Posted on 04/30/2007 8:19:44 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
It's not my decision, or yours. It's the choice of the people there.
Doesn't that apply to Punjab and Kashmir as well. Or in that case the people have no say whatsoever only the opinion of the Paki Army matters?
I have not really studied the situation there.
Oppression anywhere is wrong. If the people there are suffering under oppression, then of course they should try to do whatever they can about it. As a culturally distinct people they would be entitled to a national identity.
Do they speak a different language? Are they different religiously? Ethnically?
Nations should not be broken up over what Jefferson called “light and transient causes” but the right to your onw self-determination is the essence of democracy and freedom is the birthrigt of all peoples and nations.
Insindh, according to the Washington Times (January 2, 2002), India is sponsoring cross-border terrorism. Since you cite Pakistan’s position in regard to kashmir all the time, will you join me in condemning the cross-border terrorism in Sindh? If Sindh wants independence, tehy should receive moral support (as the Khalistanis ahve received from Islamabad), but they really should do it themselves (again, as with Khalistan.)
Yes, and there are ongoing freedom movements there. They have made the world aware of the oppression against them. I am familiar enough with their situation to ahve an opinion. I am not as familiar with the Balochis or Sindhis' situation. However, the same principles apply.
Why not? The nobody paid you to do that? Have you heard nothing about the genocide in Balochistan and Sindh? What world are you living in?
“Do they speak a different language? Are they different religiously? Ethnically?”
Yes they speak Balochi and Sindhi which are completely different from Urdu or Punjabi. Ethnically too they are different. They have a distinctly different culture. They also don't follow the Wahhibi brand of Islam that the Pakistani establishment follow.
“Nations should not be broken up over what Jefferson called “light and transient causes” but the right to your onw self-determination is the essence of democracy and freedom is the birthrigt of all peoples and nations.”
So doesn't that apply on the Sindhis, Balochis and Mohajirs? dont they have the right to self-determination? Dont they have a right to democracy and freedom?
Since you want me to condemn Indian excess in Kashmir and Punjab wont you join me in condemning Pakistani army genocide in Balochistan and Sindh?
“I am not as familiar with the Balochis or Sindhis’ situation.”
Why not? You have no concern for the Balochis and Sindhis? Dont they qualify as human beings or are they only there to be cannon fodder for the Pakistani Army?
I already hve condemned it. Ylou either weren’t paying attention or your narrow little Hindutva blinders didn’t allow you to catch that.
As I said, I’m not an expert on Balochistan and Sindh, but from what I can gather I’d certainly be for independence there. Ultimately, however, it’s their decision to make. Not yours, not mine, not India’s, not Pakistan’s. They have to want independence. Self-determination is making that choice.
The same principles apply there as apply to Khalistan, Kashmir, Nagaland, etc. What I would be for is self-determination. Why not just have a vote on the issue? Wouldn’t that be the most likely way to end the violence?
I most certainly agree. Why not write about it to your pay-masters? In India at least we get to vote every 5 years. Those poor schmucks under Pakistani occupation don't know anything about basic human right let alone voting, free-speech or democracy. I doubt they would ever be allowed to vote. Pakistani army would start crushing them altogether if at all the attempt any such thing like how they killed 3 million people in East Pakistan when they were asserting their right to self-determination. Why would Pakistan allow people to vote and be free? They would try to subvert any such attempt. The Balochis, Sindhis, Mohajirs and Pakhtuns need an a free and conducive environment where they can freely vote without any fear of the Pakistani army. Dont you agree? Dont you think Balochis, Sindhis, Mohajirs and Pakhtuns should be allowed to vote without fear and beyond the control of the Pakistani army? I would like to know your views.
Yes, and I also think that Khalistanis, Kashmiris, Nagas, etc., ought to be able to vote on independence. Without fear and without tampering. I think all these votes should be monitored for fairness, if only because the people voting don't trust the people conducting the vote.
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