Skip to comments.Was 'Srebrenica genocide' a hoax? (Muslim soldiers who died in earlier battles used to up count)
Posted on 05/01/2007 4:11:39 AM PDT by joan
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French recognition of American independence did not magically make the British hanging of Nathan Hale into a war-crime. The Bosnian Serbs were fighting for the integrity of their homeland—Yugoslavia—just as the ‘secessionists’ from Virginia who formed West Virginia, to oppose secession.
From their point of view, the Bosnian secessionists were traitors. Again, I remind you, the Geneva Conventions do not apply to civil wars.
3016 missing persons, and 350 on voting lists, vs. lots more missing and 9 on voting lists for a different election? (I read the same thing you read and cited in your post to the other thread, the Brunborg et al. report that looked at tht 1997 and 1998 lists, and found only 9 of the missing).
The ‘experts’ employed by the Kangaroo Court for the Former Yugoslavia don’t seem to be able to tell a coherent story. Seeing this is the same ‘august’ body whose case against Milosevic had completely collapsed before his death, I’m suprised you have the timerity to cite them as authoritative.
Equating ‘missing persons’ with murdered (or summarily executed, by your leave) is a neat trick. Missing can be murdered, executed, killed in battle, died of natural causes, fled and living overseas under a new identity, moved to the next village after the war and not speaking up, since your propaganda depends on keeping the number of missing, disingenuously declared murdered, as high as possible.
For precisely that reason, battle casualties are an issue: you want to claim missing = murdered, which is not the case, as even one battle casualty among the missing proves.
Again, I remind you, the Geneva Conventions do not apply.
See if you can follow me here:
The Geneva Convention relative to the treatment of Prisoners of War specifically state that they apply to conflicts "not of an international character".
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
( a ) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
( b ) Taking of hostages;
( c ) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
( d ) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
And if that, like what transpires at the ICTY, proves too difficult for you to understand, the following Protocol II makes it even simpler:
Article 1.-Material field of application
1. This Protocol, which develops and supplements Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 without modifying its existing conditions of application, shall apply to all armed conflicts which are not covered by Article 1 of the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I) and which take place in the territory of a High Contracting Party between its armed forces and dissident armed forces or other organized armed groups which, under responsible command, exercise such control over a part of its territory as to enable them to carry out sustained and concerted military operations and to implement this Protocol.
2. This Protocol shall not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence and other acts of a similar nature, as not being armed conflicts.
In short, you're wrong, and appear to be operating under the mistaken impression that simply because you post something, that it somehow is worthy of consideration and immune from the most basic fact-checking.
Disabuse yourself of any such notion immediately.
Get yourself half a brain.
Hoppie/Helot-—You are so seriously brainwashed that you really can’t get enough of the BS put out there by roddie and his boy toy Burns all covering up for bureacrazis at dysfunctional State.
The whole thing is a deliberate fabrication - propaganda “big lie” (to quote Goebbels - and a complete coverup of the genocide committed by the muslims there.
In fact the ranking UN officer on the scene at Srebenica has said this:
“Everybody is parroting everybody [about Srebrenica] but nobody shows hard evidence. In the Netherlands people want to prove at all costs that genocide has been committed. I dont believe any of it. The day after the collapse of Srebrenica, July 13, I arrived in Bratunac [alleged massacre site] and stayed there for eight days. I was able to go wherever I wanted to. I was granted all possible assistance; nowhere was I stopped.”
(Captain Schouten, in Bratunac, Het Parool, 27/07/95)
Hoppie/Helot—brainless wonder that you are...is there any hope for you? Or are you condemned to believe big monopolistic media lies for the rest of your life like a schoolboy...
And before the videotape of the Scorpions executing their prisoners surfaced, folks were denying the involvement of the Serbian MUP in the Srebrenica genocide too, weren't they?
Fact of the matter is that Schouten's statement has been overtaken by events and evidence long ago - your posting it as if it had any relevance merely points to the fact that you have made the choice to remain clueless in order to post idiot denials of a well established event.
You are hopelessly stuck Hopelless.
Stuck in a Soros-inspired secularization model fantasy world of genocide denial...like the Muslim Turks your kissing bloody cousins.
As for Schouten and others: he was there and he is an eyewitness to the truth...many here are trying to save you by throwing your a rope, but instead you keep on hanging yourself with the lies perpetrated by the mass media and international financial interests.
But your cluelessness matters not: A Sarkozy victoire will go far to dampen any thoughts about the kosovo frankenstein nightmare Clintonistas tried to foster.
he was there and he is an eyewitness to the truth
That he didn't see anything, sure.
But other eyewitnesses did, and have been supported by physical evidence recovered from the execution sites and the mass graves.
So attempting to rely upon Schouten to maintain an argument from ignorance is, as I said earlier, cluelessness on your part.
Yep, the Muhammedan troops fleeing from Srebrenica ran into subsequent Serbian forces and were dealt a severe defeat.
Sounds like a recipe for defeating the Jihadist and the Dhimmi scum who knee before them!
Those faked tapes couldn’t be more laughable if Dan Rather had presented them! LOL!
Is life as a Soros fluffer that rewarding to you?
Hey dhimmi man-—One honest eyewitness is worth more than all the media doctored Moore docs fantasy pics you can come up with.
The logical error of your argument has already been pointed out to you.
I guess it's just too much for you to understand.
Maybe if someone with an IQ above 70 tried explaining it since you claim that having someone with a lower IQ failed on your earlier post.
HoppieHelot on a tear...Oooh the dhimmi dares to respond.
Atrocity stories are a classic and effective way to motivate hatred agains an enemy you are out to destroy. Poland attacked Germany on 1 Septembr 1939, right? The British press in 1914 had “Huns” raping every maiden in Belgium. The “Ulster Massacre of 1641” was a hoax by London to foment hatred of the Irish; it was intended to “justify” all-out war for centuries on the Irish, citing numbers of victims that were astronomically in excess of the number of Protestants in Ireland. And then there’s that big hit ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” which “proved” that Jews were out to exterminate Gentiles.
WHEN DID THE “PRESSTITUTES” (thanks for that to Ilana Mercer) FIRST START USING THE PHRASE The Srebrenica Massacre [of x-thousands of Muslim men and boys]?
When did the Srebrenica Massacre story break?
No reports from 10 July 1995 and the immediately ensuing days and weeks ever refer to the massacre of Muslim men and boys. The numbers ranged from 2,000 to 8,000 and 10,000...
From Iran, no mention of a massacre having taken place:
Iranian foreign minister [Velayati], in a message to the UN secretary-general, has asked for immediate action to PREVENT a massacre of the defenceless people of Srebrenica by the Serb rebels. SOURCE: Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; Source: Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; SECTION: Part 4 Middle East; THE MIDDLE EAST; IRAN; ME/2353/MED. Message to UN secretary-general. Text of report by Iranian TV on 11th July.
From the front, no mention of a massacre having taken place:
Reports from the front in mid-July 1995, e.g. Chris Hedges in the New York Times of 18 July 1995, reported that thousands of armed Muslim fighters slipped through Serb lines under fire and arriving safe in Tuzla, held by Muslim forces (and a US garrison).
The lag time between as yet unbaptized Srebrenica Massacre on 10-11 July 1995 and the first press reports is over a month. David Rohde, who spearheaded the story that became known as the Srebrenica Massacre, did not himself use any such phrase or make such a claim. In his story in the Guardian of 19 August 1995 we find I saw what appeared to be a decomposing human leg protruding from freshly turned dirt He repeated Albrights fabrication about a massacre in a soccer stadium in a nearby town, [where] human faeces, blood, and other evidence indicated large numbers of people were CONFINED, and PERHAPS shot. Also: United Nations official estimate that 4,000 to 6,000 Muslim men are still MISSING in the wake of the Srebrenica and Zepa ASSAULTS.
The news would have still been hot when Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote an Op-Ed piece in The New Republic of 7 August 1995, under the headline: AFTER SREBRENICA. Zbig Brzezinski says only that something awful MIGHT happen.
Nowhere does Brzezinski mention a Srebrenica massacre. That catch phrase does not appear until weeks after the alleged event. It will not be found in the press until the American-sponsored Croatian Storm (Oluja) on Serb Krajina in August-September 1995.
(In)Consistency: Madeleine Korbel Albright, whose Albright Group now has the franchise for the cell phone business in Kosovo, brought the earliest allegation of a POSSIBLE Serb massacre of Muslims on August 11, 1995. But the chief United States delegate to the United Nations told a closed session of the Security Council only that 2,000 to 2,700 MISSING “Bosnians” (i.e. Muslims; Serbs and Croats, like “Diocletian” are Bosnians, too) from the Srebrenica enclave MIGHT HAVE BEEN shot by the Bosnian Serbs. She did not use the formulation Srebrenica massacre.
So, the numbers in Albrights document and subsequent tellings and re-tellings are not consistent.
LEXIS-NEXIS searches now permit us to track down and date press reports on whatever story. Readers can see for themselves what results turn up in searches dated between 10 July 1995 and the beginning of October 1995, using parameters such as
(Srebrenica AND massacre)
(Srebrenica AND missing)
Srebrenica AND 7000 OR 8000)
(7000-8000 men and boys)
(Koranically, once boys attain the age of fifteen, they are warriors for Islam.) Remeber boy bombers in Israel.
Did the Srebrenica Massacre happen? Draw your own conclusions.
Why the absence of reports of a “Srebrenica Massacre”? Simple. There was nothing to report. That is, until the US needed a lie to smokescreen Europe’s biggst ethnic cleansing since World War II. This was “Storm”, i.e. Honest Bill Clinton’s US (MPRI) attack of August-September 1995 on Krajina’s native population, Serbs.
This was Europe’s biggest ethnic cleansing since World War II. It took a BIG Lie to conceal it, plus a bunch of presstitutes and a voyeuristic public that’s hooked on Cop TV shows, Judge Judy et al., Jerry Springer, Maurie Povich and RAPE headlines.
Mike Wallace and a score of other Free Pess newshawks went went to Srebrenica in 1995. He’s not one to miss a spectacular story. He didn’t file any.
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