Posted on 05/02/2007 7:09:53 AM PDT by presidio9
Where there is an apology and a correction I want to be eager to forgive. I really do appreciate your willingness to apologize. It's not easy for me to do it, that's for sure.
For some reason when the words are communicated in black and white on a screen they sometimes appear harsher than they were intended. Maybe that's what is happening here. I don't know. I do want to communicate in a clear manner and I'm sure I fail in good writing sometimes. So I appreciate your willing attitude in this regard.
I hope that much is clear. At the same time I want to be clear that I think that Mormon doctrine of the nature of God is not Christian. However, Mormons are accountable to God for what they believe and teach, not to me. Condemnation and justification of people is God's business, not mine. "Judge of the entire world" is not in my job description. I do not want to presume to have authority to condemn any person. God is a righteous judge, though and He can handle the job of justification and condemnation perfectly well without my help.
I don't think there is a single scripture that you quoted that Mormons would find contrary to their religion.
Let me ask you about one aspect of the evidence. Do you think that Mormons worship Jesus and pray to him as is demonstrated by the Scipture passages in my last post?
Cordially,
Politically, we need to align with a lot of people, the morals, religion, politics etc. of whose we may disagree. That's what political parties are. That is, unless you wish to "go out of the world."
Yes, Certainly.
They don't agree with the summary though. Do you?
Which summary? I don't know what you mean.
Cordially,
That whole big post of yours, the Athanasian Creed. Do you agree with all of it?
This religion is a cult.
Where in the summary does it mention prayer to Jesus? I missed that part. Mormons don't pray to Jesus, but to the Father in Jesus' name (see John 16:23).
hello. :-)
Tell that to LeGrande. In the Bible Jesus is prayed TO, as well as Jehovah.
Cordially,
2) Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?*GALATIANS 1:1 . . . God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) {cf. 1 Thess 1:10}
<>ROMANS 8:11 . . . the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, . . .
+JOHN 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Cordially,
Yes.
"Protestant church historian Philip Schaff comments on it with the following glowing words:
Beyond [the Athanasian Creed] the orthodox development of the doctrine in theThe Athanasian Creed follows, taken from Schaff's work:
Roman and Evangelical churches to this day has made no advance. This Creed is
unsurpassed as a masterpiece of logical clearness, rigor, and precision; and so far as it is possible at all to state in limited dialectic form, and to protect against heresy, the inexhaustible depths of a mystery of faith into which the angels desire to look, this liturgical theological confession achieves the task . . . The Athanasian Creed . . . clearly and concisely sums up the results of the trinitarian and Christological controversies of the ancient church . . . The anathema is to be referred to the heresies, and may not be applied to particular persons, whose judge is God alone.
{History of the Christian Church, vol. 3, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1974 (orig. rev. ed., 1910), 690, 697}
Cordially,
God the Father and Jesus are the same?... Who knew? /sarc
Diamond, "Yes."
From the Athanasian Creed, 1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.
44. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved."
You are a Calvinist, not a Catholic. So I guess you can't be saved? If you really agreed with all of the Athanasian Creed you would be a Catholic.
So you believe that all the Protestant religions are heretics and going to hell.
You asked me to apologize for stating that you condemn Mormons for not being Christians. When I apologized, you immediately reversed yourself and once again condemned Mormons for not being Christian.
I think I know why people never ask me why I am an Atheist ^_^
You might want to look up the word, 'catholic'.
Cordially,
How about you look up the name 'Giordano Bruno' and 'auto de fe'?
An atheist garners no respect nor is due any. Why respect an arrogance that claims to know so much as to know there is no God, yet the atheist lives in the creation the atheist cannot prove is without a creator? You may ask, ‘arrogance’? Yes, I may believe/have faith there is a Creator without being able to scientifically prove there is, but I’m not so arrogant as to claim I know without proof? All such atheist arrogance can do is ridicule the faith of others, as if ridiculing will build up the arrogant one. Such an one is not worthy of respect, he has his reward in his haughty arrogance. The worth is as dust blowing down the road.
Nor asks for any ^_^
Why respect an arrogance that claims to know so much as to know there is no God, yet the atheist lives in the creation the atheist cannot prove is without a creator? You may ask, ‘arrogance’? Yes, I may believe/have faith there is a Creator without being able to scientifically prove there is, but I’m not so arrogant as to claim I know without proof?
No atheist claims to be able to prove that God doesn't exist. It is impossible to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to prove its existence.
All such atheist arrogance can do is ridicule the faith of others, as if ridiculing will build up the arrogant one. Such an one is not worthy of respect, he has his reward in his haughty arrogance. The worth is as dust blowing down the road.
I think if you read my posts you will find that instead of ridiculing faith, I am defending it. What I ridicule are those who attack the faith of others. I have no quarrel with any religion that lets me be. When it comes to Islam, I will fight and know what I am fighting.
Yes, I am arrogant, but I am also willing to learn. I have a placard on my desk that reads, "Make my day, prove me wrong." If you can show me evidence of a God, I will believe (that's the wrong word, but I can't think of a better one). I am also extremely ignorant and continually amazed at how much I don't know.
Mormons and Atheists aren't your enemy MHGinTn. We may have our disagreements, but lets not lose sight of the big picture.
And for the record, I didn't claim you for an enemy. Nor did I claim Mormon indivuals for enemies. I do however maintain that Mormonism, riddled with heresies to Orthodox Christianity, is the enemy of Christianity when they claim to be MORE Christian than any other sect proclaiming Christ. But that was a nice try to create confusion.
Well, Al Sharpton says Mormons don’t believe in God, so it must be true. <.../ sarcasm >
So how do you know that Allah isn't God? Are you an atheist in regards to Allah? Or Despator? How do you prove that Allah isn't God?
And for the record, I didn't claim you for an enemy. Nor did I claim Mormon indivuals for enemies. I do however maintain that Mormonism, riddled with heresies to Orthodox Christianity, is the enemy of Christianity when they claim to be MORE Christian than any other sect proclaiming Christ. But that was a nice try to create confusion.
Mormons don't claim to be more Christian, they claim to be more correct ^_^ I can't even say that with a straight face. This is just like school yard taunting (my dad can beat up on your dad).
Our enemies are the libs and the muzzies. We don't need to fight each other. Lets take it out on them. I know we are all bummed after this last election, but I can sense the momentum building in our favor : )
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