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Was 'Srebrenica genocide' a hoax? (Muslim soldiers who died in earlier battles used to up count)
World Net Daily ^ | May 1, 2007

Posted on 05/01/2007 4:11:39 AM PDT by joan

Posted: May 1, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Aleksandar Pavic

For more than 10 years, the term "Srebrenica" has been used to denote the slaughter of "innocent Muslims" at the hands of Christians – more specifically, the Bosnian Serb army, alleged to have slaughtered, according to the version currently accepted by most major media, "between 7,000 and 8,000 Muslims" when it captured that small town in eastern Bosnia in mid-July 1995. As the story goes, the Bosnian Serbs captured this "U.N.-protected zone" and proceeded to take away and execute thousands of men, women and children in the space of several days, subsequently burying them in mass graves that are still being dug up almost 12 years later.

Belgrade-based historian and researcher, Milivoje Ivanisevic, who has been documenting Yugoslavian civil war casualties for more than a decade, has recently challenged the claims in a new booklet, "The Srebrenica Identity Card," which documents hundreds of bodies buried at the Srebrenica Memorial that were not killed in July 1995, when the alleged genocide took place, including cases of people who died natural deaths a full 13 years before the event took place.

The newest evidence offered by Ivanisevic indicates a number of those buried at the Srebrenica Memorial Complex not only were not killed in July 1995, but actually died much earlier, even in the early 1980s – more than 10 years before the civil war in Yugoslavia even started.

According to Ivanisevic, as of March 2007, more than 12 years after the event, a total of 2,442 bodies have been buried at the Memorial. Among those, a total of 914, or over 37 percent, were on the voting lists for the 1996 elections in Bosnia – over a year after the alleged "genocide." The voting lists themselves were approved and checked by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which supervised the elections.

A second even more significant find involves the fact that "at least 100 people" buried at the Memorial died of natural causes. Ivanisevic claims that the numbers would be even larger if he'd been allowed access to the death books in Srebrenica and the surrounding towns. Nevertheless, several names with dates of birth, death and place of demise are provided: Fetahija (Nazif) Hasanovic, b. 1955 – d. Dec.15, 1996, Srebrenica; Sukrija (Amil) Smajlovic, b.1946 – d. May 2,1996, Zaluzje; Maho (Suljo) Rizvanovic, b.1953 – d. Jan. 3,1993, Glogova; Mefail (meho) Demirovic, b.1970 – d. May 10, 1992, Krasanovici; Redzic (Ahmet) Asim, b.1949 – d. April 22, 1992, Bratunac.

Thirdly, Ivanisevic charges that several hundred soldiers as well as civilians were transferred to the Srebrenica Memorial from other cemeteries and reburied, with Muslim burial rituals. One of these is the body of Hamed (Hamid) Halilovic (1940-1982), transferred from the nearby cemetery in Kazani, who apparently died a full 13 years before the Srebrenica "genocide." Other bodies transferred from Kazani to the Srebrenica Memorial include those of Osman (Ibro) Halilovic (1912-1989), Nurija (Smajo) Memisevic (1966-1993), Salih (Saban) Alic (1969-1992), Mujo (Hasim) Hadzic (1954-1993), Ferid (Ramo) Mustafic (1975-1993) and Hajrudin (Ismet) Cvrk (1974-1992).

Fourth, using captured records of the Bosnian Muslim Army, Ivanisevic lists more than a dozen names of soldiers whose families were granted housing and social benefits due to families of soldiers killed in action before Nov. 11, 1993, when the documents were captured by Bosnian Serb army forces.

Fifth, on the basis of similarly captured documents, Ivanisevic provides several dozen names of Bosnian Muslim army fighters killed before March 7, 1994.

Ivanisevic goes on to provide names of Bosnian Muslim soldiers buried at the Srebrenica Memorial who were implicated in numerous massacres of Serbian civilians in the vicinity between 1992-1995, in which a total of over 3,000 Serbs were killed. Interestingly, the commander of the Srebrenica Bosnian army forces, Naser Oric, was given a two-year sentence by the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia, or ICTY, in June 2006 for his participation in these killings, some of which he captured on video and showed to Washington Post reporter John Pomfret, who visited him inside the "U.N. Safe Zone" in 1994.

During the 1990s, the Clinton administration used the "Srebrenica genocide" claim to enter the Bosnian civil war on the side of the Bosnian Muslims and enforce the subsequent Dayton Peace Agreement for Bosnia-Herzegovina in November 1995, with mutual recognition between Yugoslavia (now Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia). More generally, Clinton's State Department bureaucracy used the "Srebrenica genocide" – as it has since been referred to as a result of controversial verdicts pronounced by the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague – to justify its support for Muslim-dominated political movements not just in Bosnia but in Macedonia and Serbia's Kosovo region, which is currently seeking independence. And, since most of Clinton's State Department appointments, headed by Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, have continued running the U.S. Balkan strategy, the policy has remained intact to this day.

Thus, even as the current Kosovo Albanian independence drive is provided heavy U.S., British and German support, the Bosnian Serbs, unhappy at the prospect of being locked inside a Muslim-dominated Bosnia, are being denied independence, with the "Srebrenica genocide" being used as the chief argument – i.e., that wartime gains achieved through "genocide" cannot be sanctioned. Many observers, including a recent G2 Bulletin analysis, link Western support of Balkan Muslims at the expense of Christians as part of a broader policy of appeasing "moderate" Sunni-controlled regimes in the Middle East, as part of an anti-Iranian Shiite coalition.

Among radical Bosnian Muslim elements, the Srebrenica narrative has been used not only to rally support to the general cause of jihad, to arouse Muslim feelings of having been oppressed and persecuted by non-Muslims, but to build what some have called the "first Muslim shrine in Europe," a gathering place for Muslims from the world over with anti-Western, anti-European and anti-Christian grievances. The Memorial Complex in Srebrenica now serves as a place of pilgrimage, where Muslims can see firsthand the results of what they believe is an unprecedented atrocity against their fellow believers.

The entire Srebrenica narrative has been provided key support by Western mainstream media, headed by the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal and the mainstream British, German and French media, who have laced their Balkan reporting throughout the years with references to the "Srebrenica genocide," calling it, among other things, the "worst atrocity in Europe since World War II," a "stain on the conscience of the West," etc.

From the very beginning, numerous dissenting voices both in the West and in ex-Yugoslavia have contested both the Western mass media claims and the ICTY Srebrenica-connected verdicts, but have received almost no publicity whatsoever.

In the summer of 2005, on the 10-year anniversary of the event, the "Srebrenica Research Group," composed of mostly American and British media and academic figures, as well as former U.N. civil officials and military observers with ex-Yugoslavia experience, put up a website in which the entire "Srebrenica massacre" account was reconsidered and demystified. Instead of the 7-8,000 figure, U.N. officials and U.S. Congress experts were quoted giving figures of "700-800," "the low hundreds," "about 2,000 Muslims and Serbs total," etc. Henry Wieland, head of the U.N. Human Rights Commission, who spent days interviewing Srebrenica refugees in July 1995, is quoted as saying that he did not find "anyone who'd seen any atrocity committed with their own eyes."

The forensic findings were taken to task as well, with claims that the entire process of excavation and identification of bodies was controlled by an organization founded by the late Bosnian Islamist leader, Alija Izetbegovic. And, a Canadian international law professor deconstructed the Srebrenica-connected verdicts at the ICTY, showing, among other things, that Bosnian Serb Gen. Radoslav Krstic, sentenced by the court to a 46-year term, was, in the court's own verdict, absolved of participation in – or even knowledge of – the alleged massacre, instead being sentenced according to the ICTY's own construction of "command responsibility." The prosecution's star witness, Drazen Erdemovic, a Bosnian Croat who mysteriously appeared in the ranks of the Bosnian Serb army after previously fighting in the Bosnian Muslim army ranks, claimed participation in the execution of 1,200 Srebrenica Muslims, was exempted from cross-examination, deemed by the court itself as "mentally unstable" and, ultimately, given a five-year sentence for his "cooperation." Yet, the mass media, without exception, have ignored the group's findings, even those quoting the very same mass media's own reports from the ground at the time.

The Netherlands Institute for War Documentation issued an extensive report in 2002, "Srebrenica, a 'Safe' Area," detailing, among other things, that Srebrenica, although declared a "U.N. Safe Zone," was in fact never demilitarized, and that several thousand armed Bosnian Muslim troops were stationed in it between 1992-1995, organizing numerous lethal raids against Serbian villages in the vicinity. This claim was additionally corroborated by the U.N. secretary-general's report to the U.N. General Assembly of Nov. 15, 1999.

Ivanisevic's book will soon to be translated into English. It remains to be seen whether the Western corporate mass media will continue ignoring this and other evidence debunking the claim that an anti-Muslim "genocide" took place in Srebrenica in July 1995. Some public figures in the Balkans have called for an international commission on Srebrenica, which would re-examine the evidence and make a new, more balanced and independent assessment of what took place in eastern Bosnia during the last stages of its civil war, in the summer of 1995.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; bosnian; clinton; clintonlied; deceit; dhimmwit; ethniccleansing; genocide; hoax; islam; islamofascism; jihad; massgraves; monicaswar; muslims; serb; serbia; sorosfluffer; srebrenica; warcrimes
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Memorial include those of Osman (Ibro) Halilovic (1912-1989)

So even an elderly man who died 3 years before the war is posed as a victim of the alleged July 1995 massacre, and his body, like so many others, have been dug up from cemeteries but are staged as Muslim men id'd as victims of the Srebrenica massacre.

They are cheating to arrive at higher numbers yet still don't have 1/3 of the claimed bodies of the much propagandized alleged massacre.

1 posted on 05/01/2007 4:11:42 AM PDT by joan
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To: kronos77; Bokababe; DTA; tgambill

ping


2 posted on 05/01/2007 4:12:06 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan

Is this the Lie that Bubba used to get us into the war?


3 posted on 05/01/2007 4:29:53 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: joan

When you do not have an underlying faith foundation and it is perfectly OK to lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, and pillage for allah, this is the result. It is difficult for we of the Judeo-Christian ethos to understand these pagans, but we must. Their wish is for world domination. We should have had the common sense to realize that something was terribly wrong with attacking and killing the Serbs when they are mostly Orthodox Christians and were our allies in WW II. But our government under the boy Clinton decided to intervene on the side of the muslims. Furthermore, he brought thousands of these muslim pagans to our country to infest our cities.


4 posted on 05/01/2007 4:35:25 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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To: joan

Cheating or no, they were never going to get more than about 2/3 the alleged number: the ICRC reported *just before* the Serb seizure of Srebrenica that 2500 of the 7500 Muslim fighters holed up in the ‘safe haven’ had left marching north. Those, plus the 900 or so that Ivanisevic found memorialized, but on the voting roles a year later, about account for the 3600 of the supposed victims who showed up on the 1996 voting roles according to another study. Of course, there was a pitched battle fought for the city (odd notion of a ‘safe haven’—normally safe havens under international law are provided to civilians, not armed combattants—but I digress). Obviously the casualty rate among defenders in a fight-to-the-death last stand is going to be rather high, so I seriously doubt there were that many Muslims left to be summarily executed once the Serbs seized the city.

The fact that, even by cheating they haven’t been able to get up to, between
4000 and 5000 bodies only reinforces my assessment that the whole thing has been at minimum an outrageous exaggeration. I would be inclined to believe an estimate of 1200 summary executions, were there something besides the testimony of the Croat turncoat as a basis for that estimate, but not much more.

Of course, it *should* be a point of lively debate whether the summary execution of traitors in time of civil war—to which the Geneva Conventions do *not* apply—really is a human rights violation, much less the basis for a charge of ‘genocide’.


5 posted on 05/01/2007 5:49:40 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: sgtbono2002
"Is this the Lie that Bubba used to get us into the war?"

Yes it is. And I think Bubba told us 250,000 in mass graves.

6 posted on 05/01/2007 5:52:39 AM PDT by avacado
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You yewsed the word “is” too many times. Please rewrite accause ol’ Bubbba cain’t read tew wail..but man does he get tough under the ovale orifice! ‘Cept with Hilarity of course.


7 posted on 05/01/2007 5:54:35 AM PDT by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: sgtbono2002
I found it!

"Let us never forget a quarter of a million men, women and children have been shelled, shot and tortured to death."

1995: Transcript of President Clinton's speech on Bosnia

8 posted on 05/01/2007 6:04:17 AM PDT by avacado
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>>>>>>Let us never forget a quarter of a million men, women and children have been shelled, shot and tortured to death."<<<<

Let us never forget that this sworn perjuror never missed an opportunity to brazenly lie.

Let us never forget the crimes of X-42 : Waco, Kosovo

9 posted on 05/01/2007 6:24:03 AM PDT by DTA (Mr. President, Condi is asleep at the wheel !!!)
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the memorial in memory of Srebrenica hoax was financed by U.S. taxpayers. I believe there are grounds to sue Americans involved in this scam for defrauding the public.


10 posted on 05/01/2007 6:27:38 AM PDT by DTA (Mr. President, Condi is asleep at the wheel !!!)
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To: avacado
The death toll has been revised downward because they found the Muslims were counting the same people several times and including some of the same people as both civilian deaths and soldier deaths if they died in battle.

Norwegian researchers, hired by the ICTY, found overcounting.

For instance a Muslim who left his home town to join the Bosnian Muslim army and was transferred or lived in different places during the war years, would be counted if he eventually died, as a civilian in each of the places he lived and was registered. So you had some people counted in triplicate or even more.

11 posted on 05/01/2007 6:27:56 AM PDT by joan
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To: DTA

They appear to be transferring any Muslim male who ever lived in Srebrenica to that location to make a larger display graveyard.


12 posted on 05/01/2007 6:35:36 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan

What is the official count now? Not including soldiers or fighters.


13 posted on 05/01/2007 7:03:49 AM PDT by avacado
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To: joan

thanks for the ping.....


14 posted on 05/01/2007 7:04:14 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Machavelli

Bump that one big time.


15 posted on 05/01/2007 7:06:50 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Machavelli

Bump that one big time.


16 posted on 05/01/2007 7:06:55 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: avacado

very good find, thank you. I’m putting this out to my group.


17 posted on 05/01/2007 7:08:49 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

You’re welcome. Here’s another you may or may not have seen.

.....

“CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government — a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

President Clinton
Oval Office Address to the American People
December 16, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html


18 posted on 05/01/2007 7:21:47 AM PDT by avacado
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To: joan
More generally, Clinton’s State Department bureaucracy used the “Srebrenica genocide” – as it has since been referred to as a result of controversial verdicts pronounced by the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague – to justify its support for Muslim-dominated political movements not just in Bosnia but in Macedonia and Serbia’s Kosovo region, which is currently seeking independence. And, since most of Clinton’s State Department appointments, headed by Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, have continued running the U.S. Balkan strategy, the policy has remained intact to this day.

more sobering..... Bush (and us) again being “lead” by the nose by ex-Clinton State and CIA and Pentagon implants.

19 posted on 05/01/2007 7:26:10 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: avacado

Yes: 100,000 victims (implied DEAD) was the most “typical” mainstream media exaggeration of the pre-war propaganda, but (at best) the 100,000 was those displaced by combat. But IMPLIED (and sometimes directly stated!) was 100,000 murdered victims.

Here, that got increased to a quarter million. With even more propaganda from the press - who WANTED that war!


20 posted on 05/01/2007 7:29:17 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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