Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

4 myths of gun control shredded
The Cincinnati Post ^ | April 25, 2007 | Jay Ambrose

Posted on 04/26/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by neverdem

If Seung-Hui Cho hadn't gotten his hands on two semiautomatic pistols, he wouldn't have been able to slay 32 students and others, say some gun-control advocates who really ought to learn about Andrew Kehoe, who didn't stop at 32.

In the deadliest violence inside a school ever in America, Kehoe killed 45 people, mostly children, and guns had nothing to do with it. It was 1927 in the village of Bath, Mich.; Kehoe was a farmer whose mind apparently snapped because of financial ruin, and his weapons of choice were dynamite and an explosive called pyrotol.

The idea that guns are the only likely means of mass murder - one of four major misconceptions being trotted out in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech tragedy - is proven wrong daily by the suicide bombers in Iraq. It was proven wrong when Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with an explosive mixture of fertilizer and racing fuel in Oklahoma City 12 years ago, and it was even proven wrong by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who murdered 12 fellow students and a teacher in 1999.

It's true that these two did use firearms in their rampage at Columbine High School in Colorado, but they had assembled 99 bombs they might have employed if they hadn't been able to obtain guns. They in fact collected an array of firearms with apparent ease despite a long list of state and federal laws that supposedly stood in their way, which brings us to Misconception No. 2 - that still more laws on top of the hundreds of existing gun-control laws will usher gun violence off the American stage.

Laws don't prevent much of anything without means of effective enforcement, least of all redundant gun statutes in a nation that has 230 million firearms of every possible description. Given Cho's history of scary mental instability, you would think he would have encountered laws meant to keep the guns out of his hands. From what has been reported, he didn't, but even if he had, it is highly unlikely he could not have found a means of acquiring just about any kind of firearm he wished. The university's rule that the campus was a gun-free zone certainly did not give him pause.

Even if you had a successful confiscation campaign - a major infringement of the Constitution and an impossibility, politically and otherwise - you would not suddenly make America a land where violence shrinks to virtual meaninglessness. Misconception No. 3 is that the degree to which a population is armed determines the extent of killing, even though it's hardly a secret that Switzerland and Israel have very high gun-ownership rates and very low homicide rates.

Statistics provided on a pro-gun Web site back up a claim that America's rate of murdering people by means other than firearms is higher than the total rate in a number of European countries. Clearly, something is at work besides guns in determining these rates, such as relative homogeneity and all kinds of cultural and historical influences.

Misconception No. 4 is that guns do the work only of the devil, never of the good guys, never or seldom coming to the rescue of people simply trying to safeguard their own lives and property. The Internet site again provides all kinds of counter-evidence, including a report on a study in which two professors questioned 2,000 convicted felons and found that more than a third had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim." Just as guns can be the enemy, they can be a friend, and the idea that laws permitting concealed weapons will give us a Wild West show is a consequence of wild imaginings, not sound research.

Gun-control advocates snicker at what gun libertarians say - that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, and that it's not guns that kill people, but people who kill people. But these slogans - while obvious simplifications, as all such slogans are - have a huge advantage over the largely uninformed, morally superior rantings of many of the loudest, most-in-your-face gun-control advocates. Though leaving out some nuances and qualifications, they are fundamentally true.

Jay Ambrose, formerly Washington director of editorial policy for Scripps Howard newspapers, is a columnist living in Colorado. He can be reached at SpeaktoJay@aol.com.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 04/26/2007 7:40:23 AM PDT by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Thanks for the post!

Nice to read some common sense for a change...


2 posted on 04/26/2007 7:49:04 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

“Gun-control”—like “undocumented workers”—is a misnomer or euphemism used by liberals to disguise their goal.
Let’s start calling it what it is: gun prohibition.
Simply put, they don’t want to `control’ anything; the Rodents want the 2nd Amendment repealed, but they won’t come right and say it.


3 posted on 04/26/2007 7:49:57 AM PDT by tumblindice ("`Freedom' is the freedom to say: `2+2=4'." Eric Blair)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tumblindice

Their type really want the Constitution repealed!


4 posted on 04/26/2007 7:53:23 AM PDT by Edgerunner (keep your powder dry...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

How did “Cho Seung-Hui” now become “Seung-Hui Cho”? Always thought it correct for the family name to be first in Asians.


5 posted on 04/26/2007 7:53:38 AM PDT by meandog (Protect your 2nd Amendment Rights...Join the NRA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
I thought gun control meant hitting your target.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

6 posted on 04/26/2007 7:53:38 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tumblindice

“come right”=come right out (or, be honest)


7 posted on 04/26/2007 7:55:57 AM PDT by tumblindice ("`Freedom' is the freedom to say: `2+2=4'." Eric Blair)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

In a perfect world, we wouldn’t need to arm everyone. But unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world.


8 posted on 04/26/2007 8:02:51 AM PDT by Overneath42
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: meandog
How did “Cho Seung-Hui” now become “Seung-Hui Cho”? Always thought it correct for the family name to be first in Asians.

With East Asians, that's my impression too. Who know's what the DBM with graduates from journalism schools will do?

9 posted on 04/26/2007 8:12:17 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

The bomb was the weapon of choice for the IRA when guns were under control in England.


10 posted on 04/26/2007 8:12:35 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tumblindice
the Rodents want the 2nd Amendment repealed, but they won’t come right and say it.

Actually, quite a few are now saying it. Which is refreshing. Every American has the right to push for changes in the Constitution via the amendment process. As do other Americans to oppose those changes.

It's only when judges ignore the Constitution and write their own policy preferences into it that we get into trouble.

11 posted on 04/26/2007 8:13:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Overneath42

I was recently discussing this case with a fellow worker.

He not only was opposed to having others being armed, he was opposed to anybody even attempting to fight back in any other way.

His reason?

Doing so might “make the situation worse.”

I spent some time thereafter trying to imagine how it would even be possible to make the situation worse.


12 posted on 04/26/2007 8:15:42 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
What part of “Shall not infringe” don’t they understand.
13 posted on 04/26/2007 8:18:30 AM PDT by bmwcyle ( Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeffrey_D.
Since January 1, 2003 until this moment, Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:19:39 AM GUNS have already been used in SELF DEFENSE 10476921 times.

Think about it...


14 posted on 04/26/2007 8:20:37 AM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
The idea that guns are the only likely means of mass murder - one of four major misconceptions being trotted out in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech tragedy - is proven wrong daily by the suicide bombers in Iraq. It was proven wrong when Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with an explosive mixture of fertilizer and racing fuel in Oklahoma City 12 years ago..

And don't forget that the worst attack on U.S. soil (9/11/2001) involved no firearms whatsoever.

15 posted on 04/26/2007 8:24:22 AM PDT by wai-ming
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

I’m curious as to which `rats are actually proposing repeal of the 2nd, in that that position has proved to be a “third rail” for politicians, like Social Security reform.
They try to nibble away at it through “gun control”, certainly, but even if they would like to see it repealed, I doubt that anyone would be able to supply any cites of politicians, even `rats, saying, “The 2nd Amendment should be repealed,” just as they never say they favor abortion: it’s always they support “a woman’s right to choose”.
Semantics is a weapon or tool, and we shouldn’t cede it to them.


16 posted on 04/26/2007 8:39:11 AM PDT by tumblindice ("`Freedom' is the freedom to say: `2+2=4'." Eric Blair)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Eaker

Nothing to think about. I’m in total support of the 2nd. Amendment and have guns and ammo at the ready always.
I live in the country and unless a Sheriff just happens to be in the area (not likely) response time is 20-30 minutes.

Lock and Load!!!


17 posted on 04/26/2007 8:48:51 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan
The misconception that you can "only make the situation worse" might apply if you're dealing with a rational assailant whose primary purpose is not killing you.

18 posted on 04/26/2007 8:58:00 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Jeffrey_D.

Not aimed at you, just something that I have had on my website for years.


19 posted on 04/26/2007 9:24:10 AM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Eaker

“Not aimed at you” Now that’s a good one :-)))


20 posted on 04/26/2007 9:48:10 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: sauropod

review


21 posted on 04/26/2007 9:48:57 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

I am still waiting to hear from a genuine criminal whose plans were stopped because he could not get a gun.

“I’d really, really, really like to rob that bank but I can’t get a gun. Gosh darn.”


22 posted on 04/26/2007 9:50:27 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tumblindice

I’ve seen a number of columns since VT saying that we need to repeal the 2nd.

I don’t remember this after previous such tragedies, as it was assumed that laws could handle any controls desired.

It appears that a consensus is gradually building that the 2nd does indeed protect individual right to own weapons. This is a huge and positive change from previous decades, when it was assumed that it could just be ignored.


23 posted on 04/26/2007 9:58:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Malone LaVeigh

Yup. But not in this case.


24 posted on 04/26/2007 9:59:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: LonePalm

no ... that’s “Trigger control”, and is much more important.


25 posted on 04/26/2007 10:00:23 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Wow! Logical.


26 posted on 04/26/2007 11:58:31 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Malone LaVeigh

Reversed photo negative.


27 posted on 04/26/2007 4:07:03 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; meandog

The change in name order is based on his parent’s request. When they came over here they wanted to be more American so they put their surname at the end like Americans. (Good for them.)

However, when I first heard this news I thought it was really odd. I can just hear them complaining to some news interviewer saying “I wish you guys would get the name of our murdering son right”.


28 posted on 04/26/2007 4:13:31 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson