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{ Sen. Claire McCaskill D-Mo } Senator Asked Not to Speak at Graduation
AP via SFGate ^ | 5/2/7 | BETSY TAYLOR

Posted on 05/02/2007 10:21:15 AM PDT by SmithL

Saint Louis (AP) -- An invitation to Sen. Claire McCaskill to speak at her daughter's graduation from a Roman Catholic high school was withdrawn because of her positions on abortion and stem cell research.

Students at all-girls St. Joseph's Academy in the St. Louis suburb of Frontenac wanted to have McCaskill speak at their commencement this month, McCaskill spokeswoman Adrianne Marsh said Tuesday.

But the offer was rescinded last week. The president of St. Joseph's, Sister Michaela Zahner, said she reluctantly made the decision after receiving a call from the St. Louis Archdiocese.

. . . The senator was told by the school that the decision came from Archbishop Raymond Burke, Marsh said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: cafeteriacatholic; mccaskill; moralabsolutes; pseudocatholic
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So, the Catholic school made the invitation, and the Diocese had to inform the school what church policy was.
1 posted on 05/02/2007 10:21:23 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Good for the bishop.

This is the same bishop who resigned last week from the board of an organization affiliated with a St. Louis hospital over their insistence on inviting Sheryl Crow to provide entertainment at a fund-raiser.

2 posted on 05/02/2007 10:24:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: SmithL

Thank God for ArchBishop Burke


3 posted on 05/02/2007 10:25:51 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: SmithL
Marsh said the senator, a Catholic, understands that her positions supporting abortion rights and stem cell research are different from those held by the church.

Marsh hasn't been paying attention. The official doctrine of the Vatican is that politicians excommunicate themselves when the vote pro-choice. Senator Mccaskill is about as "Catholic" as Osama bin Laden.

BTW, I am shocked that the SF Chronic managed to write this article without the words "censorship" or "blacklist." I am not, however, shocked to see that they failed to capitalize the word "Church."

4 posted on 05/02/2007 10:29:19 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: SmithL

In the past we’ve heard stories of Catholic schools refusing to admit or expelling the child of a woman in a lesbian relationship, why shouldn’t the High School have expelled McCaskill’s daughter for her position on abortion?


5 posted on 05/02/2007 10:33:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SmithL
An invitation to Sen. Claire McCaskill to speak at her daughter's graduation from a Roman Catholic high school was withdrawn because of her positions on abortion and stem cell research.

Has anyone ever noticed that when the idiots in the MSM talk about EMBRYONIC stem cell research they always forget to include the EMBRYONIC. Pretty important omission if you ask me!

6 posted on 05/02/2007 10:33:26 AM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: presidio9
The official doctrine of the Vatican is that politicians excommunicate themselves when the(y) vote pro-choice.

Is that really the official doctrine? I would love to see where that is cited... hoping it is actual Vatican position.

7 posted on 05/02/2007 10:34:08 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Tolerance can be forced. Acceptance must be earned.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"This is the same bishop who resigned last week from the board of an organization affiliated with a St. Louis hospital over their insistence on inviting Sheryl Crow to provide entertainment at a fund-raiser."

What was she gonna do, demonstrate her prowess at Origami with a single piece of TP?

8 posted on 05/02/2007 10:36:10 AM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: SmithL

Good. Glad to see a Liberal get the same treatment as Conservatives get from academia.


9 posted on 05/02/2007 10:38:10 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: SmithL

Big smile on this persons face.


10 posted on 05/02/2007 10:39:09 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: SmithL
I'm proud of my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ.

Now if they would only take the appropriate action with respect to Kennedy, Kerry and other apostates.

11 posted on 05/02/2007 10:39:10 AM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Zakeet

Buried at the bottom of the story:

“A spokeswoman for the archdiocese, Anne Steffens, said the decision was not made by the archbishop.”

It wasn’t personal, it was a matter of doctrine.


12 posted on 05/02/2007 10:43:12 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: AbeKrieger

The 2003 letter from then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to the American bishops required that such politicians should be denied Communion. As such, they have been excommunicated “ipso facto latae sententiae,” which means that it occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official. “Excommunication” simply means you are no longer one with Christ. Supporting abortion would be a layup in that regard.


13 posted on 05/02/2007 10:44:16 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: SmithL
Definition

Cafeteria Catholic: One who, although professing to be a real Catholic, picks and chooses among the core Catholic beliefs much as one who would choose different food items while in a self-serve cafeteria. These Cafeterians typically attend mass two days each year - Easter and Christmas - and don't know their pastor's name. Cafeterians include those who profess any or all of the following beliefs: Pro-abortion, Pro-homosexual marriage, Pro-cohabitation, Pro-premarital sex.

If I'm not mistaken, we have quite a few politicians who fit this definition - some on the Republican side.

14 posted on 05/02/2007 10:44:40 AM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: SmithL
While St. Joseph's is a private, rather than an archdiocesan school, it receives its right to be identified as a Catholic institution through the archdiocese, Zahner said, adding that rescinding the invitation "was a very hard decision."

Cheer up, Sister! You did the right thing.

15 posted on 05/02/2007 10:44:41 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: SmithL

Here is the lie of the day: “Students at St. Joseph’s Academy... wanted to have McCaskill speak at their commencement this month,” McCaskill spokeswoman Adrianne Marsh said Tuesday.

Graduates want their diplomas and they want to celebrate with their friends and family. They don’t want to hear a bunch of hot air from the politicians.


16 posted on 05/02/2007 10:50:26 AM PDT by proudpapa (Forget Rudy McRomney it's Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: SmithL
"... adding that rescinding the invitation "was a very hard decision."

Every Catholic instution in the US should have a list of active politicians that are holding these apostate positions and not allow them to fellowship until they repent. Then there wouldn't be any "hard" decision to make!

17 posted on 05/02/2007 11:00:33 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: SmithL

So let me get this right: An ALL GIRLS school that purports to be a CATHOLIC school was going to have a woman speak to the GIRLS about how they can kill their babies. Yeah, clear thinking here. Nothing confusing here. Move along.


18 posted on 05/02/2007 11:24:11 AM PDT by hardworking (Being a rapist is one thing, but cheating at golf? Are you sure you want Bubba in the W.H.?)
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To: SmithL

Stupid policy. McCarthism at best. She wasnt being asked to talk on abortion or stem cell research. Since when does one’s belief in one area make them unqualified to speak on any. It’s the same as a scientist not being allowed to speak on a topic because he believes in God.


19 posted on 05/02/2007 11:26:08 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: 50mm
They do this on purpose. It’s easier to lead the “sheeple” this way. I actually heard from someone (who’s fairly a-political) they heard G.W.B is de-funding current military ops and why. This is how these media clowns twist things to get what they want. The Surrender OF AMERICA.
20 posted on 05/02/2007 11:30:42 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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To: Alberta's Child
Good for the bishop. This is the same bishop who resigned last week from the board of an organization affiliated with a St. Louis hospital over their insistence on inviting Sheryl Crow to provide entertainment at a fund-raiser

Stupid Bishop. The guy has singlehandedly turned off the entire St. Louis community. The guy looks like an intolerant fool. Reagan would never have done something like that. If someone is to contribute to his goals, Reagan would have accepted their help like he did with the Log Cabin Republicans.

If he was so proud of his intolerance, why did he race his PR people out yesterday to claim he had nothing to do with withdrawing McCaskill's invitation?

21 posted on 05/02/2007 11:33:06 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Non-Sequitur
In the past we’ve heard stories of Catholic schools refusing to admit or expelling the child of a woman in a lesbian relationship, why shouldn’t the High School have expelled McCaskill’s daughter for her position on abortion?

Now does that sound like something that Christ would have done??? Christ would have sat and ate with the sinners and you want to punish someone's kid for her parents beliefs.

22 posted on 05/02/2007 11:36:57 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Deut28
A spokeswoman for the archdiocese, Anne Steffens, said the decision was not made by the archbishop.”

Coward?

23 posted on 05/02/2007 11:38:56 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: SmithL
Someone, ANYONE, please explain how a "Catholic" can justify her abortion and embryonic stem cell stance??

I am shocked that she doesn't spontaneously combust.

While you are at it, please tell me how this part-time Catholicism works. I understand that to some on the left they like to fake religion. Glad her daughter's school told her to take a flying leap....
24 posted on 05/02/2007 11:49:54 AM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: 50mm
These Cafeterians typically attend mass two days each year - Easter and Christmas

Make that three days, in some years: Christmas, Easter, and the Sunday before election day.

25 posted on 05/02/2007 11:56:22 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: SmithL

BOOYAH!


26 posted on 05/02/2007 11:57:53 AM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: Zakeet

“I’m proud of my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ.
Now if they would only take the appropriate action with respect to Kennedy, Kerry and other apostates.”

Last Saturday when Kennedy spoke at the Reagan Library, there were about 50 pro-choice demonstrators on the road up to the Reagan — the majority from a Catholic organization. LOTS of teenagers, which was great. Kennedy, The Governator, Nancy Reagan, etc., got up-close views of the signs as they drove by.


27 posted on 05/02/2007 12:03:58 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: presidio9

Being a resident of MO, I can tell you I was pleased that Claire McCaskill got her due comeuppance. You are correct, she is not a Catholic. But, Archbishop Burke is a good Catholic leader and I applaud him.


28 posted on 05/02/2007 12:26:26 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Let's call the Jr. Senator from Illinois by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: SmithL
The president of St. Joseph's, Sister Michaela Zahner, said she reluctantly made the decision . . .

Anybody who wonders what's wrong with the American Catholic Church can see it right here. The policy against pro-abortion speakers on Catholic property makes perfect sense and is well known. Certainly it was known to the "sister" who decided to ignore it so she could bask in the reflected glory of a feminazi Democrat she no doubt voted for. So who's the bad guy here? Why, Archbishop Burke, one of the few bishops in this country with enough . . . common sense . . . to stand up to the Culture of Death crowd, both outside and inside his own church.

29 posted on 05/02/2007 12:31:28 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Dave S

>Now does that sound like something that Christ would have done??? Christ would have sat and ate with the sinners and you want to punish someone’s kid for her parents beliefs.,

Better read a little deeper.When Christ dealt with sinners he never condoned their sins.He exposed their sins and told them to go and sin no more.


30 posted on 05/02/2007 12:32:01 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Dave S
Stupid Bishop. The guy has singlehandedly turned off the entire St. Louis community. The guy looks like an intolerant fool. Reagan would never have done something like that. If someone is to contribute to his goals, Reagan would have accepted their help like he did with the Log Cabin Republicans.

Ronald Reagan was a politician, not a religious figure. And it's worth noting that "turning off an entire community" often comes with the territory for principled Christians. Remember -- we worship a guy who did exactly this about 2,000 years ago.

If he was so proud of his intolerance, why did he race his PR people out yesterday to claim he had nothing to do with withdrawing McCaskill's invitation?

I have no idea. Why don't you ask them?

31 posted on 05/02/2007 12:36:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Dave S
Since when does one’s belief in one area make them unqualified to speak on any.

If your state medical board had invited Josef Mengele to speak at some kind of function back in 1945, do ya think they might run into some resistance from the local community?

32 posted on 05/02/2007 12:40:57 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Dave S
Now does that sound like something that Christ would have done??? Christ would have sat and ate with the sinners and you want to punish someone's kid for her parents beliefs.

What would Christ have thought about this and this? If the church can make the child suffer for the sins of the parents when it's a matter of homosexuality then why not on abortion?

33 posted on 05/02/2007 12:41:45 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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In the past we’ve heard stories of Catholic schools refusing to admit or expelling the child of a woman in a lesbian relationship, why shouldn’t the High School have expelled McCaskill’s daughter for her position on abortion?

Huh?

34 posted on 05/02/2007 12:41:46 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SmithL
An invitation to Sen. Claire McCaskill to speak at her daughter's graduation from a Roman Catholic high school was withdrawn because of her positions on abortion and stem cell research.

3 Cheers for Churchmen with conviction!!

In a day and age when church leaders are bowing to political correctness and the Lie of Socialism (e.g. the United Methodists), it is very nice to see men and women in positions of leadership standing up for what is right.

I'm not a Catholic, and I appreciate deeply that church's respect for human life. I don't necessarily agree with Rome on the death penalty or nuclear weaponry used as weapons--but I do respect them.

Catholic leadership is a lot more palatable than the sickening liberalism that has encroached into much of Protestantism.

35 posted on 05/02/2007 1:28:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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Man, where do I start?

Stupid policy. McCarthism at best.

The Catholic Church believes that abortion and embryonic stem cell research are both the murder of a small child. Are you actually saying it's McCarthyism for a private group to refrain from hosting a speech by someone who is in favor of killing small children?

Since when does one’s belief in one area make them unqualified to speak on any.

Great, let's have Mark Foley speak to a Boy Scout Camporee, as long as he doesn't mention instant messaging. After all, he probably has many life lessons to offer.

It’s the same as a scientist not being allowed to speak on a topic because he believes in God.

Wrong. Believing in God does not preclude one from being a scientitst. Believing in the murder of small children as an answer to social or personal problems precludes one from being a Catholic.

36 posted on 05/02/2007 1:30:16 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Dave S
Stupid Bishop. The guy has singlehandedly turned off the entire St. Louis community. The guy looks like an intolerant fool. Reagan would never have done something like that. If someone is to contribute to his goals, Reagan would have accepted their help like he did with the Log Cabin Republicans.

Reagan was a politician. Despite his unswerving commitment to his principles, his job was, in part, to win elections and push legislation through elected bodies.

The Archbishop's job is to be the undershepherd of Jesus Christ. That requires drawing lines every once in awhile. Yet you expect him to invite a wolf into the midst of his flock, and to give the wolf a place of honor. If he doesn't, he's "stupid."

If he was so proud of his intolerance,

Yes, he's intolerant of small children being ripped limb from limb. How truly horrible it is to find that in a Catholic priest. Maybe you think that having a PC wussy leading a Christian organization is a good idea, but it's about as smart as having PETA run Oscar Mayer.

37 posted on 05/02/2007 1:46:33 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Dave S
Coward?

How do you know that the spokesperson (and by extension, the archbishop) is not simply telling the truth? Where's your evidence, and why are you so quick to side with a bunch of babykillers over a conservative? Why are you so down on a private organization's exercise of their fre association rights?

38 posted on 05/02/2007 1:50:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Alberta's Child

Once again, though you and I have our differences, we seem to find some very good places to agree. Good on you.


39 posted on 05/02/2007 1:54:05 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Dave S
She wasnt being asked to talk on abortion or stem cell research. Since when does one’s belief in one area make them unqualified to speak on any

How do you know what she was going to talk about? And how do you know it would be in concert with the teachings of the Church?

"McCarthism(sic)?" Before you go flinging about slanders like this, you might educate yourself just a tad bit on real history and what actually happened back in the fifties. You will see that your attempt at insult is both inept and inappropriate.

40 posted on 05/02/2007 2:01:41 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: PEACE ENFORCER
That was my point. It's no coincidence that "embryonic" is left out by the left. Even on FOX News the potential future person or embryo is left out on a regular basis. It's easy to sort the various talking heads into left/right on this one point. Same for terms like:

Pro-abortion/pro-choice
Abortion clinic/women's health clinic
Partial birth abortion/late term procedure
Pro-homosexual agenda/pro-gay rights
Reverse discrimination/affirmative action
Pro-lower standards/ pro-diversity
Brainwashing/diversity training
Balkanized/multicutural
Illegals/entrants
Anti-Christian/ seperation of church and state
Terrorists/insurgents
Russian roulette/safe sex
Surrender/redeploy
Tax the productive until they shrivel and die/pay your fair share
Gov. excessive spending/Gov. investment
Ponzi scheme/social security
Wasteful pork/earmarks
Riot/protest
Sudden jihad syndrome/energetic protest
Constitution/evolving document

The first description in each pair is more accurate, the left prefers the second be used to hide the truth.

41 posted on 05/02/2007 2:26:13 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Dave S

“Coward?”

That’s an amazingly ignorant resopnse. Please explain what you see as cowardice.

In fact, given the contradicting statements in the article, I would like to hear your explanation for who actually made the decision.

Your intent preceded the content of your point. And that is the height of ignorance.


42 posted on 05/02/2007 2:32:27 PM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Thanks -- and same to you. I wish I could have been as blunt as this . . .

. . . but it's about as smart as having PETA run Oscar Mayer.

LOL.

43 posted on 05/02/2007 2:36:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Non-Sequitur
“In the past we’ve heard stories of Catholic schools refusing to admit or expelling the child of a woman in a lesbian relationship . . .”

Can’t say I’ve heard that one. Source?

44 posted on 05/02/2007 2:43:59 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Scotus - Buggering the Constitution since 1937.)
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To: SmithL
One, good for the Church for insuring that Catholic institutions take Catholic positions.

Two, the Bishop needs to call the Nuns that run that school into a meeting and demand why they invited McCaskill in the first place. He needs to make sure that they're clear on their mission. If they're not clear, they need to be assigned elsewhere.
45 posted on 05/02/2007 2:52:46 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: SmithL

That is what it sounds like. It could be that the Sister was just using the Bishop as cover since he’s already caused a stir over Cheryl Crow. I have to admit, I’m enjoying this.


46 posted on 05/02/2007 2:56:06 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: Dave S

I disagree. This is a Catholic school and McCaskill’s position on abortion is entirely relevant. Although I’m sure many of the parents at this school do send their kids there of academic and/or status reasons, the main mission of Catholic education is the teaching of the faith. What message does it send to the students if their commencement address comes from someone who undermines a basic value of that faith? Incidentally, I find it intellectually lazy when people throw around words like “McCarthyism”. The government isn’t taking away McCaskill’s livelihood based on her associations.


47 posted on 05/02/2007 3:02:23 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: Non-Sequitur

I don’t think Catholic schools should take that approach. I think as long as the child is behaving and their parents are not disruptive, the child should be allowed to stay. However, the school should be unapologetic in expressing The Church’s teachings and if the student is upset by that, he or she should take it up with the parents. At my kids’ Catholic school, the students are required to bring a Church bulletin every week as their “receipt” for attending Mass. If the kids whose parents don’t take them to Mass are upset about not having their “receipt”, perhaps they can motivate their parents.


48 posted on 05/02/2007 3:52:08 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: SmithL
Sen. Claire McCaskill gets OWNED... sweet!

In case you forgot Ms. McCaskill... the Catholic cafeteria is/was/always will be closed.

Benedict XVI

49 posted on 05/02/2007 3:56:42 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: DesScorp
Two, the Bishop needs to call the Nuns that run that school into a meeting and demand why they invited McCaskill in the first place.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect that as at most Catholic schools there probably are few or no nuns at this school. There are very few women entering convents today and the older ones are not being replaced. Most Catholic schools have only lay teachers who went through liberal indoctrination (the same as public school teachers) during their college years. The "teachers" at this school who made the decision to have the pro-abortion speaker belong to the Cafeteria Catholic group I define in post 14 above.

50 posted on 05/02/2007 6:24:06 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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