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Vigilantes impose peace in Rio slums
Associated Press ^ | April 27, 2007 | Peter Muello

Posted on 04/29/2007 11:27:53 AM PDT by Zakeet

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - For as long as anyone can remember, the cracked asphalt soccer field in the Roquete Pinto slum was off-limits to children — "reserved" by gangs selling marijuana and cocaine. Then, a few months ago, a mysterious squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling on foot, and the drug dealers disappeared.

A few days ago, while gunbattles were raging in two other Rio de Janeiro neighborhoods and bystanders were shielding their kids from the bullets, the barefoot teens of Roquete Pinto smiled and shouted as they kicked a ball around their freshly liberated field.

Startling transformations like Roquete Pinto's are increasingly visible across Rio, as for-profit "militias" made up of active and former police officers, private security guards, off-duty prison guards and firefighters evict drug gangs from slums where violence used to be out of control.

Although some worry about the implications of vigilante justice, the militias have powerful sympathizers, among them Mayor Cesar Maia, who calls them "self-defense groups" and says that compared with the drug gangs, the vigilantes are the lesser evil.

The surprise is that the gangs aren't fighting to hold their turf. In the few known cases where they did, militia gunfire turned them back.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; brazil; crime; vigilantes

According to my Rat sources, this will never work over the long term. According to them, we need to disarm the citizens and turn the job of protection back over to the government.

1 posted on 04/29/2007 11:27:55 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

That’s really interesting. If an area has become so violent that private militias are what’s needed to restore peace then I’m all for it so long as the militias don’t then go crazy with power and become the very thing they fought for. Ultimately the police do need to step back in and be the peacekeeping force, assuming they aren’t corrupt themselves.


2 posted on 04/29/2007 11:35:29 AM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Firefigher NC

Change “fought for” to “fought against”.


3 posted on 04/29/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: Zakeet

bump


4 posted on 04/29/2007 11:36:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Zakeet

These Brazilians are heroes imo, if anyone tried this here they would promptly be jailed.


5 posted on 04/29/2007 11:37:45 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("If a man obeys the gods, they are quick to hear his prayers." - Homer)
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To: Zakeet

...Coming soon to a city near you.

It’s the ONLY way our slums will be cleaned up!


6 posted on 04/29/2007 11:41:28 AM PDT by Humidston (THOMPSON/WATTS - 2008)
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To: Zakeet

Impossible! This goes against the orthodoxy! Private citizens defending themselves, their communities, and their property against criminals?? These lunatics need to be disarmed and put back in their place, cowering and out of harms way - under the boot.


7 posted on 04/29/2007 11:42:17 AM PDT by M203M4 (Constitutional Republic has a nice ring to it - alas, it's incompatible with the communist manifesto)
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To: Zakeet
I was reminded of this

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

8 posted on 04/29/2007 11:45:52 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("If a man obeys the gods, they are quick to hear his prayers." - Homer)
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To: Zakeet

The history of vigilante groups in the US is not encouraging.

They generally moved from fully justified measures against criminal gangs to repressing those who were not criminals but just disagreed with the vigilantes’ methods.

The only fully successful vigilante groups were those who implemented a predetermined program and then disbanded.


9 posted on 04/29/2007 11:47:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Zakeet
...a mysterious squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling on foot, and the drug dealers disappeared.

Imagine that!

10 posted on 04/29/2007 11:49:14 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Zakeet
"It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state. "We won't accept this under any conditions."

Then do your job.

In another favela, Rio das Pedras, a woman selling shampoo on the street had no doubts. "There are no muggers and no drug sellers," said Margarida Rodrigues dos Santos, 57. "The militia won't let them in."

At least one high-ranking police officer has endorsed their work while acknowledging that they are illegal.

"The communities are now free from the traffickers," Col. Mario Sergio de Brito Duarte, who heads a special favela operations unit, said in an e-mail. "Children and teenagers living in these neighborhoods are no longer exposed to drug wholesaling."

11 posted on 04/29/2007 11:50:58 AM PDT by M203M4 (Constitutional Republic has a nice ring to it - alas, it's incompatible with the communist manifesto)
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To: Zakeet

bump


12 posted on 04/29/2007 12:00:08 PM PDT by lowbridge ("the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible." -Rosie O'Donnell)
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To: M203M4

When did Charles Bronson move to Brazil? Didn’t he clean out the drug dealers and gangbangers in New York City in Death Wish 3? :)


13 posted on 04/29/2007 12:07:54 PM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Zakeet
Expect the "police" and military to take strong action -- against the mililtias and citizens. There is a reason they have not taken out the drug scum, and it has nothing to do with ability. It's called corruption. These militias are a direct threat to the "police" and the military, at least the corrupt parts: They are cutting into revenue (kickbacks from drug sales), they are supplanting power, and they are looking too good (which makes the "police" and military look bad by comparison).

Now, obviously not all police and military in Rio are corrupt. However, it's fairly well known that an awul lot are. BTW, this gives a good chance to see who is corrupt: Just look at those police, military, and politicians who bleat the loudest about the illegality of the militias.

14 posted on 04/29/2007 1:04:50 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Zakeet
"It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state.

Sorry, Senor, it's the people who establish the state, not vice versa. And when the state fails to do its job, as Abraham Lincoln observed, the people have the right to replace it.

15 posted on 04/29/2007 1:08:50 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: Zakeet

-—see post # 10—

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1825499/posts


16 posted on 04/29/2007 1:26:44 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Zakeet
They used to call them posse's in the Old West.
17 posted on 04/29/2007 1:28:06 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: Xenophon450
if anyone tried this here they would promptly be jailed.

It depends on the vigilantes complexion, facila features, and hair texture.

18 posted on 04/29/2007 2:07:14 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: Zakeet
According to my Rat sources, this will never work over the long term. According to them, we need to disarm the citizens and turn the job of protection back over to the government.

You mean the LEOs and the courts who keep reminding us that they can't protect us?

But the will prosecute anybody who protects himself!

19 posted on 04/29/2007 3:19:02 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Eaker; Czar; glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt; tubebender; James W. Fannin; kellynla; DaveLoneRanger

ping to neighborhood clean-up


20 posted on 04/29/2007 6:58:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: B4Ranch

Is anyone asking why Brazil can’t police its gangland crime wave? I blame the politicians, and I blame the people themselves, and their culture. Of course Los Angeles used to be a nice town, too. I remember when it was. These days, it looks a lot more like Rio, I’d say.


21 posted on 04/29/2007 7:09:03 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: James W. Fannin

What would happen if a squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling our slums and ghettos neighborhoods on foot instead of Taser armed men and women who must be concerned with criminal rights in a patrol car?


22 posted on 04/29/2007 7:23:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: B4Ranch

You and I both know the anser to that question. They’d be swept up into our criminal justice system pronto. Oprah and Ellen would croon about the operation, and David Letterman would tee off to a punchline that night. Al/Jesse would belly up to a couple of fundraisers dedicated to the event, and Saturday Night Live would do about 20 skits about it.


23 posted on 04/29/2007 7:32:54 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: B4Ranch
We had a no nonsense Police Chief and his successor who slowed the spread of gang warfare here in Eureka but it is a small city of about 30,000. The vagrants are a different matter as they are on the Fed ESA or something because we are told they are untouchable...
24 posted on 04/29/2007 8:31:28 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Sherman Logan
The only fully successful vigilante groups were those who implemented a predetermined program and then disbanded.

The advantage of an armed citizenry is that it is capable of assembling itself quickly into a group of whatever size is needed to deal with present circumstances, and then disbanding such group when it is no longer needed. Permanent police forces are at any given time almost always going to be either understaffed or overstaffed (since instantaneous demands on the police will vary far more quickly than staffing levels). I would guess long-term vigilante groups would probably have the same problem; if there isn't anything for them to do, they'll "find" something.

25 posted on 04/29/2007 9:14:39 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: tubebender

untouchable

Isn’t that nice!


26 posted on 04/29/2007 10:07:52 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: supercat

Pretty much what happened throughout American history.

Extended-service vigilantes tended to provoke the formation of counter-vigilante groups, often called “Regulators,” with the conflict between the two groups sometimes escalating to something close to civil war.

Still, it’s difficult to see any other solution where the collapse or absence of government makes conditions intolerable for the average person.


27 posted on 04/30/2007 5:11:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
"And when the state fails to do its job, as Abraham Lincoln observed, the people have the right to replace it."

Applies to our borders as well, IMO.

Carolyn

28 posted on 04/30/2007 5:17:59 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: B4Ranch

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)


29 posted on 04/30/2007 7:57:06 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: B4Ranch
"ping to neighborhood clean-up"

Seems pretty clear that's what we're coming to...

30 posted on 04/30/2007 10:37:11 AM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Zakeet

Successful self-defense efforts like this are probably one of the big reasons a nation-wide gun-control initiative was voted down in Brazil a couple of years ago.
American anti-gun groups pumped millions into the campaign on behalf of their Brazilian socialist counterparts and were astonished that the common folk of the country didn’t buy it.


31 posted on 05/01/2007 4:33:25 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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