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Arctic ice cap melting 30 years ahead of forecast (annoying ice succesfully removed by man!)
Reuters ^ | Tue May 1, 2:59 PM ET | Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

Posted on 05/02/2007 8:41:50 AM PDT by dead

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Arctic ice cap is melting much faster than expected and is now about 30 years ahead of predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.S. ice expert said on Tuesday.

This means the ocean at the top of the world could be free or nearly free of summer ice by 2020, three decades sooner than the global panel's gloomiest forecast of 2050.

No ice on the Arctic Ocean during summer would be a major spur to global warming, said Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Center in Colorado.

"Right now ... the Arctic helps keep the Earth cool," Scambos said in a telephone interview. "Without that Arctic ice, or with much less of it, the Earth will warm much faster."

That is because the ice reflects light and heat; when it is gone, the much darker land or sea will absorb more light and heat, making it more difficult for the planet to cool down, even in winter, he said.

Scambos and co-authors of the study, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, used satellite data and visual confirmation of Arctic ice to reach their conclusions, a far different picture than that obtained from computer models used by the scientists of the intergovernmental panel.

"The IPCC report was very careful, very thorough and cautious, so they erred on the side of what would certainly occur as opposed to what might occur," Scambos said in a telephone interview.

ICE-FREE SUMMER

The wide possibility of what might occur included a much later melt up north, or a much earlier one, Scambos said.

"It appears we're on pace about 30 years earlier than expected to reach a state where we don't have sea ice or at least not very much in late summer in the Arctic Ocean," he said.

He discounted the notion that the sharp warming trend in the Arctic might be due to natural climate cycles. "There aren't many periods in history that are this dramatic in terms of natural variability," Scambos said.

He said he had no doubt that this was caused in large part by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

Asked what could fix the problem -- the topic of a new report by the intergovernmental panel to be released on Friday in Bangkok -- Scambos said a large volcanic eruption might hold Arctic ice melting at bay for a few years.

But he saw a continued warm-up as inevitable in the coming decades.

"Long-term and for the next 50 years, I think even the new report will agree that we're in for quite a bit of warming," Scambos said.

"We just barely now, I think, have enough time and enough collective will to be able to get through this century in good shape, but it means we have to start acting now and in a big way."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; doomage; ecofascism; environment; enviroterrorism; globalwarming; polarice; wearedoomed
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This means the ocean at the top of the world could be free or nearly free of summer ice by 2020…said Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Center in Colorado.

That would rock. Fishing would be awesome up there.

Unfortunately, Scambo (could he have a better name?) is wrong. I have 20/20 foresight, and I know for a fact that there will be ice in arctic in 2020. Trust me.

1 posted on 05/02/2007 8:41:53 AM PDT by dead
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is now about 30 years ahead of predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Which just proves that the predictive powers of IPCC are, shall we say, less than stellar.

2 posted on 05/02/2007 8:43:23 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: dead

Great news! I was wondering what was taking so long.


3 posted on 05/02/2007 8:44:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: dead
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

Sod off, Mr. Sun. You aren't big enough to affect Earth.

4 posted on 05/02/2007 8:44:49 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: dead

5 posted on 05/02/2007 8:45:38 AM PDT by blues_guitarist ( . . . As in the days of Noah!)
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To: dead
In the past, an ice-free Arctic Ocean has heralded the beginning of the next Ice Age.

That's what we should be preparing for.

6 posted on 05/02/2007 8:46:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: blues_guitarist

7 posted on 05/02/2007 8:48:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

I wish other religions got as much exposure as this Global Warming religion does.


8 posted on 05/02/2007 8:49:49 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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He said he had no doubt that this was caused in large part by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

Then he ain't much of a "scientist". He need to read up on CO2's effect in the atmosphere.

9 posted on 05/02/2007 8:50:40 AM PDT by Edgerunner (keep your powder dry...)
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To: dead

Wasn’t there a news article out yesterday that Ms. Rodham Clinton will be dropping the Rodham from the moniker? I thought I saw that somewhere.

Beach Font property for sale in JAVIK. Plant more corn for ethanol. Water the Sahara. Lots to do with all of the extra water.

Please, excuse me if I am not alarmed any more. I gave up being scared of these gloom and doom prognosticators back in the ‘60s when they were warning me of Ice ages that would cause a rise in ocean levels. My Physics as rudimentary as it was back then told me that was wrong.


10 posted on 05/02/2007 8:50:42 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: dead

Well, no wonder the ice cap is melting. The planet has a fever!.........../s


11 posted on 05/02/2007 8:51:45 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If you're conservative, then support a conservative candidate like Duncan Hunter for POTUS.)
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To: Edgerunner

I thought that the biggest Greenhouse gas was water vapor.


12 posted on 05/02/2007 8:52:19 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: dead

Oh no! This means that all of the polar bears and the fish will drown!!!


13 posted on 05/02/2007 8:53:07 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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No ice on the Arctic Ocean during summer would be a major spur to global warming...

That statement is totally bass-ackwards.......

14 posted on 05/02/2007 8:55:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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I better not hear anyone complain about not having any fresh water for the next 30 years. Dont waste this opportunity to collect the melting ice.... lol


15 posted on 05/02/2007 8:56:04 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Redcloak
Oh no! This means that all of the polar bears and the fish will drown!!!


16 posted on 05/02/2007 8:56:19 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Strange... not one word of the glaciers that are growing in other parts of the arctic...


17 posted on 05/02/2007 8:57:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: dead
Its due to solar physics....the cosmic wind off of magnetic storms on the sun is doing it.

Get your grubby paws of my SUV Al...and clean up your own act!

18 posted on 05/02/2007 9:00:36 AM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: dead

Great news! I was wondering what was taking so long.


19 posted on 05/02/2007 9:11:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Oops.


20 posted on 05/02/2007 9:11:49 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: dead

How many years ago was it that Ted Danson was crying that this planet only had 10 years of life left?

Was it 10 or 15?


21 posted on 05/02/2007 9:12:29 AM PDT by KingRonnie9
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To: dead

LOL! Very funny! But I really didn’t need to see those images of Hugo and Hillary. LOL!


22 posted on 05/02/2007 9:14:57 AM PDT by avacado
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To: dead
Well then, that settles it. I am going to quit my job and set up a kiosk at the local mall. I will be selling carbon offsets to all the chicken little liberals. That will definitely stop this.

I know this, because Algore, who has children and grandchildren that will die if this continues, is not changing his lifestyle, but instead buying these credits. I propose to make them available to the poor liberals at a reduced rate. If anyone here is interesting in providing carbon credit subsides for the poor, please send send me the money directly.

23 posted on 05/02/2007 9:20:23 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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"The Arctic ice cap is melting much faster than expected and is now about 30 years ahead of predictions made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,"

Gee, it couldn't possibly be that the "Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" was just flat out wrong in their prediction. That would be impossible, we all know that meteorologists and weather prognosticators are always right.

Anyway, how do they explain their nonsense that melting ice flows raise the ocean level and endanger coastal land? Ice cubes melting in a glass of water do not raise the water level in the glass, nor will a melting iceberg raise the sea level.

24 posted on 05/02/2007 9:35:44 AM PDT by CeasarsGhost
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To: dead

Not only great or shipping and tourism but the possibilities for oil and mining are endless as long as we figure out a way to silence the environuts.


25 posted on 05/02/2007 9:44:11 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dead
The wide possibility of what might occur included a much later melt up north, or a much earlier one, Scambos said.

Good to cover all bases so you can be "correct" in a a few decades no matter how it goes.

Wonder if they're ignoring the Arctic Ocean Model....

26 posted on 05/02/2007 9:45:30 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years......WOLFHOUNDS!!!!)
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Its just a guess on my part, but I would think the flow of more ice melt water in the ocean every year would cool the planet more than any amount of heat the exposed rocks could retain...

” Its the SUN stupid! “


27 posted on 05/02/2007 9:46:41 AM PDT by uncle fenders
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Couldn't you have just left that picture with the photoshopped polar bears in it?

That one on the lower right is particularly disturbing.

28 posted on 05/02/2007 9:48:17 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: dead

In the absence of ice, the “northwest passage” will finally become a reality.


29 posted on 05/02/2007 9:51:39 AM PDT by reg45
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What everyone is AFRAID to discuss is just what a dent this will put into the sale of Margaritas at all the bars
and cantinas up there.And do I have to remind you how much that will hurt the global economy?


30 posted on 05/02/2007 9:52:19 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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No ice on the Arctic Ocean during summer would be a major spur to global warming, said Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Center in Colorado.

Never heard of this guy.
I would take him more seriously if, instead of a title, we were provided with his past performance in analyzing and predicting in the area about which he's pontificating.

Opinions by technical types outside of the area of their training and experience is much more dangerous than the pronouncements of a totally ignorant doofus like, say, Al Gore.

I expect we'll be hearing more from this idiot, just like that "director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, James Hansen". I have never, ever read a single report, column or idea from him that relate to space, but he's on every moonbat "propaganda" global warming propaganda-mentary. Usual scattered throughout so he seems to be 20 different people. One nut.

31 posted on 05/02/2007 9:52:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Or its not.
32 posted on 05/02/2007 9:56:51 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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LOL! That is the funniest photoshop I have ever seen. Who is the guy with the purple plastic hooters?


33 posted on 05/02/2007 10:00:33 AM PDT by Ditter
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hearing more from this idiot, just like that "director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, James Hansen".

idiots deserve more respect than this slime. Hansen is an outright anti-human Stalinists. And to think, he he is given our tax dollars and a nice pension. I pray there is a special place in Hell for people like him. Him an his ilk would plunge us into 3rd world hell if they had their way. Evil elitists, the whole lot of them.

34 posted on 05/02/2007 10:03:44 AM PDT by sand88 (q)
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I thought that the biggest Greenhouse gas was water vapor. ,

quiet...you can't let science FACTS get in the way :)

35 posted on 05/02/2007 10:04:58 AM PDT by sand88 (q)
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Just think of it!

Caribou population explodes due to warmer breeding areas!

Polar Bear and Black Bear Population explodes due to abundant Caribou!

Warmer waters means more plankton, which means more crab!

Abundant Plankton means more seals feeding on the fish and shellfish!

WIN, WIN!!!


36 posted on 05/02/2007 10:07:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: Publius6961

With a moniker like “U.S. Ice Expert” why, he must be a genius!


37 posted on 05/02/2007 10:08:34 AM PDT by ushr435
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He said he had no doubt that this was caused in large part by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

Here is an alternate theory...


38 posted on 05/02/2007 10:10:22 AM PDT by Jeff F
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
In the past, an ice-free Arctic Ocean has heralded the beginning of the next Ice Age.

I have read the same theory. The theory is that if the Arctic does not freeze, there will be massive increases in precipitation to snow over the high Northern latitudes, increasing glaciation.

39 posted on 05/02/2007 10:15:45 AM PDT by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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He said he had no doubt that this was caused in large part by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

  

Yeah. Sure it is.

40 posted on 05/02/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: dead; neverdem
dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed...
41 posted on 05/02/2007 10:17:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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which he said was the only thing capable of changing Earth on such a large scale over so many latitudes.

Umm the sun cant do that?

42 posted on 05/02/2007 10:26:34 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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Someone is lying!!! It was here on FR a few days ago that we learned that Ice was thick and waters that were navigable during this time of year were frozen solid. Seal hunters are stranded and seals are safe due to thick Ice packs and frozen passes. “Oh Lucy... you got some ‘splainin’ to do”!

LLS

43 posted on 05/02/2007 10:28:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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LOL! That is the funniest photoshop I have ever seen. Who is the guy with the purple plastic hooters?

Uncle Hugo Chavez. I stole it from his recent UN appearance.


44 posted on 05/02/2007 10:44:22 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Here was the sea ice minimum last year in late September, 2006. What they are saying is this area will shrink to Zero by September 2020 (because from October to August (even in 2020), the rest of the arctic ocean will be frozen solid.)

By September it starts freezing back because the North Pole then goes into 6 months of darkness. There has always been ice at the North Pole, it is not going to melt. These scientists need to take some science training.


45 posted on 05/02/2007 10:50:05 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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If we need more reflective surfaces, we could cut down the rain forests (which absorb LOTS of energy from the sun) and replace them with big buildings with shiny metal roofs.

We should also work to develop a reflective asphalt surface — we have tons of roads, if we just made them all reflective, we could really whup this global warming thing.


46 posted on 05/02/2007 11:17:55 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Publius6961
Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Center in Colorado.

Just remember, this guy has a vested interest in keeping the world as cold as possible. His job depends on it.

47 posted on 05/02/2007 11:21:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dead

tee hee! I’m laughing again.


48 posted on 05/02/2007 12:16:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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49 posted on 05/02/2007 3:24:59 PM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: w1andsodidwe

“selling carbon offsets”——
Man, you just gave me a good marketing idea-—if you are
“of an age” to remember that far back, you will remember the fleeting but nonetheless huge success of another novelty item, “The Pet Rock” which sold as a cheap gift for a season or two. Carbon offsets are all of a piece with that/ I am going to look into this, but it may already too late.....I mean..(sob) .....for the planet..... :>(


50 posted on 05/02/2007 3:30:28 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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