Skip to comments.Why Is Pizza Shop Owner That Shot Armed Robber Having to Defend Himself?
Posted on 04/25/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by CCCnative
A story in the San Francisco Chronicle today describes a shooting in East Oakland in which a beloved young rapper was gunned down in the prime of life.
The rapper's nickname was Boonie, and not far from where he was shot dead a memorial has sprung up with flowers and hand-printed messages from his many friends in the neighborhood. "The world's gonna miss u," read one message. ... an Oakland cop actually saying he wants the citizens he is supposed to protect let themselves be victimized rather than defend themselves. Holmgren said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."
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Because a portion of America is insane and has been hoodwinked
I bet Tameka in Cleveland would be outraged........Outraged that the Pizza Owner wasn’t arrested for murder!........
THIS IS F’N NUTS!!!!
Once again, another superb example of that all important Democratic principle: Talk is precious, action is cheap.
Meanwhile, the punk who put a gun at the business owner’s head is viewed as a good person.
Pretzel logic is alive and well in the Bay area.
They guy's in trouble because he was foolish enough to operate a family business in E. Oakland.
But if the cop had been working a second job at his families pizza joint when it got robbed and he felt his family was threatened he would have said it was his duty as a cop to protect his family.
"Officer, you see that dead guy over there on the floor.......Yeah....He's the guy you're looking for."
Store owners, besieged by idiotic families filing lawsuits for some quick easy cash, will avoid going bankrupt by killing the perp, skip calling the police, quietly clean up, and then make a midnight trip to dump the body somewhere.
“to be good report-takers and to identify suspects.”
The perfect “liberal” response,...talk, all talk and nothing but talk. No action, no reality, no pragmatism, no self-defense. Just be a victim even if it causes your own death. Better you than one of the poor “minority” criminal thugs and gansta’s.
The law recognizes self defense chief. Excersizing self defense is not taking the law into one's own hands and You're not the law you friggin' idiot.
He wants citizens to be murdered in their own homes and businesses. Defending their lives and property against some murdering thug is not "taking the law into their own hands" you stupid jackbooted thug-with-a-badge.
There, fixed it.
It’s always better to be judged by 12 strangers than carried by 6 friends.
And who knew where Timothy McVeigh was going to take the situation on April 19, 1995 when he decided to take his truck out for a drive?
"We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."
Citizens don't need to take the law into their own hands, that's what the police are for. However, citizens need to take their safety into their own hands, which is what the owner did, because it's hard to be a good witness when your body is room temperature.
LOL Honestly, it’s probably the only way he would be caught.
Nothing frightens politicians like armed citizens willing to defend themselves and their self interest for the sake of justice. From the perspective of a corrupt politician, the difference between armed citizens writing injustice (possibly their own corrupt practices) and mob rule is too close to handle.
My experience is that the more corrupt the political jurisdiction, the more they want only the police to have firearms. There may be exceptions, but if you look at the major cities with the most restrictive gun laws in the US you will see a long history of political corruption.
California does not recognize the right to self-defense.
One less “rap ah”.
Decent people can’t live in hellholes like Oakland. Get out run for your life. It is Zimbabwe in places like that. It is a jungle and the animals rule.
I wonder what the good officer Holmgren would have done if a thug placed a gun to the head of one of his family members.
If business owners have to be treated like this then maybe more of them should just close up shop. This will lead to more economic downturns in “bad” neighborhoods. Then the community leaders will complain about poverty and the lack of opportunity in their areas. Sheesh.
I guess he hadn't heard the latest from the rapper Cam'ron.
That cop should work in Oakland unarmed. I’m saying that as a former cop who worked south central L.A. during the time of black panthers/crips.
Does the NRA defend people in a situation like this pizza shop owner?
If they don’t have such a program, they should have.
“Because a portion of America is insane and has been hoodwinked”
Exactly. Hey man, that RICH dude who owns the pizza shop was oppressin’ the poor, noble rapper, who DESERVED to take the money the pizza owner wouldn’t give him!
And then to shoot him while the good, noble, rapper was robbing him? Maaaan, dat ain’t right!
How it is that a portion of our population believes this way is just unbelievable.
Crazy World ping
What is the penalty for public officials who do not honor their oath of office? Unfortunately, there is none! We citizens need to fix that little problem so we can keep our public servants in line.
Herein, we have a story about a very bad police officer with a socialist (big government) attitude who should be immediately fired.
Think not? Let’s get real here. Turn this question around: Were he working his wife’s shop one night while his whole family were in back, does anyone really believe this guy would NOT pop a cap on the perp if given the chance for a clean shot — or would he just be a “citizen witness and report-taker,” as he says others should do?
Throw the bum out! He’s a very poor public servant.
Sure they do. These clowns don't, but the law does. That's why they can't charge this guy with anything, even though they love to.
Sorry, but you are wrong, CA does recognize the right to self defense, SF trys to suppress it but so far they haven't succeeded.
Yep. Holmgren can flap all he wants. The owner of the pizza shop isn’t going to be prosecuted. Holmgren gets NO say in that.
Stores in the inner city are never held up by thugs, or armed robbers or gangsters.
They are held up by "aspiring musicians", "aspiring professional athletes", "high school juniors" etc.
Steal here die here. End of discussion, officer.
“We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects.”
Kinda hard to do this if you are dead. Just when you think things can’t get any more insane......
It's a non-judgmental thing, or just mental if one prefers accuracy.
Best witness you could ask for! He kept track of ALL the evidence!
He's right, you know. If only the Virginia Tech shooter had known the cops were only there to observe and take notes he wouldn't have gotten nervous and shot himself by accident, prematurely ending his right to act out his aggression.
We must continue to provide safe, target-rich environments for these poor souls or become known as a nation that has little regard for its troubled yutes.
Where are the copsuckers? Not here to lick the jackboots yet and tell us why the "police are on our side?"
There’s a new sheriff in town; his name is Ron Dellums, mayor, and a proud communist all of his professional life. After a 22-year run in the House of Reps, during which he was consistently voted the most ineffectual member of Congress, he brings his vision of “community policing” to Oakland. This looks like the first test for the seriously aging pinko to show whose side he favors. But I don’t hold out much hope for the people of Oakland. When Oakland-bred former drug kingpin Felix Mitchell was whacked in Federal prison, the leader of his endless funeral cortege in Oakland was...yep, Ron.
This does no excuse Officer
Krupke's Holmgren's assinine statements.
You can’t defend yourself in today’s society. People who can defend themselves aren’t dependent on government. That lack of dependency is the cardinal sin to libs.
So, if I came up to the rapper and stuck a gun in his neck, I would have been OK. He or his boys wouldn’t have killed me with their guns.
Probably a few “motorists” hold up stores, too.
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