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9 U.S. troops killed in Iraq violence [also Karbala bombing]
Associated Press - via Yahoo News ^ | 29 April 2007 | By KIM GAMEL

Posted on 04/28/2007 5:17:39 PM PDT by BlackVeil

BAGHDAD - A car bomb exploded Saturday in the Shiite holy city of Karbala as the streets were packed with people heading for evening prayers, killing at least 58 and wounding scores near some of the country's most sacred shrines. Separately, the U.S. military announced the deaths of nine American troops, including three killed Saturday in a single roadside bombing outside Baghdad.

With black smoke clogging the skies above Karbala, angry crowds hurled stones at police and later stormed the provincial governor's house, accusing authorities of failing to protect them from the unrelenting bombings usually blamed on Sunni insurgents. It was the second car bomb to strike the city's central area in two weeks.

Near the blast site, survivors frantically searched for missing relatives. Iraqi television showed one man carrying the charred body of a small girl above his head as he ran down the street while ambulances rushed to retrieve the wounded and firefighters sprayed water at fires in the wreckage, leaving pools of bloody water.

The Americans killed in Iraq included five who died in fighting Friday in Anbar province, three killed when a roadside bomb struck their patrol southeast of Baghdad and one killed in a separate roadside bombing south of the capital.

The deaths raised to 99 the number of members of the U.S. military who have died this month and at least 3,346 who have died since the Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The blast took place about 7 p.m. in a crowded commercial area near the shrines of Imam Abbas and Imam Hussein, major Shiite saints.

Security officials said the car packed with explosives was parked near a cement barrier intended to keep traffic away from the shrines, which draw thousands of Shiite pilgrims from Iran and other countries.

That suggested the attack, which occurred two weeks after 47 people were killed and 224 were wounded in a car bombing in the same area on April 14, was aimed at killing as many Shiite worshippers as possible.

Salim Kazim, the head of the health department in Karbala, 50 miles south of Baghdad, said 58 people were killed and 168 wounded. The figures were confirmed by Abdul-Al al-Yassiri, the head of Karbala's provincial council.

"I did not expect this explosion because I thought the place was well protected by the police," said Qassim Hassan, a clothing merchant who was injured by the blast. "I demand a trial for the people in charge of the security in Karbala."

Hassan, who spoke to a reporter from his hospital bed, said his brother and a cousin were still missing.

"I regret that I voted for those traitors who only care about their posts, not the people who voted for them," he said.

The U.S. military has warned that such bombings were intended to provoke retaliatory violence by Shiite militias, whose members have largely complied with political pressure to avoid confrontations with Americans during the U.S. troop buildup.

The radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr launched a strong attack earlier Saturday on President Bush, calling him the "greatest evil" for refusing to withdraw American troops from Iraq.

Al-Sadr's statement was read during a parliament session by his cousin, Liqaa al-Yassin, after Congress ordered U.S. troops to begin leaving Iraq by Oct. 1. Bush pledged to veto the measure and neither the House nor the Senate had enough votes to override him.

"Here are the Democrats calling you to withdraw or even set a timetable and you are not responding," al-Sadr's statement said. "It is not only them who are calling for this but also Republicans, to whom you belong."

"If you are ignoring your friends and partners, then it is no wonder that you ignore the international and Iraqi points of view," he added.

Al-Sadr led two armed uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004, and his Mahdi militia is believed responsible for much of Iraq's sectarian killing. The U.S. military says he has fled to Iran, although his followers insist he is hiding in Iraq. Abdul-Al al-Yassiri, the head of the Karbala provincial council, said local authorities had raised fears that militants fleeing the Baghdad security crackdown were infiltrating their area.

"We have contacted the interior minister and asked them to supply us with equipment that can detect explosives," he said.

Ali Mohammed, 31, who sells prayer beads in the area, said he heard the blast and felt himself hurled into the air.

"The next thing I knew I opened my eyes in the hospital with my legs and chest burned," he said. "This is a disaster. What is the guilt of the children and women killed today by this terrorist attack?"

Crowds stormed the provincial government offices and the governor's house, burning part of it along with three cars and scuffling with guards. Security forces detained several armed protesters, said Ghalib al-Daami, a provincial council member.

Saturday's bombing was the deadliest attack in Iraq since April 18, when 127 people were killed in a car bombing near the Sadriyah market in Baghdad — one of four bombings that killed a total of 183 people in the bloodiest day since a U.S.-Iraq security operation began in the capital more than 10 weeks ago.

In all, at least 119 people were killed or found dead, including the bodies of 38 people killed execution-style — apparent victims of the so-called sectarian death squads mostly run by Shiite militias.

In Baghdad, a mortar attack killed two people and wounded seven in the Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah, where the U.S. military recently announced it was building a three-mile long, 12-foot high concrete wall despite protests from residents and Sunni politicians that they were being isolated.

The U.S. military also said Saturday that a suicide truck bomber attacked the home of a city police chief the day before in the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Anbar province, killing nine Iraqi security forces and six civilians. Police chief Hamid Ibrahim al-Numrawi and his family escaped injury after Iraqi forces opened fire on the truck before it reached the concrete barrier outside the home in Hit, 85 miles west of Baghdad.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqsecurity; karbala; securityplan; surge

1 posted on 04/28/2007 5:17:41 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

I cant help but wonder how many of these people who throw rocks at police because they got bombed have turned in any suspected terrorists. How many have called in when they see IED’s being planted. How many have taken steps thgemselves to prevent bombings. Steps such as neighborhood watches to watch for suspected bombers, or how many have run off strangers who didnt belong in the community.,

Police and American soldiers cannot be all places at one time. Communities have to be progressive and start looking out for themselves.


2 posted on 04/28/2007 5:23:10 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: BlackVeil

Thank you Harry Reid!


3 posted on 04/28/2007 5:26:00 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: sgtbono2002

Ditto, on your point Sarge.

Did you notice this?

Snip:

“I did not expect this explosion because I thought the place was well protected by the police,” said Qassim Hassan, a clothing merchant who was injured by the blast. “I demand a trial for the people in charge of the security in Karbala.”

“I regret that I voted for those traitors who only care about their posts, not the people who voted for them,” he said.

==Yep, sounds familiar... freedom is still on the march.


4 posted on 04/28/2007 5:27:43 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray for Tony Snow, Liz Edwards, cancer patients, their families and support.)
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To: AliVeritas

I have no idea what the gun laws over there are,but it seems everyone has an AK-47. maybe they should start using hem on the insurgents.


5 posted on 04/28/2007 5:35:42 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: BlackVeil
The Harry Reid/Nanny Pelousi/al Murthawi death squad:

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6 posted on 04/28/2007 5:40:44 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: sgtbono2002

The matter is a bit more complicated. Neighbourhood vigilantes do exist in Iraq, and some of them are quite successful... but exactly this often leads to “sectarian clashes/killings” we often hear about. Also such neighbourhood vigilant groups often get “sucked up” by the organized militias.

Nontheless if you take the “Anbar Salvation Council” a rather newly formed, Sunni Arab tribal alliance, which cooperates with us against Al-Qaeda, you will see an highly successful popular resistance against the terrorists.

Also note that Karbala is almost totally Shia turf. They won’t find any Sunni insurgent cell there. The killers of today’s bombing almost certainly was a Al-Qaeda bomber from the outside who posed as a Shia pilgrim.


7 posted on 04/28/2007 5:45:37 PM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: BlackVeil

I support the surge, but I still feel bitter about our soldiers having such big targets painted on their backs. I think we should move them into the desert with a perimeter. The only time an Iraqi would see an American soldier is when that Iraqi is about to die. To hell with “fear of collateral damage”. There are no innocents over there. also to hell with “winning the minds and hearts”. they all hate us. the problem is that they do not hate nor fear us enough to put aside their stupid rivalries so that we would be able to leave.


8 posted on 04/28/2007 5:51:56 PM PDT by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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To: AntiGuv; TexKat

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9 posted on 04/28/2007 5:52:24 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: sgtbono2002
I cant help but wonder how many of these people who throw rocks at police because they got bombed have turned in any suspected terrorists. How many have called in when they see IED’s being planted.

C'mon, you know that ain't ever going to happen. Even here in the States, snitches in the "hood" getted wacked and in some communities no one talks to the police. You can only imagine what would happen to a snitch and his/her family in Iraq. And the cops you call are probably members of a Shiite death squad.
BTW, "neighbourhood watches" are called militias.

10 posted on 04/28/2007 5:53:46 PM PDT by Riodacat (Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge, truth and reality sucks....)
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To: BlackVeil
they need to stop bunching up!

Gathering in crowds in Iraq is like putting cupcakes next to ant nests.

There should be a law to keep at least 10 yards apart.

11 posted on 04/28/2007 5:55:03 PM PDT by Griddlee
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To: HChampagne
they all hate us

Nonsense.

12 posted on 04/28/2007 5:59:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The Drive-By Media is attempting to Cronkite the Iraq war.)
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To: HChampagne
To hell with “fear of collateral damage”. There are no innocents over there. also to hell with “winning the minds and hearts”. they all hate us.

I feel your anger and frustration. But your talk makes me think the lefist media succeeded in selling their lies. There are innocents there. They don't hate us all. We have a lot of allies among the Iraqis... and your theory of sitting in the desert isn't going to work.

13 posted on 04/28/2007 6:00:21 PM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: SolidWood

Why would Al-Qaeda attack the shiites? I thought that I heard the attack was sunni militias retaliating for attacks elsewhere.


14 posted on 04/28/2007 6:02:01 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: HChampagne

I am losing patience with this war also. However, there are many innocent Iraqis that are supportive of the US, and want us there. Don’t buy into the idea that they are all bad. Our soldiers are dying to protect us and to give the innocent Iraqis a safe and democratic place to live. Don’t dishonor their sacrifice by saying they aren’t worth it.


15 posted on 04/28/2007 6:05:02 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic
Why would Al-Qaeda attack the shiites?

Because Al-Q is radical Sunni and therefore consider Shias to be heretics and apostates. Furthermore they want to inflame the Shias to retaliate agianst Iraqi Sunnis, and thereby destabilize Iraq. Most Suicide Bombings and attacks agaisnt Shias are done by Al-Qaeda.

I guess you confused Shia militias with Sunni Al-Qaeda.

16 posted on 04/28/2007 6:05:27 PM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: SolidWood

Al-Qaeda is Shia. That is why Al-Qaeda and Hussein didn’t work together. Hussein was a Sunni.


17 posted on 04/28/2007 6:06:34 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic

Thanks.


18 posted on 04/28/2007 6:12:42 PM PDT by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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To: ga medic

> Al-Qaeda is Shia

I believe you are mistaken. Bin Laden is Saudi, and a Wahabbist. That would be Sunni.


19 posted on 04/28/2007 6:13:10 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: ga medic
Al-Qaeda is Shia. That is why Al-Qaeda and Hussein didn’t work together. Hussein was a Sunni.

Totally wrong. Sorry you got it all wrong here. Al-Qaeda is Sunni extremist. Saddam Hussein was also Sunni, although not as religious as Al-Qaeda.

They both hated and kill Shias. Saddam and Al-Qaeda did cooperate... although it is disputed how intensive.

The Shias live largely in Iran and to a slight majority in Iraq.

The radical Shias in Iran and Iraq are our enemies. Saddams loyalists and the Al-Qaeda are also our enemies, although they are also enemies of the Shias.

Many good Shia Iraqis and also good Sunni Iraqis cooperate with us against all those terrorists, which include Sunni Al-Qaeda and Shia radical militias.

20 posted on 04/28/2007 6:14:57 PM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: SolidWood

My bad. I realized that I was thinking about Iran and typing Al-Qaeda. Forgive my mistake.


21 posted on 04/28/2007 6:17:13 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic

No problem, my friend. Mistyping and confusing all the bad guys can happen.


22 posted on 04/28/2007 6:19:27 PM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: BlackVeil

An Old Soldier's Prayer
06/20/2005



I have fought when others feared to serve.
I have gone where others failed to go.
I've lost friends in war and strife,
Who valued Duty more than love of life.

I have shared the comradeship of pain.
I have searched the lands for men that we have lost.
I have sons who served this land of liberty,
Who would fight to see that other stricken lands are free.

I have seen the weak forsake humanity.
I have heard the traitors praise our enemy.
I've seen challenged men become even bolder,
I've seen the Duty, Honor, Sacrifice of the Soldier.

Now I understand the meaning of our lives,
The loss of comrades not so very long ago.
So to you who have answered duties siren call,
May God bless you my son, may God bless you all.

Lewis Millett

May all Rest in Peace!

While we are grateful for your sacrifice, we offer condolensces to the family, friends and love ones left behind.

23 posted on 04/28/2007 6:30:11 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: BlackVeil

Thank you BlackVeil for the ping!


24 posted on 04/28/2007 6:30:41 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: HChampagne
There are no innocents over there. also to hell with “winning the minds and hearts”. they all hate us.

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25 posted on 04/28/2007 6:34:40 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

BRILLIANT!


26 posted on 04/28/2007 6:36:14 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: ga medic
Why would Al-Qaeda attack the shiites? I thought that I heard the attack was sunni militias retaliating for attacks elsewhere.

al-Qaeda (a.k.a. al-Qaida, al-Qa'ida)

al-Qa'ida (The Base)

27 posted on 04/28/2007 6:47:24 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Exactly! Every time a pointless act of violence is carried out and Reid / the democrats make another “the war is lost” statement, the terrorists and insurgents are further emboldened to kick the senseless violence up a noche. I am not saying we can solve the problems there by ourselves, but the treasonous acts of the rats are clearly resulting in more deaths - theirs an ours.


28 posted on 04/28/2007 8:00:39 PM PDT by wingsof liberty
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To: sgtbono2002
I cant help but wonder how many of these people who throw rocks at police because they got bombed have turned in any suspected terrorists



Word to yo mullah.
29 posted on 04/28/2007 8:21:13 PM PDT by milemark
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To: HChampagne

Some guys park a car loaded with explosives. It goes off and kills a lot of people—no U.S. military An AP stronger puts a mike in front of people who are enraged by the bombing. He passes on those comments that denigate the government, because that is what his editor wants to hear. This could happen in Seattle.


30 posted on 04/28/2007 8:28:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SolidWood

Don’t confuse them with the facts. As Petraeus pointed out, all they is about is bomb blasts. Bomb blasts make the news. No bomb blasts do not make the news. Imagine that all you knew about LA was what you heard on the 10 o’clock news.


31 posted on 04/28/2007 8:31:22 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: HChampagne
I support the surge, but I still feel bitter about our soldiers having such big targets painted on their backs. ...To hell with “fear of collateral damage”. There are no innocents over there.

Then why do you support the surge. In your vision, what are out soldiers fighting for?

32 posted on 04/29/2007 4:35:28 AM PDT by CJ-50
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To: Riodacat

In the better neighborhoods of America ,people call the police. They have neighborhood watches and are concerned when criminal elements move in.

You are right about “the hood” Snitches are looked down on and threatened,but the reason is that most people living in the hood are criminals themselves or gain benefits from criminals,such as Grandma receiving funds from her drug selling offspring. “The Hood” wont be cleaned up until the people there want it cleaned up and are wiling to see it cleaned up, neither will Iraq.


33 posted on 04/29/2007 4:38:17 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: SolidWood

Certainly it is complicated,but the fact remains that we need the cooperation of the people,we need informants, we need people who want peace more that they want payback on their neighbors.


34 posted on 04/29/2007 4:41:09 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: TexKat
The deaths raised to 99 the number of members of the U.S. military who have died this month

Our military are in outposts around Baghdad, so that's what the insurgents are attacking. The checkpoint that was manned by the 82nd was approached by two large trucks packed with explosives. The insurgents knew they could probably ram one of them into the checkpoint/outposts by sacrificing one.

35 posted on 04/29/2007 5:58:38 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: sgtbono2002
the reason is that most people living in the hood are criminals themselves or gain benefits from criminals,

Respectfully and strongly disagree. Most people in the "hood" are good/poor folk who have few options but to stay in the "hood". They are victims of crime and not beneficiaries of it. Although they far outnumber the criminals & gangstas, they know that if they call the police to complain or inform, they will likely pay with their lifes.
In Iraq, it's even worse. informants are tortured with drills before being decapitated. And it's not like informants identities are kept confidential in Iraq. Would you have the guts to stand up to these guys if you lived there?

36 posted on 04/29/2007 7:07:06 AM PDT by Riodacat (Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge, truth and reality sucks....)
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To: corlorde
Bump and salute to you sir! Thank you for your service to this country and to others.

Love your little ones as if there is no tomorrow!

37 posted on 04/29/2007 9:42:40 AM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: sgtbono2002

I saw car on the 110 freeway in Los Angeles a while back, driven by a woman, with a bumper sticker that read “Stop snitching”. I couldn’t believe my eyes.


38 posted on 04/29/2007 9:49:10 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: corlorde; BlackVeil

DoD Identifies Army Casualties

The Department of Defense announced today the death of nine soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died Apr. 23 in As Sadah, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near their location.

Killed were:

1st Lt. Kevin J. Gaspers, 26, of Hastings, Neb.

Staff Sgt. Kenneth E. Locker Jr., 28, of Wakefield, Neb.

Staff Sgt. William C. Moore, 27, of Benson, N.C.

Sgt. Randell T. Marshall, 22, of Fitzgerald, Ga.

Sgt. Brice A. Pearson, 32, of Phoenix, Az.

Sgt. Michael L. Vaughan, 20, of Otis, Ore.

Spc. Jerry R. King, 19, of Browersville, Ga.

Spc. Michael J. Rodriguez, 20, of Sanford, N.C.

Pfc. Garrett C. Knoll, 23, of Bad Axe, Mich.

All were assigned to the 5th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C. For more information in regard to this release the media can contact the 82nd Airborne Division public affairs office at (910) 432-0661.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=10789


39 posted on 04/29/2007 9:51:29 AM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Thank you Harry Reid!"

No, blame the folks who got us into this nation building/Wilsonian quagmire in the first place. They have been blaming others for each and every failure for four years. Enough excuses.

40 posted on 04/29/2007 10:23:13 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

We got Saddam and now he’s dead.

Enough of this nation building crap, at this point we are just getting caught in the crossfire of someone elses civil war.

We got what we came for.


41 posted on 04/29/2007 3:42:59 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Riodacat

Its hard to say what one would do,if facing a situation that is unfamiliar to them. I have to say if I were armed,I believe I would use those arms to stop people from blowing up my family, and to make an effort to stop the killing in my neighborhood.


42 posted on 04/29/2007 4:19:48 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: ga medic

“Al-Qaeda is Shia. That is why Al-Qaeda and Hussein didn’t work together. Hussein was a Sunni.”

Al-Queda are radical Sunni group. True Hussein was nominally a Sunni muslim, but in reality he was more of a gangster than a religious extremist.


43 posted on 04/29/2007 11:53:50 PM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: TexKat

U.S. April Death Toll in Iraq Passes 100

BAGHDAD (AP) - Five U.S. troops were killed in separate attacks in the capital this weekend, including three in a single roadside bombing, the military said Monday, pushing the death toll past 100 in the deadliest month so far this year.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2007-04-30_D8OQSNQO0&show_article=1&cat=breaking


44 posted on 04/30/2007 4:06:01 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Axlrose
Enough of this nation building crap, at this point we are just getting caught in the crossfire of someone elses civil war.

We got what we came for.

Bingo.

45 posted on 04/30/2007 7:29:16 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: corlorde

I AM NOT THERE 
-------------- 

Do not stand at my grave and weep 
I am not there. I do not sleep. 
I am a thousand winds that blow 
I am the diamond glints on snow. 
I am the sunlight on ripened grain 
I am the gentle autumn rain. 

When you awaken in the morning's hush 
I am the swift uplifting rush 
of quiet birds in circled light 
I am the soft stars that shine at night. 

Do not stand at my grave and cry 
I am not there; I did not die. 

Rest in Peace Warriors. Thank you for your service to this country and to others. May God comfort your familes and love ones in the name of Jesus Christ we pray.

46 posted on 04/30/2007 3:11:12 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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