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Schwarzenegger's foreign policy
LA Times ^ | 4/25/07 | Robert Salladay

Posted on 04/25/2007 8:50:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is continuing his foreign policy campaign, bypassing the federal government to help set international agreements on global warming, while a longtime friend and environmental advisor, Terry Tamminen, is consulting with the Canadian government about their carbon dioxide regulations.

In anticipation of Schwarzenegger's trip to Canada next month, British Columbia announced yesterday it would participate a five-state Western carbon market where polluters can trade credits with greener companies. The idea is to have four or five Canadian provinces, and perhaps Mexico as well, joining the pact with California, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington and Arizona.

Schwarzenegger also has signed a nonbinding agreement with Manitoba Premier Gary Doer to coordinate greenhouse gas efforts. The memorandum of understanding - signed like a peace treaty in Schwarzenegger's Santa Monica office - also expresses Manitoba's interest in joining the carbon market. To bolster his case, Schwarzenegger recently wrote Doer reminding him that the National Commission on Energy Policy in Canada has recommend that the U.S. government adopt a "California-like" low-carbon fuel standard.

In addition, Tamminen told a Canadian newspaper, several Australian states are expected to join the carbon-trading arena and that Schwarzenegger is hoping Mexico will enter as well. Tamminen, who left the administration last year to promote his new book on oil consumption, has advised B.C. Premier Gordon Campbell on setting up a climate change action team there.

"By the time the next U.S. president is in power, an international global trading market in carbon credits will be a reality," Tamminen told the Vancouver Sun. "This is essentially a progressive state and province doing something about climate change despite having somewhat recalcitrant federal governments."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; canada; carboncredits; carbontrading; constitution; foreignpolicy; globalwarming; gorebalism; megalomaniac; schwarzenegger; tamminen

1 posted on 04/25/2007 8:50:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Leftist stupidity is global.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 04/25/2007 8:53:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge; marron

“By the time the next U.S. president is in power, an international global trading market in carbon credits will be a reality,”


3 posted on 04/25/2007 8:56:35 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: xcamel; calcowgirl; MadIvan

“When he visits the U.K. in September, expect Schwarzenegger to highlight his agreement with Prime Minister Tony Blair allowing California and the British government to share technology, research and “best practices” on curbing global warming.”

Blair dreams of his new stand alone London based carbon exchange isn’t going to get California as a captured market?

Canadians must have promised Scharz. more.

4 posted on 04/25/2007 9:00:02 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: NormsRevenge

follow the $ trail.

billionaires like soros, slim, will profit.

and millionaires like gore will too.

5 posted on 04/25/2007 9:02:33 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Shermy; NormsRevenge
Its a shame to see Schwarzenegger and Gingrich jumping on to this bandwagon.

But I don’t want to be left behind either. Maybe I can figure out an angle of my own. If they are going to tax the mentally deficient, I don’t know why I shouldn’t get my piece of the action. Maybe I could sell a guide to carbon credit trading on late night TV. By two guides and get this free spatula, batteries not included. I always wanted to star in my own infomercial.

6 posted on 04/25/2007 9:09:58 PM PDT by marron
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To: NormsRevenge

The Constitution strictly forbids states from entering into any foreign agreements or treaties.

But then what does our foreign governor care about the US Constitution.

7 posted on 04/25/2007 9:10:18 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge
This just in on drudge....Carbon Credit Fraud

I am amazed at the total insanity of all this Global Hyping, hard to believe this is even happening , and our children are being force fed this fairy tale in schools worldwide

8 posted on 04/25/2007 9:15:16 PM PDT by KTM rider ( " US politics is like a stand up comedy show, the tragedy is,'s real ")
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To: Shermy
One Nation, Under Terry

"Terry Tamminen is a compact, affable man. With his bluntness and lack of pretense, it's easy to see why Arnold Schwarzenegger trusted him. The California governor brought Tamminen on as his environmental adviser in 2003, elevated him to secretary of the state EPA, and then appointed him a senior cabinet adviser in 2004. In part due to Tamminen's behind-the-scenes influence and tireless work, Schwarzenegger's first term saw the state pass numerous groundbreaking environmental laws.

Now, with Schwarzenegger's blessing, Tamminen has left the administration to "Johnny Appleseed" California's climate plan. He wants to help other states experiment and share best practices, with the ultimate goal of creating a de facto national greenhouse-gas policy, forcing the feds' hand on the issue.

.....Why couldn't we take a fraction of those resources and go to [developing] countries and say, "We'll help you. We'll build a trading system where companies can buy carbon credits by shutting down a coal-fired plant in China and replacing it with something that's more energy-efficient and sustainable. We'll figure out market-based incentives and direct gifts to help you help yourselves." [note - I like his ideas about hydrogen...why is he involved in the carbon scam?]

Tamminen calls for carbon trading market

States Crack Down on CO2

Terry Tamminen, US Energy and Environmental Strategist Joins The Climate Group

About Climate Group

"The Climate Group is an independent, nonprofit organization dedicated to advancing business and government leadership on climate change. We are based in the UK, the USA and Australia and we operate internationally.

The organization was founded in 2004 by a diverse group of companies, governments and supporters who saw the opportunity to create new momentum in the international effort to stop global warming. ...

9 posted on 04/25/2007 9:22:01 PM PDT by Shermy (Tamminen Carbon Trading Kyoto Enron Al Gore)
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To: KTM rider

someone posted a thread as well

Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’ (Carbon Offset fraud)

10 posted on 04/25/2007 9:27:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Good grief. By the time the next president takes office there will be dozens of two-bit politicians setting their own foreign policies and negotiating their own treaties.

I guess if the Constitution doesn’t matter in some realms it is a short leap to states (and, heck, individuals too) usurping those powers ceded to the federal government.

11 posted on 04/25/2007 10:05:38 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: NormsRevenge

Schwartzenegger sucks canal water!!!

12 posted on 04/25/2007 10:45:23 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA is plagued with a GANG-GREENOUS REPELLICAN GOVERNOR!!! He's worsened the Gray Davis' MESS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually, he sucks peripheral canal water, to be more precise!!!

13 posted on 04/25/2007 10:46:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA is plagued with a GANG-GREENOUS REPELLICAN GOVERNOR!!! He's worsened the Gray Davis' MESS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; xcamel; calcowgirl; Allan

I want to float some ideas, please comment if you can.

1. Posters at FR have said that a state cannot make a treaty with a foreign nation per the Constitution.

2. I’ve noticed a few things lately in the media. You can see my comment above expressing surprise Arnold didn’t mention engaging the California carbon trading market with the new one the UK is setting up...though he has said the opposite before. Also despite the word “Canada” above, every specific story I’ve seen says California is not joining with “Canada” but specific provinces like Brit. Colum. and Manitoba.

3. As for Mexico, I don’t Know what Arnold is getting at, but it is a federal state too.

4. And so is Australia. All the stories I’ve seen show that Arnold is negotiating with Australian states, not its Federal government. Usually mentioned are Western Australia and Queensland. And I read recently (can’t find it now) Australians saying they “don’t need” Howard’s federal plan. Why not?

5. Sooo, is Arnold’s scheme a way to circumvent our Constitution? Is the agenda to avoid agreements with national governments, make them with the equivalent of our state governments, and thereby this international scheme is Constitutional? Thoughts?

14 posted on 04/26/2007 5:45:23 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy; Carry_Okie; forester; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; SierraWasp; editor-surveyor; AuntB

Boy, oh boy—you are so very far ahead of anything I’ve read. I can’t offer a single addition, other than I have no doubt that Arnold would not hesitate to subvert the constitution.

I noticed your other posts about Tamminen. Some of us have looked into him quite a bit, from his job as a pool cleaner in the not-too-distant-past, to his close association with RFK,jr., to his appointments by Arnie. There is a pretty good library here at FR if you click the keyword “Tamminen” above.

If I have some time, I’ll see if I can catch up a bit on your specific subject. In the meantime, I’ll ping a couple others—maybe they can offer something.

15 posted on 04/27/2007 1:20:27 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

He should be recalled, because state governors are not supposed to negotiate directly with foreign governments, under the little rulebook we call the US Constitution.

Actually we need to start putting corrupt politicians in jail....

16 posted on 04/27/2007 6:27:57 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Shermy; calcowgirl
Did Arnold bloviating about CA being a "nation-state" give you this idea of his networking past national governments, directly with provincial/regional/sub-state governments to pre-empt phlegmatic natioal governments?

Gives a whole new meaning to "states rights!" Arnold thinks CA is now a "Principality," and that he is it's Prince!!! Swooning over this celebrity has created a MONSTER!!! We haven't seen ANYTHING, yet!!!

17 posted on 04/27/2007 7:41:38 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Hey Surrendercrats!!! Listen up and listen tight!!! Harry Reid sure ain't no Harry Truman!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; sauropod; kristinn
Check out Shermy's Post 14.

The RINOcrats may have figured out their "get-around" when it comes to implementing Kyoto to fund their gobble grub-a-mint. Frankly, I'm surprised it took them so long.

18 posted on 04/28/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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