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Catholic hospitals may be forced to do abortions
Spero News ^ | April 30, 2007

Posted on 05/01/2007 5:42:17 AM PDT by NYer

 The Connecticut state Senate overwhelmingly approved a bill Wednesday April 25 that would require all hospitals — including the four Catholic facilities — to provide the Plan B emergency contraceptive to rape victims. The abortifacient drug is also known as the morning after pill.

“This bill is a violation of the separation of Church and State,” wrote Bishops Henry Mansell of Hartford and William Lori of Bridgeport in a letter to lawmakers on Wednesday. “The Catholic Bishops of Connecticut are responsible for establishing and determining what moral guidelines Catholic institutions should follow; not the Connecticut General Assembly.”

“Senate Bill 1343 should contain language that respects the religious beliefs of Catholic hospitals and not force them to cooperate, either directly or through a third-party contract, in an abortion,” they said. 

The bill, which passed 32-3, now heads to the House, where it appears likely to pass, reported the Journal Inquirer.

The bill allows hospitals to first give patients a pregnancy test. Those with religious or other objections could hire an outside physician to administer the contraceptive rather than assign that duty to hospital staff.

The Connecticut Catholic Conference rejected the measure, saying that hiring a physician outside of regular staff would not undo the ethical concern.

"It is clear to us that this approach would involve the hospital in a way that would violate Catholic moral principles of cooperation," the bishop wrote. "It would still involve Catholic hospitals in the performance of early abortions by administering Plan B when the medication cannot act solely as a contraceptive."

The state's four Catholic hospitals — St. Francis, St. Raphael, St. Vincent, and St. Mary — do not provide the contraceptive if a woman is ovulating or pregnant.

The Catholic hospitals have argued that the Plan B contraceptive could cause an abortion by preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. Catholic teaching holds that human life begins at conception.

“Catholic hospitals provide emergency contraception to rape victims in the vast majority of cases,” the bishops noted in their letter. “In fact, it is an extreme rarity when this medication would not be provided.”

Senate Minority Leader Louis DeLuca (R-Woodbury), Sen. Daniel Debicella (R-Shelton), and Donald DeFronzo (D-New Britain) opposed the bill.

DeLuca had proposed an amendment, which was endorsed by the Catholic Conference, would require every hospital to have a written protocol for dealing with rape victims. Hospitals would be allowed to refer such patients to other facilities, but would have to report their reasons for doing so to the Department of Public Health.

“Catholic hospitals, in those rare cases, would provide the patient information on where the medication is available and provide transportation to another hospital if the patient requests a transfer. Outside rape crisis counselors are also available from outside the hospitals if the patient requests their support,” the bishops said. 

DeLuca did not succeed in getting the amendment passed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; giuliani; morningafterpill
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1 posted on 05/01/2007 5:42:18 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 05/01/2007 5:42:54 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
They should, they MUST refuse to participate in such abhorrance.
3 posted on 05/01/2007 5:44:54 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: NYer

The 4 Catholic hospitals should close their doors until the law is suspended.


4 posted on 05/01/2007 5:45:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: NYer

I would just shut down the hospital, if I were them.


5 posted on 05/01/2007 5:46:02 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: NYer
If this bill becomes law I would hope that these hospitals close down their ER’s rather than comply.
6 posted on 05/01/2007 5:46:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: NYer

Where are the separation of church and state folks?


7 posted on 05/01/2007 5:47:09 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Brilliant
I would just shut down the hospital, if I were them.

Closing down their ER would be enough,I believe.

8 posted on 05/01/2007 5:47:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: NYer

The hospital should stop taking public money in any shape or form and then do as they please.


9 posted on 05/01/2007 5:49:10 AM PDT by misterrob (Yankees Suck!)
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To: NYer

Well that’s my coffee-spewing news for the day.


10 posted on 05/01/2007 5:49:26 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Brilliant

“I would just shut down the hospital, if I were them.”

Fantastic idea. Kill some more people.


11 posted on 05/01/2007 5:50:39 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: NYer

I agree if they all closed the ER’s they would be able to show that they too have power.


12 posted on 05/01/2007 5:50:49 AM PDT by badpacifist (http://chris-sligh.info/content/view/40/31/)
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To: NYer; theDentist; ClearCase_guy; Brilliant; Gay State Conservative
“This bill is a violation of the separation of Church and State,” wrote Bishops Henry Mansell of Hartford and William Lori

They conveniently ignore the fact that these hospitals are operated with huge amounts of taxpayer money. If the Church is running hospitals exclusively with its own money, and with the money of self-pay and privately insured patients, then it should not be subject to interference from government. As long as they run the hospitals with taxpayers' dollars, they have to follow the taxpayers' rules, just like any other institution that uses taxpayers' dollars.

13 posted on 05/01/2007 5:51:52 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: NYer

I am under the impression that Catholic hospitals would just have to refer the rape victims to another hospital.


14 posted on 05/01/2007 5:53:22 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer
A good start would be to publicly excommunicate every Catholic member of the Connecticut Legislature who voted for the bill and every Catholic politician who supports it.
15 posted on 05/01/2007 5:55:35 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: NYer

To give a trival analogy, this is a bit like requiring a Kosher restaurant serve ham and pork. Someone should know enefre to go to a Catholic hospital for such purposes. But, indeed, what is coming up is the demand that every hospital provide abortion services.


16 posted on 05/01/2007 5:58:29 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Gerish
I am under the impression that Catholic hospitals would just have to refer the rape victims to another hospital.

Not, apparently, according to this law.

DeLuca had proposed an amendment, which was endorsed by the Catholic Conference, would require every hospital to have a written protocol for dealing with rape victims. Hospitals would be allowed to refer such patients to other facilities, but would have to report their reasons for doing so to the Department of Public Health.

“Catholic hospitals, in those rare cases, would provide the patient information on where the medication is available and provide transportation to another hospital if the patient requests a transfer. Outside rape crisis counselors are also available from outside the hospitals if the patient requests their support,” the bishops said.

DeLuca did not succeed in getting the amendment passed.


17 posted on 05/01/2007 6:01:49 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: The Great RJ

Yours is the best answer of the day.


18 posted on 05/01/2007 6:01:51 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: NYer

Want to put these bishops in a tizzy?

Tell them that it’s the illegal aliens that want the abortions.


19 posted on 05/01/2007 6:04:02 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: NYer

Typical socialist bigots running CT, it seems.


20 posted on 05/01/2007 6:04:17 AM PDT by pissant
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To: edcoil
Where are the separation of church and state folks?

Those folks only believe that only restricts the Church from getting involved with the State, not the State regulating the Church. As if somehow the Constitution was a documents whose purpose was to limit the Church. Seeing how the Constitution was adopted by the Government and not by the Church, it can only logically be interpreted as a document which limits the power of the government. So the whole doctrine of separation of Church and State is flawed legally.

21 posted on 05/01/2007 6:04:47 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: The Great RJ

The problem is that the church has not publicly excommunicated all its priests for molesting children so now, it has a real disadvantage in protecting itself.


22 posted on 05/01/2007 6:07:11 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: gracesdad
Fantastic idea. Kill some more people.

No, it would be diseases and accidents that would kill people. I doubt it would have to be in effect longer than a month before Connecticut voters persuade lawmakers to recant.

23 posted on 05/01/2007 6:07:12 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: NYer

The Church will shut down the hospitals before they would administer so-called Plan B.


24 posted on 05/01/2007 6:08:16 AM PDT by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Nonetheless, abortion is an elective surgery, and therefore they can recommend other hospitals rather than participate in a surgery that is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic Church, whose name is on the doors.


25 posted on 05/01/2007 6:09:39 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: NYer

The best option for the Church is to keep the hospitals open and simply refuse to distribute. It will force a confrontation, but in the meantime, the hospital can continue providing legitimate healthcare to the public. When the hospital administrators are led away in cuffs, these hospitals will close their doors, but not before then. The key is to obstinately refuse to follow an immoral law. At that point, all bets are off. Shutting them down right away will only hurt the people they are legitimately giving care to, as well as all of the employees who earn their living at these facilities.


26 posted on 05/01/2007 6:13:04 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: hunter112

“No, it would be diseases and accidents that would kill people.”

I see, so is it guns — not people — that kill people then? (sarc)

Shutting down the hospitals completely would inevitably lead to the death of some people who would have otherwise survived. Meanwhile, people who want Plan B will simply go elsewhere.

Mind you, I agree that the Catholic hospitals should not be forced to give out Plan B. But shutting down completely would be moronic.


27 posted on 05/01/2007 6:15:10 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The state bumps aside private insurers to become the #1 insurer, and then you figure that makes it alright for the state to dictate to a religious organization, because the religious organization “operates with huge amounts federal funding”?

That’s a crock.

If the hospital were to take ear-marked grants, that’d be one thing, but just because the state provides the insurance for many of the hospital’s customers hardly makes the hospital a creature of the state, and therefore at the state’s mercy for making policy.

If McDonald’s sold hamburgers to state workers, would that make McDonald’s “a recipient of government funds”?


28 posted on 05/01/2007 6:16:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

All they have to do is line the walls of the abortion area with pictures of the slaughtered, and hire the most scary, freakiest looking doctor with some thick foreign accent to perform the murder. That would sure discourage me from going there, or anywhere, for such a thing.


29 posted on 05/01/2007 6:17:22 AM PDT by sirdudly
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To: The Great RJ

Bravo!!!

(Except most bishops — I can’t speak specifically for the two from Connecticut — are Stalinist apostates who just try to look good for Rome.)


30 posted on 05/01/2007 6:18:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

Sounds like another potential Supreme Court showdown.


31 posted on 05/01/2007 6:18:37 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: badpacifist

They would also demonstrate power by simply ignoring the law and keeping the hospitals open for legitimate services. In other words, telling the legislature, “MAKE US!”

There is a great lesson to be learned here in appropriate civil disobedience. When the law is immoral, there is no longer an obligation to follow said law. Closing the doors without a fight means the culture of death has power over the moral right to refuse following laws that are morally unsupportable.


32 posted on 05/01/2007 6:19:33 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: gracesdad

>> Shutting down the hospitals completely would inevitably lead to the death of some people who would have otherwise survived. Meanwhile, people who want Plan B will simply go elsewhere. <<

But the point is that the Catholic Church is not responsible. Literally, not responsible. You, and the state of Connecticut, are treating the Catholic hospitals as if they do what they do out of legal duty. They don’t; they do it out of moral compassion, which, so long as it doesn’t participate in evil, is a Christian work. If they must participate in evil, then all they are doing is diverting religious funds to support a socialist state by filling in where the state fails to meet the responsibilities it has claimed for itself.


33 posted on 05/01/2007 6:22:38 AM PDT by dangus
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To: The Great RJ
A good start would be to publicly excommunicate every Catholic member of the Connecticut Legislature who voted for the bill and every Catholic politician who supports it.

This is the what the church should do.

It would send the right initial message. I sincerly hope the do it.

My first reaction was to say shut the doors.......but that reaction would put too many members of the community at risk.

The church should excommunicate them and the hospitals should simply refuse to perform the service.

34 posted on 05/01/2007 6:22:41 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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ping to self


35 posted on 05/01/2007 6:28:51 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: dangus

I’m not treating the Catholic hospitals like anything. I have nothing to do with this. I simply think closing the doors would be moronic. Just refuse to provide Plan B and battle it out in the legislature and in the media.


36 posted on 05/01/2007 6:30:36 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: hunter112

I have to agree with you....if they shut it down, the neighborhood loses out. since all elections and politics are local, perhaps some hell would be raised by the actual people affected, not some catholic bashing politician...


37 posted on 05/01/2007 6:33:15 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: NYer

As with all great liberal ideas - the ones who will get hurt will be the ones they claim to care about.

The hospitals will wind up closing, and the sick and the poor will have less access to health care.


38 posted on 05/01/2007 6:34:42 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
great liberal ideas

A triple oxymoron!

39 posted on 05/01/2007 6:49:08 AM PDT by craig_eddy
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To: gracesdad
I see, so is it guns — not people — that kill people then?

Poor analogy, the criminal wielding a gun INTENDS to kill someone in the commission of a crime, the accident perpetrator (while perhaps acting carelessly) does not intend to cause injury to another. And the disease simply doesn't care.

Shutting down the hospitals completely would inevitably lead to the death of some people who would have otherwise survived. Meanwhile, people who want Plan B will simply go elsewhere.

Yes, and while the outcome of the Civil War was the abolition of slavery in the US, many people on both sides died. Was it worth it? Only history will judge that.

Your point about those wanting Plan B finding it elsewhere applies to most of the people needing hospital treatment during the Catholic hospital shutdown. Connecticut is not an isolated backwater, requiring many miles of travel to get to someplace else. Inconveniencing Connecticut citizens for about a month should be all it takes to see that Catholic hospitals need the freedom to reject Plan B, in order for life to get back to normal.

But shutting down completely would be moronic.

How many slices need to be taken in the "death by a thousand cuts" that moral people are enduring for their commitment to innocent life? The legislators in Connecticut seem to think they can have their cake and eat it too, somebody needs to say it ain't gonna be like that.

40 posted on 05/01/2007 6:50:27 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: Religion Moderator

Since this article is from Spero news, a decidedly Catholic site, shouldn’t it be in Religion instead of news?


41 posted on 05/01/2007 6:53:47 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I don't give a rat's a$$ where in the world Matt Lauer is.)
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To: theDentist

AMEN.


42 posted on 05/01/2007 6:56:03 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Scotswife

-when they worship at the altar of abortion, they cannot reason well to begin with.


43 posted on 05/01/2007 6:57:33 AM PDT by tioga
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“This bill is a violation of the separation of Church and State,” wrote Bishops Henry Mansell of Hartford and William Lori”

If the Bishop is so concerned about the separation of church and state, these Catholic hospitals should not be involved with the state via their acceptance of government money.

“As long as they run the hospitals with taxpayers’ dollars, they have to follow the taxpayers’ rules, just like any other institution that uses taxpayers’ dollars.”

Bingo.

If the hospitals in question do not want to be subject to such government interference, they should cease accepting any government money. Period. Then they should be free to succeed or fail on their own merits and of their own policies and procedures.


44 posted on 05/01/2007 7:16:15 AM PDT by DangerDanger ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“As long as they run the hospitals with taxpayers’ dollars, they have to follow the taxpayers’ rules, just like any other institution that uses taxpayers’ dollars.”
Yup. If you take gov’t $ you will be forced to follow their rules.


45 posted on 05/01/2007 7:20:54 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: dangus
But the point is that the Catholic Church is not responsible. Literally, not responsible. You, and the state of Connecticut, are treating the Catholic hospitals as if they do what they do out of legal duty. They don’t; they do it out of moral compassion, which, so long as it doesn’t participate in evil, is a Christian work.

If there were no other recourse, I would agree, but the hospital can still stay open and simply refuse until an inevitable showdown occurs. Meanwhile, during that time, legitimate healthcare can still be provided.

46 posted on 05/01/2007 7:22:39 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: CholeraJoe; Religion Moderator
Since this article is from Spero news, a decidedly Catholic site, shouldn’t it be in Religion instead of news?

This story is being covered by various news outlets. Regardless of which source, the thread is News, not Religion. It belongs in the News/Activism Forum.

47 posted on 05/01/2007 7:25:22 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; dangus
"They conveniently ignore the fact that these hospitals are operated with huge amounts of taxpayer money."

How do you figure that? As best I know Catholic hospitals do not take government monies, just like Catholic schools do not take government monies either.

BTW you seemed misnamed, sound more like an enabler then a shrinker.

48 posted on 05/01/2007 7:26:58 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: theDentist

The administering of Plan B, which is what this article is about, requires no surgery.


49 posted on 05/01/2007 7:32:51 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GovernmentShrinker

What a load of codswallop.


50 posted on 05/01/2007 7:35:34 AM PDT by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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