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GONZALES WANTS ARBITRARY POWER TO BLOCK GUN PURCHASES; SAF SAYS HE SHOULD RESIGN
Second Amendment Foundation (email alert) ^ | 5/1/07 | Alan Gottlieb

Posted on 05/01/2007 12:47:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie

BELLEVUE, WA – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ troubling support of legislation that would allow him and future attorneys general the arbitrary power to block firearms purchases without due process is cause for him to step down as the nation’s highest ranking law enforcement officer, the Second Amendment Foundation said today.

The bill, S. 1237, was introduced last week at the Justice Department’s request by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), one of the most extreme anti-gunners in Congress. Called the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007,” this legislation would give the Attorney General discretionary authority to deny the purchase of a firearm or the issuance of a firearm license or permit because of some vague suspicion that an American citizen may be up to no good.

“This bill,” said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, “raises serious concerns about how someone becomes a ‘suspected terrorist.’ Nobody has explained how one gets their name on such a list, and worse, nobody knows how to get one’s name off such a list.

“The process by which someone may appeal the Attorney General’s arbitrary denial seems weak at best,” Gottlieb suggested, “and there is a greater concern. When did we decide as a nation that it is a good idea to give a cabinet member the power to deny someone’s constitutional right simply on suspicion, without a trial or anything approaching due process?

“We’re not surprised that General Gonzales has found an agreeable sponsor in Frank Lautenberg,” Gottlieb observed. “The senator from New Jersey has never seen a restrictive gun control scheme he did not immediately embrace, and S. 1237 is loaded with red flags. It would allow an appointed bureaucrat the authority to suspend or cancel someone’s Second Amendment right without even being charged with a crime.

“Attorney General Gonzales has no business asking for that kind of power over any tenet in the Bill of Rights,” Gottlieb said. “He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not trample it. Perhaps it is time for him to go.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: albertogonzales; banglist; bootlick; cwii; doj; gonzales; gungrabber; lautenberg; libertysecurity; patriotact; phaedra; rkba; s1237; saf; secondamendment; wot
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To: Carry_Okie
S. 1237, was introduced last week at the Justice Department’s request by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)

First off, Freepers should putting oputting the blame where it belongs... with Sen Lautenburg and the D's...

Called the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007,”

Secondly, if they have reason to believe someone is a terrorist, then they should be arresting, detaining, or deporting. In any case where authorities have stepped in, the privilige of purchasing guns or posessing guns is suspended until charges are cleared. That makes the need for this proposed law mute.

101 posted on 05/01/2007 1:55:45 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: AuntB

Thanks the text of the introduced bill is at the bottom of your link: http://lautenberg.senate.gov/assets/terrorgap/Lautenberg_Bill_4_26_07.pdf

It’s awful: “or appropriately suspected” boy, that’s a heck of a legal phrase.

Unless an indictment or some such real legal process is required the bill is unconstututional on it’s face.

Besides being stupid: it requires revealing that the person is under suspicion.


102 posted on 05/01/2007 1:57:15 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: stephenjohnbanker
POTUS oath of office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Yep....Methinks Bush has a few problems there.
103 posted on 05/01/2007 1:58:17 PM PDT by rottndog (Fred Thompson will mop the floor with all the other Republican nominees.)
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To: BearWash
Gonzales is just the latest of the exposed failures of Bush appointees. There was Sec of State Colin Powell, Sec of Transportation Mineta, Secy of Energy Abraham, Secy of Housing Martinez, Secy of Treas, John Snow and O’Neill, EPA Director Christine Whitman, Press Secretary Scott McClelland, Pres Advisor and Nominee for Supreme Court Harriet Miers, 911 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean, as well as numerous lower Fed court appointments.

Bush has been an unmitigated disaster for the conservative movement.

104 posted on 05/01/2007 1:59:20 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: Carry_Okie; BearWash
You know, must people think the screen name anonymity is some protection, but if you mount a concerted effort, you can often find the identity of a poster even if the forum administrator won't reveal it. Crossed that bridge when I joined the forum.

I get mail at my house addressed to kerryusama04.

105 posted on 05/01/2007 1:59:26 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (John 19:31)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

really?


106 posted on 05/01/2007 2:00:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Carry_Okie

I am so sick of this crap.


107 posted on 05/01/2007 2:01:45 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: rottndog

“”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.””

Yeah, his problem is he has FAILED MISERABLY to defend our borders!!


108 posted on 05/01/2007 2:01:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Dead Corpse

You and me both, D C !!


109 posted on 05/01/2007 2:03:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Carry_Okie

I miss John Ashcroft.


110 posted on 05/01/2007 2:03:46 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Magnum44; All
First off, Freepers should putting oputting the blame where it belongs... with Sen Lautenburg and the D's...

See post 77: "in response to the Senator’s request, the DOJ created a department-wide working group that eventually produced a series of recommendations. That working group produced the legislative recommendations that Lautenberg introduced last night........DOJ recommended the introduction of the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007.”

111 posted on 05/01/2007 2:04:10 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Redcloak

“I miss John Ashcroft”

You prefer an honorable man to Mr. La Raza??


112 posted on 05/01/2007 2:05:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Article 4 Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

At the very least he is derelict in his duties as defined by the Constitution. Actually, he's not derelicting anything--he's deliberately not defending American Sovereignty.
113 posted on 05/01/2007 2:05:06 PM PDT by rottndog (Fred Thompson will mop the floor with all the other Republican nominees.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Gonzales had a reputation as a gun grabber before he came to office. I've been wondering how long it was take for him to start showing his colors.
114 posted on 05/01/2007 2:05:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Carry_Okie
"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ troubling support of legislation that would allow him and future attorneys general the arbitrary power to block firearms purchases without due process is cause for him to step down as the nation’s highest ranking law enforcement officer, the Second Amendment Foundation said today."

That does it for me.

He should resign now. If not, I'm all for impeaching his ass.

115 posted on 05/01/2007 2:06:08 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Dead Corpse

I am so sick of this crap.


Ditto, DC. At this rate, it won't be long before that Constitutional reset button gets pushed.

116 posted on 05/01/2007 2:06:09 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF *GOA*SAS)
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To: Carry_Okie
I was on the side of Sect. Gonzales until this moment.

If they find a Terrorist Mohammedan they should just put a bullet in his brain, don't try to take his gun away from him. If he is a terrorist he will steal a gun to do people in, or look under the kitchen sink and make an explosive to do people in.

Pass the law now to fight terrorists and have it turned around against us by the next Democrap Administration to coddle and appease the Mohammedans.

The last thing we need is to give our Federal Gvt. the ability to arbitrarily take the last line of defense from Americans.

117 posted on 05/01/2007 2:06:31 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: rottndog

“At the very least he is derelict in his duties as defined by the Constitution. Actually, he’s not derelicting anything—he’s deliberately not defending American Sovereignty”

It’s the “deliberate” part that one cannot defend!


118 posted on 05/01/2007 2:07:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: kerryusama04
"Gonzales is not from Mexico. A huge section of this planet peaks Spanish and have names ending in es/ez."

Gonzales' parents were illegal aliens. They entered this country illegally. Gonzales is an anchor baby and was also a member of the racist hispanic organization called 'La Raza'.

119 posted on 05/01/2007 2:08:26 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: MozarkDawg
Even if this thing could get through the both the House and Senate and be signed into law, it canNOT pass Constitutional muster.

The same was said of campaign finance reform from McCain and Feingold. It was signed. I have not seen it swatted down as unconstitutional. It's better to prevent bad legislation from being passed or signed into law.

120 posted on 05/01/2007 2:09:11 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I prefer someone who shows due respect for the Constitution. The color of his skin or his Abuelita's immigration status do not matter one bit to me.
121 posted on 05/01/2007 2:09:37 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Just emailed my Senators Nelson (D) and Martinez (R).


122 posted on 05/01/2007 2:10:28 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Godebert

Speaking of LaRaza, did you know the US Gov. gives LaRaza 5 to 10 million dollars every year? How do you like financing your own demise? Pretty nice scam, eh?

April 23, 2007 - IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Sponsor: Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] COSPONSOR Rep Renzi, Rick [AZ-1]

To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund.

(b) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section—

(1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and

(2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=25447


123 posted on 05/01/2007 2:13:08 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Hazcat
Just emailed my Senators Nelson (D) and Martinez (R).

Emailing Martinez is a waste of bandwidth.

124 posted on 05/01/2007 2:14:56 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Redcloak

“I prefer someone who shows due respect for the Constitution. The color of his skin or his Abuelita’s immigration status do not matter one bit to me”

It doesn’t matter to me either!


125 posted on 05/01/2007 2:16:22 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Carry_Okie; Joe Brower
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/NRA_ltr_gonzales.pdf

For whatever reason, I couldn't copy the text. This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Statism gone mad.

126 posted on 05/01/2007 2:18:00 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Godebert

“Gonzales’ parents were illegal aliens. They entered this country illegally. Gonzales is an anchor baby and was also a member of the racist hispanic organization called ‘La Raza’”

I knew about the La Raza connection, but I didn’t know his parents were illegals. Any reference on this? Thanks.


127 posted on 05/01/2007 2:18:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Carry_Okie

Does this TRULY surprise anyone?

I wager The Constitution will be completely dismantled within the next handful of years

And we’ll have Compassionate Conservatism and it’s older brother Marxism to thank.


128 posted on 05/01/2007 2:19:15 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: EdReform; stephenjohnbanker

Probably doesn’t help my mindset at all that I’m currently on page 374 of John Ross’ Unintended Consequences either...


129 posted on 05/01/2007 2:25:36 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In a television interview, Gonzales told Wolf Blitzer on CNN that no immigration documentation exists for three of his grandparents and thus most probably they may have entered and resided in the United States illegally.


130 posted on 05/01/2007 2:25:46 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Joe Brower
As my wife and I were discussing last nite, Bush is a good President only in comparison to what we would have had if the swiftboat guy had won. Other than that, he's had his moments, but still...

I'm afraid we'll have to give him a C-

131 posted on 05/01/2007 2:26:10 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: AuntB

Well, that does make the case a little more damning. I have no problem with calling for all who promote such nonsense to step down. If I heard this from the NRA, I would be right onboard. I dont know SAF and if it has any hidden agendas or not. I do know that liberal staffers and govt employees who are well below the level of Gonzalez and President Bush initiate a lot of stuff, and conservatives tend to assume that the President and his cabinet are the ones doing it. In fact, most times they are so high up and watered down from the details, they find out about such screw ups like you and I, in the papers.

My second comment still applies


132 posted on 05/01/2007 2:28:01 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: Carry_Okie

We purchased our first and only gun this past weekend.

Good thing!


133 posted on 05/01/2007 2:29:55 PM PDT by JFC
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To: Myrddin
It was signed. I have not seen it swatted down as unconstitutional.

Was a challenge made, in the Supreme Court?? I can't believe that the FIRST American citizen denied his Amendment II rights wouldn't bring this baloney to the Court, if it even lasted that long.

134 posted on 05/01/2007 2:36:26 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: JFC
First and only?

Got any past shooting experience?

135 posted on 05/01/2007 2:37:57 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Carry_Okie
+1 Carry_Okie.

This should be in Breaking News.

BTTT

/jasper

136 posted on 05/01/2007 2:37:59 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: Dead Corpse

First and only?
Got any past shooting experience?

Nope, and we bought a Smith and Wesson, We are signing up for a gun course this week.


137 posted on 05/01/2007 2:40:31 PM PDT by JFC
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To: Carry_Okie
The fact that Lautenberg sponsored it tells me it’s a bad bill. The fact that Gonzales supports it tells me he’s a bad person. Time for Gonzales to resign.
138 posted on 05/01/2007 2:41:41 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: Godebert

Fine that makes him the poster boy for Bush amnesty : )


139 posted on 05/01/2007 2:46:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: JFC

... we bought a Smith and Wesson


If you don't mind my asking, which model did you buy?

140 posted on 05/01/2007 2:47:24 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF *GOA*SAS)
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To: neverdem
This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Statism gone mad.

With "somebody else" to blame. Sorry I forgot to ping you.

141 posted on 05/01/2007 2:47:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Dead Corpse

No, I guess it wouldn’t : )


142 posted on 05/01/2007 2:48:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Myrddin
I have not seen it swatted down as unconstitutional.

SCOTUS just heard another case on McCain - Feingold. I expect a 5 - 4 vote against it before the summer recess, if Kennedy votes as he did the first time it came before the SCOTUS. Say your prayers and keep your fingers crossed.

143 posted on 05/01/2007 2:49:39 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Carry_Okie

And remember they’ve got a slam-dunk with hillary and 900+ fbi files, and won’t touch it. Shows how corrupt they are.


144 posted on 05/01/2007 2:49:43 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Magnum44
If I heard this from the NRA, I would be right onboard. I dont know SAF and if it has any hidden agendas or not.

SAF is, if anything, more rigorous than the NRA. They brook no illusions that the Second Amendment is about "hunting."

145 posted on 05/01/2007 2:50:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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Disarm America? Here's how [liberal wants Nazi type search of every household in the U.S.]
146 posted on 05/01/2007 2:51:19 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF *GOA*SAS)
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To: Jasper; Admin Moderator
This should be in Breaking News.

The mods have been pinged twice, oops, three times now. ;-)

147 posted on 05/01/2007 2:52:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Alberto, your outta here. Little punk. I would have liked this little punk to step down a long time ago! I warned you!

He is worthless.


148 posted on 05/01/2007 2:52:49 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Magnum44
If I heard this from the NRA, I would be right onboard.

Comment# 126 has a link with the letter from Chris Cox, head of the NRA's ILA to AG Gonzalez about S. 1237.

149 posted on 05/01/2007 2:56:08 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Always Right
Well if the Bush administration keeps this up, conservatives are going to be asking to impeach Bush.

1. Won't stop the third world surge over the border.
2. Stocking the administration with Mexican sympathizers.
3. Won't stop the stupid rules of engagement for American soldiers.
4. Holds hands with Saudi Kings.
5. Implementing the New World Order – super funds for the wealthy elite.

I’m ready for impeachment

150 posted on 05/01/2007 3:00:00 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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