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Captured Al Qaeda Document Shows Bin Laden Deputy Aymen Al Zawahiri Visited Iraq.
Combating Terrorism Center at West Point ^ | April 29 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/29/2007 1:24:13 PM PDT by jveritas

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To: Phsstpok
Thanks PH. Imagine before the war in Iraq started the President said this:

" We have irrefutable proof that Al Zawahiri visited Iraq in 1998 and that Saddam intelligence met with Bin Laden in Sudan in 1995 per the authority of Saddam". I think this would have gone a long way to prove that Saddam regime is a terrorist regime who had dealings with Al Qaeda and that after 9/11 such a terrorist regime must go.

51 posted on 04/29/2007 3:52:28 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Txsleuth

Just doing my little duty Tx. This particular document is extremely important.


52 posted on 04/29/2007 3:53:48 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

LOL..oh, yes, I do believe it is QUITE important.

However...at the same time you are doing this...the House and Senate are getting ready to hold hearing after hearing about how Bush and Cheney and Condi and Rummy and Rove LIED to get us into Iraq...pfffffffft


53 posted on 04/29/2007 3:56:14 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: jveritas

along with the terror bases in Iraq prior to the war...it’s obvious that Saddam was helping with the training of radical Islamists. Just the darkside trying to cast doubt on a war we have to fight...that’s much of the msm and the liberals; unwitting dupes. They don’t know how confused they really are. If it wasn’t for our military we and they could say goodbye to any kind of a decent life!


54 posted on 04/29/2007 4:01:43 PM PDT by fabian
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To: Txsleuth

Traitors and liars will do what they can do best, betray the nation and lie to the American people, that is the democrat party and their media.


55 posted on 04/29/2007 4:02:25 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Nice find!


56 posted on 04/29/2007 4:03:48 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jveritas

This is what Cheney said about the Iraq/al Queda Connection.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/


57 posted on 04/29/2007 4:07:39 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: jveritas; Diver Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Milligan
The document does not indicate which year he did the visit but it is for sure after the year 1995 based on the context of the document

Project for New American Century: Allawi on Iraq and al Qaeda

I would like to draw your attention to a May 23, 2005 Agence France-Presse (AFP) article, “Al-Qaeda Number Two Visited Saddam’s Iraq: Former PM.” AFP reported on a recent interview that former Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi gave to the Saudi newspaper Al-Hayat. According to Allawi, bin Ladin’s top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, visited Baghdad in September 1999, and al-Zarqawi entered Iraq “probably around the same time,” “began to set up cells,” and also “forged links with Ansar al-Islam.” AFP further reported:

Allawi, a former Baathist dissident who lived in exile at the time, said he had “confirmation” of Zawahiri's visit to Iraq and that the fugitive Egyptian Islamist had entered “under an assumed name” during the ninth Islamic popular congress held in Baghdad in September 1999. “Islamists who led terrorist networks in the world” met on the sidelines of the congress, he said. Allawi said Saddam's regime maintained contacts with militant groups via “one Faruk Hijazi, who was eventually named ambassador to Turkey and then to a (North African) country.” He said Hijazi was “arrested after the fall of Saddam's regime (in April 2003) while trying to infiltrate into Iraqi territory.”

Allawi’s comments, if accurate, build upon the work of the September 11 Commission Report, which stated:

In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis.

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban (p. 66).

While the report also stated that “to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship,” commission chairman Thomas Kean was quick to note that “there was no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.” Allawi’s remarks, should they hold up to scrutiny, would suggest a more substantial relationship between Iraq and terror groups than is usually portrayed in the major media.

(Additional information on Iraq’s ties to al Qaeda may be found in our report, “Iraq: Setting the Record Straight,” at www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-042005.pdf.)

58 posted on 04/29/2007 4:09:08 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: fabian
According to translations of Captured Iraqi documents that we posted here on FR, Saddam regime was training “Foreign Arab Terrorists”, called “Arab Feedayeen” since the year 2000.
59 posted on 04/29/2007 4:14:01 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: TexKat
Excellent info. Thanks TexKat. So Allwai was aware of Zawahiri visit to Iraq in 1999 and this document proves it.
60 posted on 04/29/2007 4:15:46 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

BTTT


61 posted on 04/29/2007 4:18:06 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fedora; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks E.


62 posted on 04/29/2007 4:20:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, April 28, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jveritas; fabian

Iraqi documents, dating from January to May 1993, suggest that Baghdad’s
training of terrorists goes back over a decade - at least to the period
following Iraq’s August 1990 invasion of Kuwait. That training was
interrupted by the 1991 war, but appears to have resumed not long
afterwards.

These documents, leaked by a Pentagon official to Scott Wheeler of Cybercast
News Service, are posted on its Web site. Bruce Tefft, a retired CIA
counter-terrorism official who worked on Iraq; MEMRI’s Nimrod Raphaeli;
Middle East scholar Walid Phares; and this author have all expressed their
confidence in the documents’ authenticity. They are on official Iraqi
letterhead and are essentially a 40-page correspondence between Iraqi
intelligence and Saddam’s office.

Responding to a request from Saddam, M-14, the division of Iraqi
intelligence responsible for training and conducting special operations,
produced a report dated April 1, 1993. The seven page document lists 100
“Arab fedayeen,” whom it had trained in Iraq during the fall of 1990.Their
nationalities include a wide swath of the Arab world: Palestinians, Syrians,
Lebanese, Egyptians, Moroccans, Tunisians, Sudanese, and Eritreans, who are
not usually considered Arab.

One important relationship discussed in the documents is Iraq’s support for
the militant domestic opponents of the Egyptian government, a key Arab
member of the 1990-91 coalition against Iraq. Three weeks prior to the
Persian Gulf War, on December 24, 1990, Iraqi intelligence concluded an
agreement on a plan of sabotage against Cairo with a representative of the
Egyptian Islamic Group, whose leader, Shaykh Omar Abdul Rahman, was
subsequently tried and convicted for terrorism in New York. Those operations
ended with the February 28, 1991, cease-fire, according to these papers.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:a7J768hEyAMJ:www.benadorassociates.com/pf.php%3Fid%3D8453+ARAB+Fedayeen+IRAQ&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us


63 posted on 04/29/2007 4:28:55 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: jveritas

Excellent work jveritas. You are invaluable.


64 posted on 04/29/2007 6:09:40 PM PDT by sgtyork (Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law.)
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To: jveritas

Dang. Bookmarking.


65 posted on 04/29/2007 6:12:07 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Admin Moderator

The importance of this smoking gun document should be known to as many people as possible. If at all possible, can you please place this thread in the breaking news section. It is up to you. Thank you very much.


66 posted on 04/29/2007 6:57:56 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: sono

bump to no. 6!


67 posted on 04/29/2007 7:01:38 PM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: TexKat; jveritas

Maybe the Weekly Standard will pick up on some of this....


68 posted on 04/29/2007 7:03:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I hope so.


69 posted on 04/29/2007 7:09:13 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

bump


70 posted on 04/29/2007 7:10:17 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: jveritas

Bookmarked.


71 posted on 04/29/2007 7:43:04 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I was just doing some research on this document and found out that Dan Darling pointed out back on February 16 2006 the significance of this document in an article in the Weekly Standard and he mentioned that Al Zawahiri visited Iraq and Iran according to the document. Although one thing is that Dan Darlign thought that the "doctor" referred to in the document was Al Zawahiri where indeed he is another person if you read the document carefully. Al Zawahiri was only called "Aymen" in the document. I am really surprised that the Intelligence Community did not include this very important document when they presented Al Qaeda-Saddam relation to the US Senate Intelligence Committee. They totally ignored it and the Senate report said that Zawahiri visit to Iraq was not proven. This document totally destroys this argumemt.

Here is the article of Dan Darling as published in the Weekly Standard on February 16 2006 : http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/761smqst.asp

72 posted on 04/29/2007 8:14:53 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas; Ernest_at_the_Beach
There is something fundelmentally wrong with the continued silence from the republican side on all these things that have been brought forth in the past year.
Are not key republicans on the hill and elsewhere getting all these glaring proofs that Saddam was a willing sponsor of all aspects of terrorism and in support of many radical groups.
They make a great mistake if they think early on statements saying Saddam supported terrorist such and openly promised 25K bucks to families with men or women who performed suicide missions etc., is enough.
Americans have an extremely short memory cycle at best. And the demorats and L/MSM take full advantage of it.
So much clearly de-classified stuff should be a regular part of the administrations press releases.
73 posted on 04/29/2007 8:41:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: jveritas

I’m sure the white house knows this info...I believe they should hold a press conference all about it to put to rest the Iraq war doubters.


74 posted on 04/29/2007 9:49:40 PM PDT by fabian
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To: TexKat

press conference with Condalesa and GW right away!


75 posted on 04/29/2007 9:52:09 PM PDT by fabian
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To: jveritas

Posted at Newsbusters

http://newsbusters.org/node/12407


76 posted on 04/29/2007 10:10:39 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: jveritas

Good work. Now if only the administration would say something. You can bet the LameStream Media won’t say a friggin’ word about it.


77 posted on 04/30/2007 12:45:53 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: jveritas

Zawahiri was in Baghdad on Feb 3, 1998. Is this possibly a reference to that trip?


78 posted on 04/30/2007 1:08:20 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: jveritas

Why do you think the Intelligence Community did not look into the details of this letter?

Sometimes I feel there are many in our government who are working directly to sabotage our nations’ security.

And that is why these things do not get singled out as urgent information!


79 posted on 04/30/2007 1:49:34 AM PDT by Anita1 ((In support of the troops, but opposed to the war means - you don't believe in what they are doing!))
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To: april15Bendovr

Excellent. Thank you Chris.


80 posted on 04/30/2007 5:03:55 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Anita1

Agree 100% with what you said.


81 posted on 04/30/2007 5:04:29 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: ArmstedFragg

it is very possible.


82 posted on 04/30/2007 5:04:59 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

No Iraq-AlQaeda terrorism link here, move on - nothing to see...


83 posted on 04/30/2007 5:07:40 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Marine_Uncle
The left wing traitors and their media will only accept the following to prove that Saddam had WMD and relation to terrorism: The Finds of tens of thousands of already made Chemical Weapons, few nuclear bombs stored somewhere in Iraq, and all type of already made Biological weapons. If we found all the Precursors required to make Chemical Weapons hidden somewhere in Iraq, for them that is not enough.

A video tape of Saddam sitting with Bin Laden planning 9/11 terrorist attacks. Short of that they will tell us that Saddam had no relation with terrorism.

So no matter what Republicans bring out as evidence of Saddam continuous work on WMD programs or Saddam strong relation to terrorism, all is not enough for the democrats and their media if it does not meet the above criteria.

84 posted on 04/30/2007 5:10:50 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: fabian

Please read my post 84 on why it will not matter to democrats and their media if the President brings this one to the public or many other proofs of Saddam strong relation to terrorism and proofs of Saddam WMD programs.


85 posted on 04/30/2007 5:12:36 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

save


86 posted on 04/30/2007 5:17:58 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; All
“I was just doing some research on this document and found out that Dan Darling pointed out back on February 16 2006 the significance of this document in an article in the Weekly Standard and he mentioned that Al Zawahiri visited Iraq and Iran according to the document. Although one thing is that Dan Darlign thought that the “doctor” referred to in the document was Al Zawahiri where indeed he is another person if you read the document carefully. Al Zawahiri was only called “Aymen” in the document. I am really surprised that the Intelligence Community did not include this very important document when they presented Al Qaeda-Saddam relation to the US Senate Intelligence Committee. They totally ignored it and the Senate report said that Zawahiri visit to Iraq was not proven. This document totally destroys this argumemt.”

I totally understand Jveritas frustration when he states the publics understanding of these translations are sloppy for two reasons. These documents are either translated wrong by inexperienced individuals that lack the ability to understand the full language or people are misinterpreting key words or key phrases. I like to sum it up metaphorically by using a humorous ad on YOUTUBE that kind of makes the point. As you watch the video imagine the German Coast Guard guy is translating these documents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsCR9Y4Ymvo

87 posted on 04/30/2007 6:04:14 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: jveritas

but the press conference wouldn’t be for the die hard liberals; it would be for the people who are constantly bombarded with lies and doubt. Much like what Reagan did by going directly to the people to support his tax cuts.


88 posted on 04/30/2007 8:40:56 AM PDT by fabian
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To: jveritas

Sadly your evaluation of the predictament are probably quite accurate. The demos know they have the backing of most of the world news services. Why would they want to cave in and change their agendas for the sake of giving the masses accurate news and editorials. It would go against their prime directive(s).


89 posted on 04/30/2007 9:21:43 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: jveritas

—They will say “How do you know that Bush and Cheney did not send someone to put this forged document in an Al Qaeda camp and claim it is an Al Qaeda document”...—

If Bush & Cheney were that devious, they would have “planted” vials of Anthrax in Baghdad 5 years ago...


90 posted on 04/30/2007 9:29:01 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: jveritas; All

No less than Former anti-terror chief Richard Clarke was convinced of a Saddam-AQ connection. Does “Boogie to Baghdad” ring a bell?


91 posted on 04/30/2007 9:33:22 AM PDT by sono (TITUS PVLLO in MMVIII - Paid for by the Aventine Collegium for Pullo)
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To: ArmstedFragg

What the DBM is not reporting ........

bump


92 posted on 04/30/2007 10:17:26 AM PDT by malia (hillarycare: Our choice in healthcare will be taken from us!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Can’t be true.

The Demodogs have assured me it ain’t so.


93 posted on 04/30/2007 10:44:44 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: jveritas

The Democratic Party abandoned these wars when Kerry became their deemed war hero. It is imperative therefore that the democrats maintain their position and force the President to withdraw the troops.

The WOT is a contradiction for which the democrats cannot win. As did Pharaoh removed Moses’ name from all Egypt – so have the democrats determined for George Bush! They will not allow the US to achieve or even consider the WOT a winnable objective until they have completely and deliberately denigrated everything Bush! Hence the WOT must be extinguished and a new WOT properly designed by the democrats set forth against these enemies.

What will come of this evidence when they fall upon the deaf ears of those presently sitting in Washington?

How will this nation survive with such blinding arrogance willingly exposing the security and future of our nation? The democrats have sacrificed the lives our soldiers, innocent Iraqis, and the future or the Iraqi Government. They have knowingly handed Iraq over to Ahmadinejad and Khomeini consequently leaving Israel destined for full scaled war.

Harry Reid has declared the WOT is Lost and Over. He has declared Gen Petraeus a liar and puppet of the White House. What can anyone do to force these documents and other evidences to be reckoned with?

American Drifter


94 posted on 04/30/2007 11:23:21 AM PDT by American Drifter
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To: American Drifter

The Nazis won the propaganda war from 1933-1943 inside Germany and in many other countries in Europe and around the world.


95 posted on 04/30/2007 11:53:40 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: American Drifter

The traitors and their media cannot be convinced about anything good regarding this war even if God himself told him so. Their hate for President Bush has blinded their hearts, minds, and souls. They simply cannot accept the truth because the truth will shine upon their very dark world and expose their lies and deceits.


96 posted on 04/30/2007 11:57:23 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: American Drifter

Sorry wrong post, to the wrong person, on the wrong thread :)


97 posted on 04/30/2007 11:58:39 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas; SunkenCiv

Thanks for the post & the ping


98 posted on 04/30/2007 7:58:15 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: jveritas

bookmarked


99 posted on 05/01/2007 10:46:39 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: jveritas

Good info, but it won’t matter.

The lies have stood too long without resistance.. this will cause nothing more than a yawn.

jw


100 posted on 05/01/2007 11:09:52 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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