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Jewish Group Urges Firing Of CNN's Dobbs Over Nazi Remarks
NY Sun ^ | 01 May 2007 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 05/02/2007 10:15:57 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: BGHater
Looks like Gideon Aronoff, CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, is looking in exactly the wrong direction for the danger that is heading directly at him.

'Mexican Nazis' in L.A.
Geo-political analyst decries anti-Semitic Hispanic radicals

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: May 28, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

The anti-American, anti-Jewish rhetoric coming from the Hispanic separatist movement in the southwest U.S. threatens to spark a second civil war, says geopolitical analysts Jack Wheeler.

In a column on his intelligence website, To the Point, Wheeler covers the implication of a recent rally in Baldwin Park, Calif., where a small group of protesters demonstrated against a taxpayer-supported monument that celebrates the time before the white man came to California. Two inscriptions include: "This land was Mexican once, was Indian always, and is and will be again" and "It was better before they came."

"The rally was met by a far larger, violent counter-demonstration led by an organization of Mexican Nazis who call themselves Reconquistas," writes Wheeler. "These are people who want to 'reconquer' the entire American Southwest ceded to the U.S. in 1848 and have it become part of Mexico again. What makes them Nazis is their pathological anti-Semitism. Their hatred for America is equaled only by their hatred of Jews."

Continues Wheeler: "One of them yelled at a television cameraman at the Baldwin Park fracas: 'Too bad Osama Bin Laden didn't drop a hydrogen bomb on that Jewish s--thole town Manhattan.'

21 posted on 05/02/2007 10:47:24 PM PDT by henbane
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To: Tolsti
“Well, he did violate Godwin’s law if that’s all he has.”

A corollary to Godwin’s Law is that 90% of the people who invoke it, as you have here, do so incorrectly.

“No need to fire him, just point out what a moron he is.”

His comparison is valid.

22 posted on 05/02/2007 10:57:07 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: BGHater
What the big,? NAZI propaganda techniques are well known and have been study and mimicked by other...Leni Riefenstahl was a master, copy by many

That said someone should give a head up to Lou Dobb,Goring was head of the Luftwaffe, Goebbels was the NAZI propaganda minister

23 posted on 05/02/2007 11:00:19 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Al-Qaidacrats =A new political party combining the anti American left and the anti Semite right)
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To: FredHunter08

How did I use it wrong? He’s comparing his opposition to Nazis. It’s close enough.


24 posted on 05/02/2007 11:01:45 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Tolsti
“How did I use it wrong? He’s comparing his opposition to Nazis. It’s close enough.”

He compared there propaganda techniques to that of the Nazis (yes, he did have the wrong name). That’s not inaccurate.

Godwin’s law does NOT state that no comparison to the Nazis is ever valid on any subject or any person.

To quote Godwin himself: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one”

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html

The reason he coined Godwin’s Law is that the overuse of Nazi analogies dilutes their impact when they are VALID. GRATUITOUS Nazi analogies are to be avoided. That doesn’t mean that NO analogy to the Nazis can ever be valid. Your version would remove a section of history from any discussion.

25 posted on 05/02/2007 11:07:02 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: tophat9000

But, Goering was responsible for the Reichstag, and used propaganda to blame the commies and others.


26 posted on 05/02/2007 11:08:52 PM PDT by BGHater (“Every little bit of good I may do, let me do it now for I may not come this way again.”)
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To: FredHunter08

Whatever


27 posted on 05/02/2007 11:09:18 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: BGHater
“But, Goering was responsible for the Reichstag, and used propaganda to blame the commies and others.”

Pretty much all of Hitler’s inner circle were involved with propaganda at one point or another.

28 posted on 05/02/2007 11:09:57 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Tolsti
“Whatever”

Your surrender is noted.

29 posted on 05/02/2007 11:10:30 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: weegee

I’m off topic, but I wonder when the Mexicans are going to adopt the language of the Aztecs, and throw off the oppression of Spain?


30 posted on 05/02/2007 11:10:46 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: ashtanga
“I’m off topic, but I wonder when the Mexicans are going to adopt the language of the Aztecs, and throw off the oppression of Spain?”

I wonder if “family values” that don’t “stop at the Rio Grande” will suddenly involve human sacrifices on a massive scale?

31 posted on 05/02/2007 11:11:58 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: pissant

If that “kiss my arse” remark was directed at BGHater, I think you’ve committed a major error of (mis) understanding. Even though he is a newbie, I don’t think you got his point.


32 posted on 05/02/2007 11:14:12 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: FredHunter08
Propaganda is not necessarily bad, or even incorrect. We depicted the Japanese and Germans as what they were in the Second World War. To have a war poster state, “But of course there are wonderful Nazis and Japs, and we don’t mean to offend them with this depiction,” would be insane.

I am still waiting for a moon bat to refer to me, a freedom lover, as a “Stalinist.” Funny, but they love the word “Nazi.” Of course, they have no idea of the origin of the word.

33 posted on 05/02/2007 11:15:58 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: BGHater

As one who lost family members in the Holocaust, I suppose I am able to say that the most unhonorable Mr. Aranoff should consider not playing the hate speech/anti-Semitic card when he is clearly attempting to aid the crimes of Mexicans illegally entering America.

For the non-Jewish FReepers, do try to remember that Liberal Jews are a sort of de facto communist, and that many of the NYC Jewish population is descended from Jews who came here with Marxist or Leninist oriented politics.

In all too many cases, Mommie WAS a Commie. Or grandmommie, etc.

In cases like Aranoff, suggesting that they read The Black Book of Communism sometimes helps them understand that after at least 100,000,000 deaths, Communism isn’t going to work. Well, rarely, but I have few better ideas. Alas, once a socialist, always a socialist. ;-(

Amercia is America, and Mexico is Mexico. Simply allowing the Mexican poor and illiterate to swamp America is no answer.


34 posted on 05/02/2007 11:17:21 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: BGHater

Gideon needs a life


35 posted on 05/02/2007 11:18:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ashtanga
“Propaganda is not necessarily bad, or even incorrect.”

True.

““But of course there are wonderful Nazis and Japs, and we don’t mean to offend them with this depiction,” would be insane.”

Kind of like the “Islam is a peaceful religion” and “Saudi Arabia is a staunch ally” drivel that comes from the White House today?

“Funny, but they love the word “Nazi.” Of course, they have no idea of the origin of the word.”

The only difference between the Nazi system and the Soviet one was the actual, formal, ownership of the means of production - as long as the “owners” obeyed their masters. Both killed people by the millions, too.

36 posted on 05/02/2007 11:19:33 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Tolsti

yeah, he is such a moron for exposing the mind screwing the pro illegal immigrant people use continuously. He was right as it is the same kind of play with words to try and manipulate and brainwash people. The degree of the mind screw was worse with the nazi’s but it’s the same technique of all mind screwers.


37 posted on 05/02/2007 11:26:54 PM PDT by fabian
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To: BGHater

Oh no, feelings are getting hurt all over the place. No longer is the phrase “sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me” recited in neighborhood arguments. Now people treat words as if they can break bones. What a sorry state.


38 posted on 05/02/2007 11:27:44 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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What a load of scheisse. Alot of people are getting sick of Jews thinking THEY were the only victims of the Nazis and apparently now having the label trademarked/copyrighted.

Last time I heard, the term ‘Nazi’ can be freely used, and definitely as for a classification/style of propaganda which the Nazis subjected the whole world to (and not just the tactics they used to fool millions of Jews into stepping into those cattle cars).

Come to think of it, the Nazi’s played up the ‘victimization’ of Germany after WW1 to get what they wanted.....

39 posted on 05/02/2007 11:41:24 PM PDT by wodinoneeye
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To: BGHater

Welcome to the brave new world of the “Imus Effect”.


40 posted on 05/02/2007 11:43:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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