Skip to comments.Research questions evolution theories
Posted on 04/25/2007 6:47:07 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
Scientists at the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies believe discoveries about the genetic complexity of coral could rewrite theories about evolution.
After identifying about 10,000 genes, they believe coral could contain more genes than humans who posses about 20,000.
Coral is considered to be a simple animal.
However, Professor David Miller says its genetic complexity challenges the notion that life started out simple then evolved to become more sophisticated.
"There's this intrinsic tendency to think about a slow accumulation of complexity and a slow accumulation of genes which have allowed an increased morphological complexity in higher animals and what the coral genomes tell us is that that's completely wrong and that most genes were invented very early in animal evolution," he said.
Prof Miller says another surprise has been that coral shares many genes with humans, including those related to the development of immune systems.
"These are very, very simple animals, therefore if we can advance our understanding of how some of these immune functions work in a simple animal then that may pay back into [a] clearer understanding of some immune functions in higher animals," he said.
Makes sense ~ to optimize chances for survival the “seed carrier” has to have all the genes it might need. The retroviruses can then “trim” the genome to meet local limitations and opportunities.
Probably will. To survive, this bad theory has to be written everytime science moves forward.
The only oddity they report (in what you quote) is that simple coral might have more genes than humans, not fewer. Only if one insists that more complex animals must have more genes than apparently simple animals is this a puzzle. Guess that means this isn't so ... whoopee!
Whomever wrote that headline from this evidence was fishing for a story.
Well, that settles it. Everything was created just as it is now. There is no evolution. However, the creator remains the Great Spaghetti Monster.
Makes "deletions" more important.
Cue the “it changed, ergo it must be wrong” crowd.
Who said it was a theory? I thought Huxley showed it was a religion?
ABC.net is biased towards creationism? Who knew!
How many changes did we give John Kerry before deciding his views were invalid?
Completely irrelevant retort, though legitimate against IDists.
Indeed. He who forgets the pasta’s condemned to reheat it.
People only have 35,000. Of course we have higher order information processing systems at work on that genome using the minimum number of genes to produce the maximum number of proteins.
A simpler critter, without the higher order info processing systems has got to have more genes.
No doubt they'll find these guys have several tens of thousand more genes than people ~ maybe that "million genes" they used to guess we had.
Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo We control the horizontal, we control the vertical - welcome to ..... “The Twilight Zone”.
The earth is really flat. Its just that the ocean rushes around so fast at the edges that it APPEARS to be round. Those satillite photos are part of a government plot!!!
Fancy that, coral is more complex than Al Gore.
These are creationist scientists hoping to prove evolution wrong? Who knew!
Nice to read especially from ABC news. Thanks for the post. Of course evolution (macro evolution) is totally bogus.
Kent, is that you?
Yes. I have awakened and returned.
Just to clarify, this is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) not our American version. I tried to make it look different in the attribution, but I think it will confuse a lot of people.
Good to read it here anyway. The more we learn the more evolution leans over towards crashing into the dustbin of false theories.....(macro evolution).
Read your mail.
Read yours. :-D
Again? How many times are they going to rewrite this theory?
Yeah, I mean God just has to work on a human time scale, doesn't he? /sarc
“Whomever wrote that headline from this evidence was fishing for a story.”
The interesting part is that coral has human genes that e coli and so-called “intermediate” species don’t have.
In other words, we have DNA code skipping.
Of course, evolution and code skipping are mutually exclusive.
So you’re saying the Aussie news writer was creationist?
There really is no purpose or design. Things just appear to be purposeful or designed.
"Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996
"Darwinian natural selection can produce an uncanny illusion of design... So powerful is the illusion of design, it took humanity until the mid-19th century to realise that it is an illusion." Dawkins, New Scientist, 2005 p.33
So...Coral evolved from us?
In his 1885 Darwin Memorial essay, Huxley said that Origin of Species was a convenient way of selling some wider doctrine that applies to ethics, cosmology, etc.
For, whatever be the ultimate verdict of posterity upon this or that opinion which Mr. Darwin has propounded; whatever adumbrations or anticipations of his doctrines may be found in the writings of his predecessors; the broad fact remains that, since the publication and by reason of the publication, of "The Origin of Species" the fundamental conceptions and the aims of the students of living Nature have been completely changed... But the impulse thus given to scientific thought rapidly spread beyond the ordinarily recognised limits of biology. Psychology, Ethics, Cosmology were stirred to their foundations, and the "Origin of Species" proved itself to be the fixed point which the general doctrine of evolution needed in order to move the world.Huxley also said this in 1871 (Darwin's Critics):
Thus far the contradiction between Catholic verity and Scientific verity is complete and absolute, quite independently of the truth or falsehood of the doctrine of evolution. But, for those who hold the doctrine of evolution, all the Catholic verities about the creation of living beings must be no less false In addition to the truth of the doctrine of evolution, indeed, one of its greatest merits in my eyes, is the fact that it occupies a position of complete and irreconcilable antagonism to that vigorous and consistent enemy of the highest intellectual, moral, and social life of mankind the Catholic Church.
Those who do almost always employ the modal fallacy to arrive at that conclusion.
Do you have any more info on instances of “code skipping”?
At first it seems like Evolution and “code skipping” cann ot coexist, but it could mean that the codes were originally in the intermediary species, but got dropped along the way.
You can invent a “just-so” story for any evidence to make it fall in line with evolution. Once you accept the magical idea of simple to complex into science, anything is explainable by it.
I’d say this thread is good for about 5000 posts ...
I think all you have disproven, at most, is that there is not a direct linear evolutionary path from e coli to coral to humans. It is quite possible, indeed seems almost certain to me from this evidence and more than likely even without this evidence that humans are not descended from modern day corals, but rather both descend from some common ancestor - perhaps a really ancient e coli, I don't know.
I suspect you were reaching for that conclusion to discredit evolution about as bad as the author of the posted article was reaching for that headline.
When you take such great delight in finding something that you can label "evolution" that is manifestly too hard to have ever occurred, then I can only conclude that you are more interested in shouting down evolution than you are in understanding how life evolved.
I’m not reaching. I’m simply noting evidence.
Don’t fear the truth.
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