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Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’ (Carbon Offset fraud)
Financial Times ^ | April 25 2007 22:07 | Fiona Harvey and Stephen Fidler

Posted on 04/25/2007 7:27:30 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird

Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’

By Fiona Harvey and Stephen Fidler in London

Published: April 25 2007 22:07 | Last updated: April 25 2007 22:07

Companies and individuals rushing to go green have been spending millions on “carbon credit” projects that yield few if any environmental benefits.

A Financial Times investigation has uncovered widespread failings in the new markets for greenhouse gases, suggesting some organisations are paying for emissions reductions that do not take place.

Others are meanwhile making big profits from carbon trading for very small expenditure and in some cases for clean-ups that they would have made anyway.

The growing political salience of environmental politics has sparked a “green gold rush”, which has seen a dramatic expansion in the number of businesses offering both companies and individuals the chance to go “carbon neutral”, offsetting their own energy use by buying carbon credits that cancel out their contribution to global warming.

The burgeoning regulated market for carbon credits is expected to more than double in size to about $68.2bn by 2010, with the unregulated voluntary sector rising to $4bn in the same period.

The FT investigation found: 

■ Widespread instances of people and organisations buying worthless credits that do not yield any reductions in carbon emissions.

■ Industrial companies profiting from doing very little – or from gaining carbon credits on the basis of efficiency gains from which they have already benefited substantially.

■ Brokers providing services of questionable or no value.

■ A shortage of verification, making it difficult for buyers to assess the true value of carbon credits.

■ Companies and individuals being charged over the odds for the private purchase of European Union carbon permits that have plummeted in value because they do not result in emissions cuts.

Francis Sullivan, environment adviser at HSBC, the UK’s biggest bank that went carbon-neutral in 2005, said he found “serious credibility concerns” in the offsetting market after evaluating it for several months.

“The police, the fraud squad and trading standards need to be looking into this. Otherwise people will lose faith in it,” he said.

These concerns led the bank to ignore the market and fund its own carbon reduction projects directly.

Some companies are benefiting by asking “green” consumers to pay them for cleaning up their own pollution. For instance, DuPont, the chemicals company, invites consumers to pay $4 to eliminate a tonne of carbon dioxide from its plant in Kentucky that produces a potent greenhouse gas called HFC-23. But the equipment required to reduce such gases is relatively cheap. DuPont refused to comment and declined to specify its earnings from the project, saying it was at too early a stage to discuss.

The FT has also found examples of companies setting up as carbon offsetters without appearing to have a clear idea of how the markets operate. In response to FT inquiries about its sourcing of carbon credits, one company, carbonvoucher.com, said it had not taken payments for offsets.

Blue Source, a US offsetting company, invites consumers to offset carbon emissions by investing in enhanced oil recovery, which pumps carbon dioxide into depleted oil wells to bring up the remaining oil. However, Blue Source said that because of the high price of oil, this process was often profitable in itself, meaning operators were making extra revenues from selling “carbon credits” for burying the carbon.

There is nothing illegal in these practices. However, some companies that are offsetting their emissions have avoided such projects because customers may find them controversial.

BP said it would not buy credits resulting from improvements in industrial efficiency or from most renewable energy projects in developed countries.

Additional reporting by Rebecca Bream



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: carbon; carbonoffsetscam; global; globalwarming; gorebalism; warming
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Algore is part owner of a carbon offset scam company isn't he?
1 posted on 04/25/2007 7:27:35 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: xcamel
Politics of Global Warming ping...

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2 posted on 04/25/2007 7:33:59 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Hey, I have a one half acre wooded lot that cannot be built on, er I mean, I won't build on if I can sell the carbon credits from my trees. How do I find a sucker customer for my credits? Any ideas?
3 posted on 04/25/2007 7:37:45 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Link about Gore’s “offset” company:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1812291/posts


4 posted on 04/25/2007 7:40:17 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Working as planned.


5 posted on 04/25/2007 7:40:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lafroste
How do I find a sucker customer for my credits? Any ideas?

Dial 411 and ask for Algore's number.

6 posted on 04/25/2007 7:41:31 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Seems fishy:

The confusion, Campbell said, arose because GIM pays to offset the energy use of its operations and the personal emissions of its 23 employees, including Gore.

So, the firm will cover the cost to offset the energy use at Gore's home, or his global jet travel, as it would the offset cost of any other employee, Campbell said.

Gore's company pays for his "offsets" and he makes money from his company.

7 posted on 04/25/2007 7:44:39 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“The FT has also found examples of companies setting up as carbon offsetters without appearing to have a clear idea of how the markets operate.”

FT is still a little behind the ball.

The carbon offsetters know clearly what they are doing.


8 posted on 04/25/2007 7:45:34 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Just in time as campaigns and elites have committed to spending $$ on these things. How convenient...


9 posted on 04/25/2007 7:45:35 PM PDT by eureka! (The 'rats have made their choice in the WOT and honest history will not be kind...)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Algore is part owner of a carbon offset scam company isn't he?

No. His company (Generation Investment Management) pays another (CarbonNeutral) for offsets on his behalf - for his personal and business-related carbon sins.

All prior reports that Gore owns an offset company or pays his company for offsets were based on his spokesman speaking gibberish to The Tenneseean, making that appear to be the case when it wasn't. They've since changed their story.
10 posted on 04/25/2007 7:45:48 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

This scam sounds similar to the “name your own star” scam.


11 posted on 04/25/2007 7:52:37 PM PDT by syriacus (Princeton's Peter Singer-"It's OK to kill flawed infants." Cho-"It's OK to kill flawed students.")
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To: Shermy

I think it may be that they snatched up URLs with plans of selling to fools but haven’t had time to put the scheme together as of yet. CarbonOffsetsSoldToMoronsHere.com is currently available. It’s worth a try...


12 posted on 04/25/2007 7:53:04 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: syriacus

It’s more like the Internet Bubble. Everybody’s dumping money into projects that are going absolutely nowhere, do nothing for the environment, and just push money around. Eventually the system will crash unless the Left get in control again and force offsets (taxes) on the general public.


13 posted on 04/25/2007 8:06:15 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
And, I saw a post today that he's on the board of Lehman Bros.

They want to be the leader in the carbon credit scam business.

14 posted on 04/25/2007 8:11:38 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; Shermy

Since no standards or oversights exist for this industry it’s impossible to check anything any of these people claim. It’s like a company selling acreage on the Moon.


15 posted on 04/25/2007 8:17:56 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

>>“The police, the fraud squad and trading standards need to be looking into this. Otherwise people will lose faith in it,” he said.

Many of us have been paying attention, and already have.


16 posted on 04/25/2007 8:19:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Since no standards or oversights exist for this industry it’s impossible to check anything any of these people claim.”

Such standards exist in the Euro trading area, and are worthless, cheatable, and promote government corruption.


17 posted on 04/25/2007 8:20:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Not unlike Y2K insurance.


18 posted on 04/25/2007 8:24:22 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Shermy

I haven’t researched this but I heard Newt Gingrich one night on TV say that Kyoto was written to exclude the “green” benefits of the large percentage of U.S. land that is forested.


19 posted on 04/25/2007 8:31:38 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Just like Rush said, its a get rich scheme for Algore and his buddies....

And the kiddies are crying cause the polar bears are dieing....what a bunch of crap!!!

Where are the investigations in Washington D.C. for fraud, where are the invesigations in Washington D.C. for misleading the public on this fraud????

They are after the current Administration....come on Republicans in Washington D.C. grow some and get to work, thats why we put you there!!!


20 posted on 04/25/2007 8:42:07 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ("Grow your own DOPE, plant a LIB""Fred Thompson/Duncan Hunter 08")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

I’m investing in toilet paper offsets. Sheryl Crow has a great idea. One sheet, or dig deep. It’s for the children.


21 posted on 04/25/2007 8:43:39 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
There is no possible way to plant enough trees to compensate for a couple of jetliners criscrossing the Atlantic. Give it up.

Mother Earth can take care of itself. Look, it just regurgitated Rosie O'Donnell.

22 posted on 04/25/2007 8:45:35 PM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Like an Algore 3 Card Monte scam on 42nd Street.


23 posted on 04/25/2007 8:47:36 PM PDT by nctexan
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Maybe some of these folks should investigate how those who are selling carbon credits are the same ones screaming catastrophe about global warming and pressuring governments to DO something about human activity. They are creating a crisis, then profiting from the ‘solutions’ to the ‘problem’. And these are the same people who, when any scientist expresses opposition to their idea of human caused global warming, will smear the scientist as being in the pay of the oil companies. Well, just who are the people funding the global warming fanatics?


24 posted on 04/25/2007 8:54:29 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
This Carbon offsets trading stuff sounds like some of same kind of crap that got ENRON in trouble. Recall they tried trading excess broadband and hedges against or for weather events.

But it will never be compared to some of Enron’s trading stunts. It’s a favorite of the Liberals so it will get a pass which is to be expected.

25 posted on 04/25/2007 9:00:22 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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But it will never be compared to some of Enron’s trading stunts.

Enron was one of the biggest supporters of Kyoto and Cap and Trade carbon offset schemes.

26 posted on 04/25/2007 9:29:18 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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Crap.. just when I was going to start my own Carbon Offset company... Man shush!! We let the libs think it works and take their money!
27 posted on 04/25/2007 9:48:33 PM PDT by cdnerds (cdnerds.com)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

What’s the big surprise...a fake solution for a fake crisis. What else could be expected?


28 posted on 04/25/2007 10:05:35 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Too damn funny.

Guess they will actually have to reduce their own emissions now.

Yeah right, like that would happen.


29 posted on 04/25/2007 10:54:17 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Gore’s “offset” company:

First time I heard about Gore’s offset company I thought What a racket, What a FRAUD!”

But Gore is too well protected he will never be brought to justice.

He will simply say that he did not know and apologize and then it will be move on he has made his act of contrition.

30 posted on 04/26/2007 2:11:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: Pontiac
He will simply say that he did not know and apologize and then it will be move on he has made his act of contrition.

For Al Gore right now there is 'no controlling legal authority'.

Wonder how many pensions are going to go bust on carbon credits ?

FYI - New prediction for next solar cycle is that it will be delayed. NASA has backed off the stronger cycle 24 prediction. Now predictions are split between weaker and stronger.

NEXT SOLAR STORM CYCLE WILL START LATE - Experts Split Over Intensity

31 posted on 04/26/2007 2:43:28 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

An indulgence granted by authority of the Pope by Johann Tetzel in 1517. The text reads: "By the authority of all the saints, and in mercy towards you, I absolve you from all sins and misdeeds and remit all punishments for ten days."

32 posted on 04/26/2007 3:23:18 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Unto poores friars for to given
Is a sign a man is well yshriven.


33 posted on 04/26/2007 3:30:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Lindzen, the GW skeptic climatologist at MIT, said he’s convinced that Al Gore has decided to become a billionaire (the only way he knows how.)

Lindzen is also convinced that GW has become popular in the academy because that’s where the money is. Things that make headlines and raise alarms get grants and funding, boring stuff, more basic and important stuff is ignored.

34 posted on 04/26/2007 3:35:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Attention Al Gore: this is a shot across the bow - or a message from the Clinton’s...


35 posted on 04/26/2007 3:36:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (The only people liberals refuse to apply zero tolerance to are actual felons -- freeper goldstategop)
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To: cdnerds
Crap.. just when I was going to start my own Carbon Offset company... Man shush!! We let the libs think it works and take their money!

Dang! You stole my idea!!!

36 posted on 04/26/2007 3:41:20 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Clock King
It's more like the Internet Bubble.

Good comparison!

37 posted on 04/26/2007 4:13:52 AM PDT by syriacus (Princeton's Peter Singer-"It's OK to kill flawed infants." Cho-"It's OK to kill flawed students.")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Always like Democrats/liberals, it doesn’t matter if it’s effective, it’s about how it looks/feels.


38 posted on 04/26/2007 5:52:09 AM PDT by blam
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“Always like Democrats/liberals, it doesn’t matter if it’s effective, it’s about how it looks/feels.”

Exactly. As long as it is “well intended”, it’s credible.

39 posted on 04/26/2007 6:52:57 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
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40 posted on 04/26/2007 7:03:53 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
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CAN YOU SAY POLITICAL EXTORTION...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No different than the old Mob Bosses who used to run things, only exception is at least you got something for your money when one “worked” with the Mob.........With this type of “Leadership” /s/ we as a country have no business running the free world. This is sick. America is traveling down a dark path, & doesn’t look good for our future...........scary
41 posted on 04/26/2007 7:28:15 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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Wonder how many pensions are going to go bust on carbon credits ?

You know, that raises a good point. We should all start demanding that investment managers divulge how much of this crap they're buying with our money.

42 posted on 04/26/2007 8:07:24 AM PDT by carolinablonde (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)
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I went to a business conference last month where a ditsy lady in a green hat was collecting money from attendees to feed one of these “carbon offset” companies. She’d been given the assignment by one of the organizers in the belief that they could collect enough to offset the emissions used to get people to the conference. I was glad to see that almost all the attendees thought it was the dumbest idea they’d ever heard of.
43 posted on 04/26/2007 8:16:12 AM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
All of this carbon offset crap is such an elitist racket. Rich and/or famous persons, ala Al Gore and John Edwards, can have as large a “carbon footprint” as they want. While the everyday Joe out there has to ride a friggin bus or bicycle and use one square of toilet paper.

I am surprised at the silence of the commie libtards over that aspect of it. Maybe they really are retarded.

BTW, I was glancing over Yahoo news last night and Sheryl Crow has now announced that she is “designing” a line of clothing with removable “wiping sleeves” so people can wipe their mouth at meals (or blow their nose) on them and then remove and attach another one.

44 posted on 04/26/2007 9:10:04 AM PDT by silver charm (Duncan Hunter '08)
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“Blue Source, a US offsetting company, invites consumers to offset carbon emissions by investing in enhanced oil recovery, which pumps carbon dioxide into depleted oil wells to bring up the remaining oil. However, Blue Source said that because of the high price of oil, this process was often profitable in itself, meaning operators were making extra revenues from selling “carbon credits” for burying the carbon.”

Isn’t that a pretty standard way of getting oil out of the ground anyway?


45 posted on 04/26/2007 10:02:07 AM PDT by Albert Barr (Ut Prosim)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

These carbon “credits” are ridiculous to begin with,

BUT

Why are these sanctimonious windbags ONLY CARBON NEUTRAL??????

Shouldn’t the lecturers, the scolders, etc. be like 100 million carbon negative or whatever they want to call it???

The best they can do is NEUTRAL???????????


46 posted on 04/26/2007 4:22:21 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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This can be the new Hollywood Status Symbol:

“Tim Robbins claims to be 10 million in the carbon negative, negating carbon emissions the equivalent of 2 city blocks” etc., etc.


47 posted on 04/26/2007 4:27:01 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
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48 posted on 04/26/2007 4:37:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; cogitator

My idea of a carbon offset is making all carbon-based fuels (including biofuels) investible global commodities. Speculation- and scarcity-fueled price increases will encourage some people to conserve.


49 posted on 04/26/2007 4:40:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; cogitator

...and, unlike carbon taxes, the high prices will go down from time to time, providing relief to the poor.


50 posted on 04/26/2007 4:41:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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