarized their criticism and questions in such a public, comprehensive way.

"We shouldn't be allowed to have smoke screens thrown in our face," Mary Tillman said. "You're diminishing their true heroism to write these glorious tales. It's really a disservice to the nation."

"Our family will never be satisfied. We'll never have Pat back," she said. "Something really awful happened. It's your job to find out what happened to him. That's really important."

Last month the military concluded in a pair of reports that nine high-ranking Army officers, including four generals, made critical errors in reporting Tillman's death but that there was no criminal wrongdoing in his shooting.

Tillman's death received worldwide attention because he had walked away from a huge contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the Army after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Lawmakers also planned to press the Pentagon with questions still hovering over Tillman's shooting, including whether a Predator drone was flying overhead when Tillman was killed and whether it videotaped the incident. The military says no such videotape exists.

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Associated Press writer Scott Lindlaw contributed to this report from San Francisco.


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1 posted on 04/24/2007 10:52:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Again? Isnt this like the third time?


2 posted on 04/24/2007 10:52:41 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly.


3 posted on 04/24/2007 10:53:18 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"The government violated its most basic responsibility," said Waxman.

Waxman wouldn't have a clear concept of "basic responsibility" if it stepped up and punched him in the nose.

So the familie's main beef is that the friendly fire aspect wasn't publicized intially or perhaps wasn't publicized quickly enough?

4 posted on 04/24/2007 10:56:30 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Too blessed to be stressed.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Don’t know what Pat would do. We will never know. I think the family is just upset because of the way they were lied to about the death. I am truly surprised that the Army did this. I typically think they are on the up and up on all information. The Army screwed up on this one.


5 posted on 04/24/2007 10:57:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Again? Isnt this like the third time?

Another Cindy Sheehan in the making?

6 posted on 04/24/2007 10:58:27 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I have the utmost respect and sympathy for the Tillman Family, and understand their ire at being lied to by the Government initially. It was a bad move on someone’s part. However, with that said, Friendly Fire injuries and deaths have unfortunately been part of every war and conflict known to mankind. The Government has come clean on the truth, so it is time for the family and everyone else to stop demanding hearings and apologies. I can’t help but think that Pat Tillman would be upset and embarrassed by his brother’s refusal to let the matter go, and his insistance on military bashing. Hopefully he can move forward and honor his brother as the hero he was in life, and try to accept the unbearable grief on his death.


7 posted on 04/24/2007 10:59:24 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: BurbankKarl

I guess wherever there is a camera....


8 posted on 04/24/2007 11:00:04 AM PDT by Jrabbit ('scuse me??)
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To: napscoordinator
I think the family is just upset because of the way they were lied to about the death.

And justifiably so I would say! The man gave up the life of a millionaire professional athlete and volunteered to serve the country after 9/11 out of pure patriotism. What happened stinks, plain and simple.

9 posted on 04/24/2007 11:00:09 AM PDT by jpl
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To: prairiebreeze
So the familie's main beef is that the friendly fire aspect wasn't publicized intially or perhaps wasn't publicized quickly enough?

It's more about the friendly fire aspect not being told to the family, who apparently got a load of lies instead.

10 posted on 04/24/2007 11:01:01 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: rhombus
"Another Cindy Sheehan in the making?"

Quite possibly. The moonbats have him under their wing right now "nursing" him.

11 posted on 04/24/2007 11:01:23 AM PDT by avacado
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To: jpl

And justifiably so I would say!

Don’t worry I agree with you 1 million percent. This is a travesty!!!!!


12 posted on 04/24/2007 11:01:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Primetimedonna
Friendly Fire injuries and deaths have unfortunately been part of every war and conflict known to mankind.

Sadly very true, but the Army lying to the family and the nation about what happened is the issue.

13 posted on 04/24/2007 11:03:04 AM PDT by Taking Congress back in 2010
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To: Primetimedonna
It was a bad move on someone’s part.

Pat's death was more than a personal tragedy for the family. It was a huge financial loss as well. It would seem some lawyers are working to help the family recoup some of that loss from the taxpayers. Stay tuned for the lawsuit...

14 posted on 04/24/2007 11:03:37 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

There reaches a point where I loose sympathy for the Sheahans of the world. I’m just about there with these narcissists.


15 posted on 04/24/2007 11:04:35 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
What would Pat do? Personally, I think a better question would be "What wouldn't Pat do?"

Pat wouldn't want the story of his death to give aid and comfort to the enemies of America. If that means covering up the friendly-fire aspects of his tragic death, then so be it. This kind of thing was standard operating proceedure on all sides during WWII. But of course, since we have a political party and media establishment who thinks they can make political gains by helping our enemies kill our boys in greater numbers, it's no surprise that they'd use Tillman's family so disgracefully.
16 posted on 04/24/2007 11:05:28 AM PDT by Antoninus (Have you donated to FR yet? What are you waiting for?)
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To: Taking Congress back in 2008

I agree that the lying was unjustified and unfortunate, but how many hearings and apologies will it take to soothe the pain of the family? I can’t imagine that keeping up the pressure, and damaging the credibility of the military anymore that it has already been damaged will prove helpful to anyone.

I lost a dear friend to Friendly Fire in Vietnam, and know it is even more painful to know that a loved one was killed by one of our own. But, parading the military leaders around in sack cloth and ashes isn’t helping anyone. Do you really think that any commander will purposely put his troops in danger. Just like with everything else in life, accidents unfortunately happen.

The lie should not have been told, but the bell can’t be unrung, how many apologies and hearings will be necessary to assuage the family’s pain? At some point they just become pawns of those who could care less about the loss of any soldier than they do about their own agenda.


17 posted on 04/24/2007 11:09:35 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: Antoninus

Pat wouldn't want the story of his death to give aid and comfort to the enemies of America...

BINGO!

18 posted on 04/24/2007 11:09:50 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: Taking Congress back in 2008
I totally agree.....it is always the cover-up.... Not only did they cover it up but they then fictionalized it for their own sake.....This may be a conservative site but somehow blaming the family and his brother for their indignation smacks of idealogical B.S. It is always the cover-up....as Roberto Gonzalez......
19 posted on 04/24/2007 11:10:09 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks for posting this! I was in mid-read over on Yahoo, when our power went “poof!” When I got it back, and got the computer rebooted and all, there was a different article on Yahoo.

And now, that I look again...the new article is gone, and there is a 3rd in its place...which seems to be a combination of the other two. But, I am always bugged if I can’t finish reading something I started (especially if it is taken away from me in mid-sentence! :P

Thanks again! :)


20 posted on 04/24/2007 11:10:28 AM PDT by Cailleach
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To: Primetimedonna

...how many apologies and hearings will be necessary to assuage the family’s pain? At some point they just become pawns of those who could care less about the loss of any soldier than they do about their own agenda.

BINGO again!

21 posted on 04/24/2007 11:11:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m not sure I get it. Sure, at first they announced merely that he was killed in action. But didn’t it come out within a couple of weeks that it had in fact been friendy fire?

Wouldn’t there have be an investigation before an official determination of fratricide was announced?

So what?


22 posted on 04/24/2007 11:12:05 AM PDT by Ramius ([sip])
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Regardless of how he died...friendly fire or otherwise...I have enormous respect for Tillman.In the same set of circumstances I'm not certain I would have done what he did.

Either his brother needs to be educated regarding combat (including,unfortunately,the fact that "friendly fire" incidents *do* happen) or else he needs to be bi*chslapped for being a worthless punk.

23 posted on 04/24/2007 11:13:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Treason helps me deal with my pain/grief! Don’t question my motives!”


24 posted on 04/24/2007 11:14:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Ramius
Sure, at first they announced merely that he was killed in action. But didn’t it come out within a couple of weeks that it had in fact been friendy fire?

Wouldn’t there have be an investigation before an official determination of fratricide was announced?

So what?

BINGO 3X!

25 posted on 04/24/2007 11:14:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: NorCalRepub

And non stop hearings and demands for apologies will accomplish what? The “cover up” has been uncovered.....what more needs to be done? I don’t think most people here have blamed the family, and have nothing but respect for their grief. But, enough! This rehashing accomplishes nothing.


26 posted on 04/24/2007 11:15:27 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I see that Jessica Lynch testified and said that she was no hero, that she ducked and prayed and didn’t shoot, like Pentagon reports said she did.

Has anyone seen any threads on this?


27 posted on 04/24/2007 11:15:46 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Either his brother needs to be educated regarding combat

Kevin Tillman has served in combat as a US Army Ranger.

His betrayal does not arise from ignorance or cowardice or inexperience, but from something darker.

28 posted on 04/24/2007 11:16:23 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Something that I actually heard them speculating about on the Today sh_t show - I was so aghast that I actually went to their website to see if they posted a story on it, but it looks like they pussed out... they were talking about this rumor currently (or so it would seem) going the rounds on the far-Left that Tillman's friendly-fire death wasn't an accident; he was fragged by his fellow Rangers because his views on the war had changed and he was starting to bitch about being over there. I can't find any information on this story even when I've Googled it - did anyone else see this dumb f__kin' thing?
29 posted on 04/24/2007 11:17:01 AM PDT by jakewashere (politically incorrect and proud of it since 1982)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The murky, heroic, rendition was circulated for a short time, if I remember correctly. Then the actual tragic facts came out later. So what is the problem? Part of me wishes a man who gave up his life did so in some storybook way. But in life tragic things happen. The question is: Why don’t thy just let it rest?


30 posted on 04/24/2007 11:17:23 AM PDT by CCCnative (waiting for socialism to fail in Santa Cruz as it did in Soviet Russia)
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To: Primetimedonna
This rehashing accomplishes nothing.

WRONG! Over time, this Abu Grabing of every military mis-step accomplishes plenty for the Islamists and their Democrat buddies.

31 posted on 04/24/2007 11:17:45 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

BDS helps heal the pain, how sick.

Good grief, they even had Code Pink there to help with the anti-war efforts.


32 posted on 04/24/2007 11:18:45 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Jeff Chandler

You’re right! Should have worded that better!


33 posted on 04/24/2007 11:19:00 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: TheDon

The brother will be running for office on dem ticket. The family will want to sue and cash in. I don’t know how this got screwed up but they want to drag Rummy in on it. It’s politics.


34 posted on 04/24/2007 11:20:12 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Antoninus
I think a better question would be "What wouldn't Pat do?"

Wouldn't lie. Wouldn't cover it up.

35 posted on 04/24/2007 11:20:21 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Primetimedonna

These hearings, and the media coverage, are just another attempt to embarrass and drag down GWB. They think he is responsible for all evil in the world. Apparently every single mistake the federal government makes, from friendly fire accidents to hurricane relief ALL are the fault of the president. He has to micromanage every single thing the government does. I guess we need to elect Superman as president then.

Of course when a Democrat wins the presidency he or she will be blameless and everything will be beautiful.


36 posted on 04/24/2007 11:20:44 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: wideawake
His betrayal does not arise from ignorance or cowardice or inexperience, but from something darker.

Oooh! Dark forces at work! (I'll bet Rove and the EVIL U.S.Army conspired over this.)

37 posted on 04/24/2007 11:21:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

How right you are!


38 posted on 04/24/2007 11:21:26 AM PDT by Primetimedonna (Charter member of the San Francisco SnowFlakes! We love our Tony! It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco.)
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To: Primetimedonna
I agree with you but when the cover up and fictionalization occur, then this is the outcome...haven’t politicians and bureaucrats learned this by now.....If the police accidentally shot and killed one of your relatives and then covered it up, I’d bet you’d be up in arms.... This just gives Waxman and his band of cronies more ammo to act stupidly...
39 posted on 04/24/2007 11:21:58 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Primetimedonna
every time his family opens their mouths and complains, pat tillman’s star shines less brightly. they should stick to honoring his memory as a “hero” before they wear out their welcome like cindy sheehan.
40 posted on 04/24/2007 11:22:18 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Ramius
I’m not sure I get it. Sure, at first they announced merely that he was killed in action. But didn’t it come out within a couple of weeks that it had in fact been friendy fire?

Wouldn’t there have be an investigation before an official determination of fratricide was announced?

So what?

Exactly.

A few weeks to evaluate the actual cause is more than reasonable. I remember it annunced that it was friendly fire not that long after the announcement of his death. If it was covered up for years, that would be a different scenario.

This family, unfortunately, thinks it is entitled to more than other military families due to their son's fame. It is really quite embarrassing.

41 posted on 04/24/2007 11:23:07 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: steve-b
Wouldn't lie. Wouldn't cover it up.

Is it a good and noble thing to reveal the cold, hard truth of tragic event that only emboldens and encourages ones enemies in a time of war?
42 posted on 04/24/2007 11:23:24 AM PDT by Antoninus (I won't vote for a liberal, regardless of party....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So it was fratricide. Happens. The real question is was he fragged?


43 posted on 04/24/2007 11:23:48 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: napscoordinator
I think the family is just upset because of the way they were lied to about the death.

What lie? This is where I lose contact. We were all told that Pat Tillman was killed in battle. I don't recall any specific narrative other than "in combat". If it was reported as "died heroically in combat"... That's *not* false. He *was* attacking an enemy position. That he was engaged by our side by mistake sucks, but it doesn't change his actions one bit.

If there was any embellishment of Tillman and his heroics, the people that did that are the *media* and not so much the Army. It was a compelling story and it wrote itself.

But I remember it coming out right away, within a couple of weeks IIRC, that the Army investigation confirmed instead that he was killed by his own unit by mistake. Not much of a coverup, if you ask me.

44 posted on 04/24/2007 11:25:07 AM PDT by Ramius ([sip])
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To: jakewashere
That story has been out there for a while. Don’t be surprised if the chorus gets louder as time goes on, with even perhaps the Tillman family joining in. I can tell you from my own personal experience that there is a fairly large and very vindictive group of Americans who hold George W. Bush personally responsible for a fascist, war crime and corruption ridden regime that, in their view. must be brought to justice. EVERYTHING that happens is seen through that prism of their unbalanced viewpoint.
45 posted on 04/24/2007 11:26:48 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Ramius

The media probably did not help matters, but if the Army had investigated the incident before saying anything they may have saved themselve much embarrassment. This could not have helped matters.


46 posted on 04/24/2007 11:27:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: BurbankKarl
This guy hates the military and can’t let go of his 15 minutes. I’m sick of these people. Pat would be appauled.
47 posted on 04/24/2007 11:28:31 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: Jeff Chandler
By something darker, I mean the fact that Kevin Tillman has consciously embraced individuals like Cindy Sheehan and Noam Chomsky whom he knows to be haters of America and slanderers of America's fighting men.

He knows what he is doing is wrong, but he does it anyway because he is so consumed by anger and bitterness that he prefers getting revenge to do what he knows is right.

This is a Satanic temptation - and the fact that Kevin Tillman has openly declared his contempt for God and people who believe in Him tells me that something has gone very wrong in his psyche.

It would be easier to understand if he were just a coward like Ehren Watada, but he isn't.

48 posted on 04/24/2007 11:29:07 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

His Death was still heroic - he was trying his best to protect his soldiers - it was unfortunate that because he had an Afghan Soldier with him, his own compatriates who were under fire, mistook him for Taliban and opened fire on him.

Stonewall Jackson had a similar end and he is no less of a hero. I believe the bullet that got him was from his own troops.

Whoever is in charge of these ‘war-stories’ is quiet stupid and goes for short term glory and long term embarrassment.

Here are few that I can remember that started out as dramatic heart wrenching stories and then required shameful back pedalling, Jessica, Conversation with British Pilot during Bush’s surprise Thanks giving trip to Iraq, Tillman.

Enough already you STUPID MORON, stop pedalling crap and digging bigger hole for administration.


49 posted on 04/24/2007 11:29:45 AM PDT by The_Republican (So Dark The Con of Man)
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To: NorCalRepub
but when the cover up and fictionalization occur

I don't remember the fictionalization. Can you point to a contemporaneous story from the Army that was fictionalized?

I'm not contesting your statement, I simply don't recall any, and would be interested to see if there were stories like that at the time.

50 posted on 04/24/2007 11:30:24 AM PDT by Ramius ([sip])
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