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Religious group attacks religion in U.S. healthcare
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | 04/24/07 | By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

Posted on 04/25/2007 2:57:26 AM PDT by Bluestateredman

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Religious group attacks religion in U.S. healthcare By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor Tue Apr 24, 6:11 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A coalition of religious leaders took on the Catholic Church, the U.S. Supreme Court and the Bush administration on Tuesday with a plea to take religion out of health care in the United States.

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They said last week's Supreme Court decision outlawing a certain type of abortion demonstrated that religious belief was interfering with personal rights and the U.S. health care system in general.

The group, calling itself the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, said it planned to submit its proposals to other church groups and lobby Congress and state legislators.

"With the April 18 Supreme Court decision banning specific abortion procedures, concerns are being raised in religious communities about the ethics of denying these services," the group said in a statement.

"They are imposing their points of view," Barbara Kavadias, director of field services for the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, told reporters in a telephone briefing.

She noted that the five Supreme Court justices on the majority in the 5-4 decision were all Catholic men -- Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Anthony Kennedy, Justice Samuel Alito, Justice Clarence Thomas and Justice Antonin Scalia.

All were appointed by conservative Republican presidents who oppose abortion, including President George W. Bush.

The group also complained about Catholic-owned hospitals that refuse to sterilize women who ask for it, refuse to let doctors perform abortions and do not provide contraception.

"Doctors, pharmacists and nurses are also increasingly exercising a so-called 'religious or moral objection,' refusing to provide essential services and often leaving patients without other options," the group said in a statement.

CODIFYING RELIGION

"And now, to make it worse, the government is codifying these refusals, first through legislation and now with the recent Supreme Court decision, where five Catholic men decided that they could better determine what was moral and good than the physicians, women and families facing difficult, personal choices in problem pregnancies," it added.

The group includes ordained Protestant ministers, a Jewish activist, an expert on women's reproductive rights and several physicians.

"The threat comes from a few, but powerful, religions and a few ... powerful religious leaders who pretend to speak for all religions," said Larry Greenfield, executive minister of the American Baptist Churches of Metro Chicago.

"Health care decisions ought to be made freely, based on medical expertise and individual conscience," he added.

The group wrote up a series of guidelines and asked for all health care providers to implement them.

They include allowing doctors to use best medical practices, providing comprehensive counseling on sexual or reproductive health and an agreement to honor advance directives -- including "do not resuscitate" orders.

"Refusal to provide health care would be balanced by alternate service delivery so that no one would be victimized when another exercises his/her conscience," the guidelines read.

Marie Hilliard of the National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia said she had grave concerns about the report.

"There is no recognition of the true meaning of the separation of church and state, which mandates that the free exercise of religion, including that of the provider, be respected," she said.

"What we have tried to avoid is to be coercive ourselves," Greenfield said. "We have tried to allow for the freedom of conscience of every participant in the health care system."

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KEYWORDS: abortion; antireligion; christianleft; christophobia; cultureofdeath; frontgroup; leftists; makingitup; misotheism; moloch; religiousleft; soros; zogbyism
What an absolutely bigoted and hateful article. The libs are Gestapo like in their intolerance of Catholics. By any chance is the "priest" in the picture a lesbian?
1 posted on 04/25/2007 2:57:30 AM PDT by Bluestateredman
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To: Bluestateredman
See also the earlier post Religious group attacks religion in U.S. healthcare
2 posted on 04/25/2007 3:05:35 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (The Greens steal in fear of pollution, The Reds in fear of greed; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Bluestateredman
"And now, to make it worse, the government is codifying these refusals, first through legislation and now with the recent Supreme Court decision, where five Catholic men decided that they could better determine what was moral and good than the physicians, women and families facing difficult, personal choices in problem pregnancies,"

I was under the impression that it has been determined for a number of years that murder was NOT moral and good.
3 posted on 04/25/2007 3:11:19 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Bluestateredman

Is the law against murder an incursion of religion into secular government just because “Thou shall not kill” is one of the 10 commandments? It is ridiculous to claim that the ban on partial birth abortion is a ‘religious’ decision. It is a barbaric practice, and I have NEVER heard any legitimate medical justification for it. My faith is central in my life, but my support for this ban is not based on some finite religious principle, but rather on the sensibilities of wanting to do the right things and be a humane human being.


4 posted on 04/25/2007 3:17:14 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Bluestateredman

Episcopal church USA, “humanist “Jews (?), the UCC, Ethical societies, hell, the Scientologists are more of a religion than these.


5 posted on 04/25/2007 3:26:10 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Bluestateredman

Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice is another Soros funded organization.


6 posted on 04/25/2007 3:33:07 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Bluestateredman

Smells to me like a George Soros front group.


7 posted on 04/25/2007 3:33:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Hussein Obama: The Manchurian Candidate from the Maddrassa)
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To: Beckwith
where five Catholic men decided that they could better determine what was moral and good than the physicians, women and families facing difficult, personal choices in problem pregnancies,"

That's ironic because 34 years ago 7 men overturned the laws of 33 states opposing abortion and found it to be a right in the Constitution.

Let's go back to the situation ante-1973, seems more democratic to me.

As Joseph Sobran once wrote (and this echoes my sentiments) as to the charge that pro-lifers are trying to impose the teachings of the Catholic Church on non-believers, "The Pope can make abortion a sacrament tomorrow and it would still be wrong."

8 posted on 04/25/2007 3:34:39 AM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: Bluestateredman

Perhaps we shouldn’t allow people who attend church to vote. after all that fits the true meaning of the separation of state from church.


9 posted on 04/25/2007 3:39:24 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Bluestateredman

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Only 300$ per acre !!! Get an original certificate of ownership now (multiple exclamation marks)


10 posted on 04/25/2007 3:48:23 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Bluestateredman

Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

Today's BAAL worshipers...

11 posted on 04/25/2007 3:53:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bluestateredman
How can we ignore a MILLION deaths a year,
calling it 'CHOICE',
and call 32 dead 'Mass Murder'??

12 posted on 04/25/2007 3:55:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Bluestateredman

LOL...Imagine that...religious belief is interfering with crushing babies’ skulls and sucking out their brains. What “religious leaders” could possibly be in favor of this barbaric practice?
One thing is sure. These worshipers of death will be separated into the goat herd on Judgment Day.


13 posted on 04/25/2007 4:09:44 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Bluestateredman
The group includes ordained Protestant ministers...

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There are plenty of protestant Freepers who dump on Catholics every chance they get.

On a tangental note....yesterday at the Post Office I saw Jehovah Witness style booklets placed on the counters that were titled..."Exploring the Koran".

I threw them out.

14 posted on 04/25/2007 4:16:04 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Beckwith

Five JUDGES decided what should be done. What this council carefully ignore is that THEY are deciding in exactly the same way.


15 posted on 04/25/2007 4:23:06 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Bluestateredman
"Doctors, pharmacists and nurses are also increasingly exercising a so-called 'religious or moral objection,' refusing to provide essential services and often leaving patients without other options," the group said in a statement.

Seems to me that these doctors, pharmacists, and nurses are pro-choice in that they have voluntarily chosen life over death. Once again, this demonstrates that pro-choice really means pro-abortion, because any other choice, except abortion, is unacceptable.

16 posted on 04/25/2007 4:32:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Bluestateredman

“The group includes ordained Protestant ministers, a Jewish activist, an expert on women’s reproductive rights and several physicians.”

i.e., another phony religious group—liberal activists masquerading as believers to get the attention of the media.


17 posted on 04/25/2007 4:40:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Bluestateredman
They said last week's Supreme Court decision outlawing a certain type of abortion demonstrated that religious belief was interfering with personal rights and the U.S. health care system in general.

Partial birth abortion has absolutely no medical value as a procedure and actually increases the risk to the mother.

If the ultimate goal is to kill the unborn child, then, from a purely medical point of view, the safest procedure for the mother would be to deliver the child in one piece without all the unnecessary instrumentation inside the mother and then simply kill the child after it is born.

It is the abortionists that are mixing medicine with other issues.

18 posted on 04/25/2007 4:48:45 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Vanders9

RE: Five JUDGES decided what should be done.

My understanding was the majority of the elected officials decided what should (not) be done, and five judges decided not to overrule the will of the people as expressed by their representatives.


19 posted on 04/25/2007 4:54:36 AM PDT by Gil4 (Time Man of the Year 2006 - and I'm darned proud of it)
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To: Bluestateredman

So, coalition of “religious” leaders, what part of piercing the baby’s skull, sucking out the baby’s brain, and crushing the baby’s skull do you like best?


20 posted on 04/25/2007 4:54:39 AM PDT by Lord Basil (stupisticated - Having a refined fantasy view of the world that is typically based on group-think.)
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To: Bluestateredman

Hate filled, bigotry from a phony abortion industry front group.


21 posted on 04/25/2007 4:58:55 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Bluestateredman

What about euthanasia? Is the termination of unfit next?


22 posted on 04/25/2007 5:06:57 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: kittymyrib
What “religious leaders” could possibly be in favor of this barbaric practice?

Whatever name they claim, they are followers of Moloch.

23 posted on 04/25/2007 5:06:58 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Bluestateredman
"A coalition of religious leaders........."

Okay, where does the author of this journalistic masterpiece list the names of these "leaders", i.e. what their professions are in the religious community, where are they from geographically, what denominations do they purport to represent, what churches or organizations are they affiliated with, what other non-religious organizations are they affiliated with, and so forth.

Most people reading this propaganda never ask these questions and just take at face value that these "leaders" represent anything of note or substance in the religious world.

They could be Wiccans, Wobblies or Mugwumps for all we know.

Leni

24 posted on 04/25/2007 5:17:42 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bahama Mama ( moi ) planning FReeper vacation week. Not a cruise. It's "FReeps Ashore!" Stay tuned!)
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To: Bluestateredman
"What we have tried to avoid is to be coercive ourselves," Greenfield said. "We have tried to allow for the freedom of conscience of every participant in the health care system."

Oh really...so if a nurse takes it upon him/herself to administer "mercy killings" with the justification of freedom from religious/moral tenets this is reasonable? Partial birth abortion was flat out MURDER and should never have been legal.

25 posted on 04/25/2007 5:22:22 AM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Beckwith
I was under the impression that it has been determined for a number of years that murder was NOT moral and good.

Your comment on the immorality and evil along with others of a similar vein exemplify why I converted to the Roman Catholic faith. Now if we could get equal opposition from the Church on homosexuality.

26 posted on 04/25/2007 5:43:07 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: driftdiver

“Perhaps we shouldn’t allow people who attend church to vote. after all that fits the true meaning of the separation of state from church.”

Scary thought...but that may be their ultimate goal!


27 posted on 04/25/2007 5:56:44 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Polybius

“They said last week’s Supreme Court decision outlawing a certain type of abortion demonstrated that religious belief was interfering with personal rights and the U.S. health care system in general.”

Just how far are they willing to take this personal rights hokum? Murder is to be sanctioned...as a personal right? Why have any code of laws? We must have the personal right to do any thing we wish.


28 posted on 04/25/2007 6:02:29 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

Abortion is not health care.


29 posted on 04/25/2007 6:11:24 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Bluestateredman

I’m an atheist. I agree with the decision. Where does that leave their argument?


30 posted on 04/25/2007 6:29:23 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Gil4

Well, yes, there is that behind it.


31 posted on 04/25/2007 7:10:20 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: tflabo

Exactly! Are not the doctors and nurses “participants” in the health care system? Supposing they don’t wish to carry out abortions and 2mercy killings”? Is their alternative to leave the profession?

All this talk of imposing moral standards and coercion of belief is all very well, but these people carefully ignore that is exactly what they are guilty of themselves.


32 posted on 04/25/2007 7:13:22 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Bluestateredman
The group includes ordained Protestant ministers, a Jewish activist, an expert on women's reproductive rights and several physicians.

The activist is not "Jewish". Jewish Law clearly defines abortion as murder.

33 posted on 04/25/2007 7:19:20 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Roy Tucker
"women and families facing difficult, personal choices in problem pregnancies,"

The this group, being pregnant itself IS the "problem".

34 posted on 04/25/2007 7:21:32 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Lion Den Dan
Now if we could get equal opposition from the Church on homosexuality.

The Pope condemned homosexuality just last week.
35 posted on 04/25/2007 7:34:40 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Bluestateredman
the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

A suspicious name for a "religious" group.

Sounds like another front group for the Sex Positive (hedonist) Agenda. If it feels good do it. Abortion is a right. Everyone sexually active at every age. No moral judgements over any sexual pairings. Abstinence is unhealthy because it is a supression of sexual desires. Et al.

36 posted on 04/25/2007 9:05:25 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Brilliant
i.e., another phony religious group—liberal activists masquerading as believers to get the attention of the media.

It works for Fred Phelps (D) and his family's cult.

37 posted on 04/25/2007 9:09:34 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: wtc911
There are plenty of protestant Freepers who dump on Catholics every chance they get.

I would not say there are "plenty", but there are quite a few of us...

38 posted on 04/25/2007 10:06:18 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Liberals are willing to sacrifice any amount of someone else's money to increase their own power...)
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To: Bluestateredman
The ethics of preserving life mean nothing to religious leftists. Do they believe an infant has a soul? If they truly believed in God they would not support such unconscionable procedures in the name of "choice."

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

39 posted on 04/25/2007 10:27:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: montag813
Judaism allows abortion to save the life of the mother so it doesn't classify abortion as murder. If a choice has to be made, then one should save the life of the mother since she can have a child again. But Judaism doesn't approve of abortion on demand. A necessary evil can never be a positive good and Judaism's principle, after exalting God, is to affirm the holiness of human life.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 04/25/2007 10:32:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

To leftists, religious churches are another class of groups they want to infiltrate to get a whole new set of libs.

In the case of UU, it seems to be working...


41 posted on 04/25/2007 12:04:35 PM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Bluestateredman

So, everyone that thinks abortion is wrong is basing it on religious convictions? I am a Christian and believe it is Biblically wrong, however, I also disagree with it for other reasons. I believe that life begins at conception. There has to be a starting point and it’s not at birth, or there would be nothing to abort. I think medical science makes that clear, period. These people are so deceived.


42 posted on 04/25/2007 2:25:45 PM PDT by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr. The man on my POW bracelet.)
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To: Gil4

You nailed it!


43 posted on 04/25/2007 3:26:47 PM PDT by sarasmom ( The cover of my "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is now flashing "Panic".)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice is another Soros-funded organization.

What an evil little man. Using his ill-gotten gains to undermine America and Western Civilization under cover of various front groups.

If the media would do their job and expose his funding of these groups, the groups would lose their illegitimate influence.

44 posted on 04/25/2007 3:38:15 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: Bluestateredman

What about the 5 or 6 justices (not sure of number) in 1973 that imposed their beliefs on every state. The science has advanced so much since that ruling and they were proved wrong. They, too, were relying on blind faith that the fetus felt no pain, etc.


46 posted on 04/25/2007 3:47:45 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Brilliant

Another bunch of religious idiots who knoweth not God...


47 posted on 04/25/2007 4:02:47 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Beckwith
The Pope condemned homosexuality just last week.

You are right. I am building a house and am therefore behind the times.

48 posted on 04/25/2007 5:51:49 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: goldstategop

For a very long time (I think since Roman times in fact) the medical and ethical position has been to put the life of the mother ahead of that of the unborn child, in the tragic circumstances when such a horrid choice has to be made.

Personally I’m quite sure that is right.


49 posted on 04/28/2007 3:54:35 PM PDT by Vanders9
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