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Rudy Giuliani: I Can Support Both Abortion and Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
LifeNews ^ | 04/26/2007 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/26/2007 10:06:32 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Concord, NH (LifeNews.com) -- Rudy Giuliani defended his position on abortion and partial-birth abortion during a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Tuesday. The former New York City mayor told voters that he's not being inconsistent when he says he supports abortion but also backs the Supreme Court ruling on the partial-birth abortion ban. Giuliani insisted that his recent support for the partial-birth abortion ban and the high court's ruling upholding it was consistent with his past opposition to the ban.

"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of abortion is wrong," he said.

He said he shifted his position on the ban when lawmakers adopted "more scientific language" in the life of the mother provision in the bill in 2003.

Giuliani explained that he opposed the partial-birth abortion ban in the 1990s and supported President Clinton's two vetoes of it because he didn't think the life of the mother exception was strong enough.

However, the premise behind Clinton's vetoes was his contention that the ban needed a health exception despite medical groups saying that the three-day-long abortion procedure is never medically necessary.

Giuliani previously told CNN's Inside Politics in a 1999 interview, that he does not support even a modest ban on the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure saying, "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Yet, in a Fox News interview in February, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.

"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.

But his pro-abortion views overall are turning him off with GOP voters and the more the abortion issue comes up the more his poll numbers are beginning to fall.

Republican voters have previously turned away pro-abortion candidates from capturing the primary nod, including former California Gov. Pete Wilson and Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter. Republicans haven't had a pro-abortion nominee since Gerald Ford in 1976.

Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are the top two candidates in the polls apart from Giuliani.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee are also running and drawing significant support from the pro-life community.

Other potential Republican candidates include pro-life former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, pro-life Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, and former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson. Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson are also in the mix.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismurder; giuliani; infanticide; prodeath; rudy; stoprudy2008
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"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of abortion is wrong."

Just gotta love how consistent he is. *rolls eyes*

1 posted on 04/26/2007 10:06:36 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: cgk; wagglebee; Coleus; narses; cpforlife.org; Spiff; Liz; pissant; indylindy; TitansAFC; ...

Pro-Life/Stop Rudy ping.


2 posted on 04/26/2007 10:08:00 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Rudy Giuliani: I Can Support Both Abortion and Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
***

I agree with Rudy.


3 posted on 04/26/2007 10:11:06 AM PDT by Southerngl (TEAM DANNIELYNN Longstanding member of the FIRM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate grade school aged child pedophilia, respect somebody else’s conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of sex is wrong.”


4 posted on 04/26/2007 10:13:52 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
(In my best Cary Grant voice...)

Oh, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...

5 posted on 04/26/2007 10:15:33 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision"

OK then, under those guidelines why can't I kill anyone then? You may be personally against murder but is it not really a matter of the conscience? If I can get an o.k. from the SCOTUS on this, watch out Olberman!
6 posted on 04/26/2007 10:17:34 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
He said he shifted his position on the ban when lawmakers adopted "more scientific language" in the life of the mother provision in the bill in 2003.

He was opposed to a PBA ban before he was in favor of it.

7 posted on 04/26/2007 10:19:29 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

forked tongue ping? He is slipping in the polls. That’s why he feels the need to run his mouth. If he felt secure in his lead, he’d be quiet.


8 posted on 04/26/2007 10:22:39 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhymes, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: spikeytx86
If I can get an o.k. from the SCOTUS on this, watch out Olberman!

I'm hate murder. I don't believe in murder, but if the Supreme Court will let you kill Keith Olberman then I support your right to chose to do so.

9 posted on 04/26/2007 10:23:14 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (A proud member of the Frederalist society.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Flip, flop and fly,
I dont care if I die.
I said flip, flop and fly,
I dont care if I die.
Big Joe Turner

10 posted on 04/26/2007 10:26:46 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Flip, flop and fly,
I dont care if I die.
I said flip, flop and fly,
I dont care if I die.
Big Joe Turner

11 posted on 04/26/2007 10:27:01 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
He said he shifted his position on the ban when lawmakers adopted "more scientific language" in the life of the mother provision in the bill in 2003.

Giuliani explained that he opposed the partial-birth abortion ban in the 1990s and supported President Clinton's two vetoes of it because he didn't think the life of the mother exception was strong enough.

Giuliani has opposed all bans on Partial Birth Abortion. The Republican ban that he opposed and Clinton vetoed DID contain nearly identical language making a completely unneccesary exception for the life of the mother. Giuliani is a liar.

1995 Language: "This paragraph shall not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury..."

2003 Language: "This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. "

(Note: The additional language in the 2003 ban is redundant to the language that precedes it. It is utterly superfluous. It does not change the meaning of the section in any way.)

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion
Republicans Do Not!!!

Click HERE for Video of Giuliani in his own words.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000


TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999


BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000


***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

12 posted on 04/26/2007 10:28:47 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

20% are for genetic reasons, and the other 80% are purely elective! Stop flip floppin’ and just admit that you support murder!


13 posted on 04/26/2007 10:30:29 AM PDT by 007girl
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Look how the man refuses to back away from his overall support of abortion demand. I can support a ban on abortion, pba, and Rudy being the nominee of the GOP.


14 posted on 04/26/2007 10:30:57 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

LOL. He really does think we’re stupid.


15 posted on 04/26/2007 10:32:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (I won't vote for a liberal, regardless of party....)
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To: Spiff

“I would vote to preserve the option for women” - he should have said for abortionists such as Tiller the Killer and Haskell. They could not care a rat’s tush about babies or their mothers - and neither does Rudy, for that matter. Does he actually know what happens during a partial birth abortion? That the baby is delivered to be killed?


16 posted on 04/26/2007 10:34:28 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Man, this guy’s got more stories than Mrs. O’Shaughnessy in the Maltese Falcon.
17 posted on 04/26/2007 10:37:22 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I was very interested in Giuliani’s candidacy during the early stages. He was a highly effective Mayor of New York, he turned the city around after decades of decay, he is a strong leader, he would be very good in the GWOT.

BUT.

He had a little problem with his past record on abortion. He needed to change his position if he wanted to run for the presidency. He has now made it clear that he refuses to change his position on this fundamental issue, which also throws into doubt his willingness to change on other issues such as gun control.

“I think you can be personally opposed to it. . . .”

This guy is again and again revealing himself to be a POLITICAL MORON on this issue. Good grief. Mario Cuomo may have gotten away with that line twenty or thirty years ago, but it sure as hell won’t fly now. It’s the oldest lie in the book.

Doesn’t he know that his poll numbers dropped when he started coming out with this cr*p. He’s killing himself, and he seems to be absolutely determined to commit political suicide. What a jackass.


18 posted on 04/26/2007 10:39:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NeoCaveman
I appreciate you supporting my right to choose. It is a very intimate decision that no man should make for me. I just wish the government would keep it’s laws off of my itchy trigger finger.

(As a note to Keith Olberman and his attorneys, this is satire and not a threat. Though I find you to be a loathsome smarmy creature, If I was going to kill anyone it would be a 7 foot tall gangly Arab fellow in southwest Asia).

19 posted on 04/26/2007 10:40:24 AM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
That’s funny. He only recently started opposing partial-birth infanticide. In fact he only changed his mind about the time he started running for President.

My problems with Guiliani are his liberalism and his lies about his Liberalism. I can actually forgive some of the liberalism - I’m not going to forgive his (and his supporters) blatant lies about it.

20 posted on 04/26/2007 10:46:50 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Reminds me of a line in a country and western song:

“Say the words I want to hear.”


21 posted on 04/26/2007 10:48:34 AM PDT by Mickeys Big Hand
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“And then pay for the murder of your grandchild with your American Express.”


22 posted on 04/26/2007 10:49:49 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

"I can, but I don't!"


23 posted on 04/26/2007 10:50:48 AM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion homicide, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that a particular form of abortion homicide is wrong."

"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion terrorism, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that a particular form of abortion terrorism is wrong."

"I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion child abuse, respect somebody else's conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that a particular form of abortion child abuse is wrong."

Dang. No matter how I tweak it, the structure of the argument always produces a moral ZERO.

24 posted on 04/26/2007 10:57:25 AM PDT by HKMk23 (We are good, not because we are not tempted, but because we are tempted yet choose to be good.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Congratulations, Rudy!

You’ve won the “Most Duplicitous Scumbag of the Week” award.

Be proud!


25 posted on 04/26/2007 11:00:04 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback
Oh-lord-here-he-goes-again PING.
26 posted on 04/26/2007 11:09:41 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

27 posted on 04/26/2007 11:17:32 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Not only does Giuliani enjoy wearing high heels, but he also has a flip-flop fetish.


28 posted on 04/26/2007 11:33:21 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: HKMk23
“...the structure of the argument always produces a moral ZERO.”

For Giuliani, it is perfectly acceptable for a doctor to insert a surgical device into the mothers body, grab hold of an infants feet, pull the baby out of the canal(except for the head), thrust a blunt rod into the base of his skull, and extract the baby's brain, although he can be personally opposed to this procedure.

Moral ZERO is right, my friend.

29 posted on 04/26/2007 11:43:11 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

What a drag ----queen!

30 posted on 04/26/2007 11:54:07 AM PDT by heywaitadarnminute (This post happens between 12 AM and 12 PM)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

>> Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are the top two candidates in the polls apart from Giuliani. <<

When I read that, I said to myself, “OK, they mustn’t be counting Fred Thompson,” but then they list him at the end. Fred has beaten Romney in every poll I’ve ever seen him listed in. MY guess is LifeSite isn’t buying that Thompson is pro-life, in spite of his perfect pro-life voting record. It’s funny, then, that they accept Romney’s claims.


31 posted on 04/26/2007 12:06:26 PM PDT by dangus
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To: spikeytx86

You KNOW where Osama is????

(What, you work for CNN?)


32 posted on 04/26/2007 12:07:47 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

They said “top two CANDIDATES.”

Fred hasn’t announced yet.


33 posted on 04/26/2007 12:16:17 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I guess Giuliani couldn’t stand the prosperity of making a good speech and actually being praised by conservatives so he decided to stick his head up his butt again.


34 posted on 04/26/2007 12:22:23 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: dangus
LOL, If I knew where osama was, his head would be mounted on my wall by now.
35 posted on 04/26/2007 12:27:47 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Then he isn't personally against abortion.

He's politically positioning himself.

36 posted on 04/26/2007 12:30:28 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

37 posted on 04/26/2007 12:30:45 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: NeoCaveman; spikeytx86
if the Supreme Court will let you kill Keith Olberman then I support your right to chose to do so.

Yes, but do you support the use of taxpayer funding for Olberman-slaying?

38 posted on 04/26/2007 12:34:55 PM PDT by kevkrom
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To: cpforlife.org

39 posted on 04/26/2007 12:36:33 PM PDT by cgk
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To: cpforlife.org

Giuliani was for it before he was against it, before he was against it, he was for it. Got it?

Giuliani’s claim to fame is he made a speech after the collapse of the WTC. Whoooooopee.

There is no worse candidate for America.


40 posted on 04/26/2007 12:42:08 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Murdering an infant in the birth canal will most likely lead to severe mental distress and disorder when the mother *realizes* the gruesome act she has participated in. What a farce: “health of the woman”!!!!

The people who continue to protect this procedure are in no way concerned with the “health” of the mother. This debate shines the spotlight on the dark souls of the most DEMENTED among us.


41 posted on 04/26/2007 12:47:20 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: cgk

he sure is a “heretik”!


42 posted on 04/26/2007 12:50:09 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Spiff

That is damning stuff!


43 posted on 04/26/2007 12:55:27 PM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: kevkrom

Plane tickets, Ammo, A Weapon, that’s all very expensive stuff. I would not want to deny a poor persons right to olberman-slaying so yes I would. /s


44 posted on 04/26/2007 1:16:39 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I can support Rudy and oppose his candidacy as well.

So there!


45 posted on 04/26/2007 1:21:00 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Fiji Hill
well, if you are going to quote Big Joe Turner:

I'm like the one-eyed snake, peekin' at a seafood store
I'm like the one-eyed snake, peekin' at a seafood store
I been lookin' at you, tell you ain't a child no more
yea

I said shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
Shake, rattle and roll
You can't do nothin'
To save your dog-gone soul

Well over the hill, way down on her knees
Over the hill, way down on on her knees
You make me roll my eyes
baby make me grit my teeth

That's they way Big Joe sang it, but other versions may vary.

46 posted on 04/26/2007 1:46:28 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I voted against the ban on partial birth abortion before I voted for it. -RG

*roll eyes*

Rudy is no conservative. Liberal republicans are trying to hoodwink him into office, and force conservatives to vote for him or else the democrat wins.

*roll eyes*

I’m not a wimpy conservative are you?


47 posted on 04/26/2007 2:33:46 PM PDT by Raquel (Rudy Is Really a Liberal)
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To: All

“”I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else’s conscience who might make a different decision, and also believe that particular form of abortion is wrong,” he said.”

Can you respect somebody else’s conscience when it comes to the born, too, Rudy?


48 posted on 04/26/2007 2:35:08 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I have several versions of Shake, Rattle & Roll, including one by Gayle Larson & the Toppers on a 78 rpm EP issued by Tops, a budget label that provided "cover" versions of popular songs, but Big Joe's version is still my favorite.
49 posted on 04/26/2007 3:15:10 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: spikeytx86

“I think you can be personally opposed to it, hate abortion, respect somebody else’s conscience who might make a different decision”

Spoken like a true democrat!

Conveniently, they all have multiple personality disorder. Sooooo, just cuz they said it doesn’t mean they said it when they said it. Agreed?


50 posted on 04/26/2007 4:11:47 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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