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'Out-of-control' mormons guilty of child cruelty
24Dash ^ | 02/05/2007 | Jon Land

Posted on 05/03/2007 10:48:30 AM PDT by Gamecock

A pair of Mormon churchgoers who force fed six young children tablespoons of hot chilli powder were found guilty of child cruelty offences today.

Maria Keable and Deirdre Carrington punished the four girls and two boys, all aged under 16, by making them eat tablespoons of chilli powder or raw chillies, raw eggs, and stinging them with nettles.

The children were also routinely hit with wooden rolling pins and lined up in a row and punched and kicked. One boy was also gagged, tied to a bed and covered with a sheet.

He was also forced to administer the stinging nettle treatment to the other children for fear of being hit.

The best friends' reign of physical and emotional cruelty over the children in Ramsgate, Kent, lasted for nine years.

The jury of nine men and three women at Canterbury Crown Court took five hours to convict them both of six child cruelty offences and one assault charge.

Keable, a 60-year-old Macedonian, regarded her actions as Christian and believed in "love with boundaries".

One boy, now aged 12, told the jury during the two-and-a-half week trial that Keable would substitute chilli powder with raw, chopped chillies if she ever ran out. He said: "We sometimes cried because it was really hot and all she'd do was just whack us and give us some more."

On another occasion he was set upon by both women, who pushed him back and forth between them "like a football".

Carrington also carried out the chilli pepper punishment, the boy said.

Carrington told police she was having "emotional problems" when she made one girl eat chilli powder.

The chilli-powder punishment was also given to a two-year-girl.

Keable told police that "in her country, the use of chilli was normal" and that she believed "her motives were Christian".

She admitted to police she hit the children for not eating raw eggs and honey because it was a "healthy part of their diet".

Carrington, 41, of Chiswick, west London, and Keable, of Ramsgate, both denied six counts of child cruelty and one assault charge between January 1997 and January last year.

They met at a Mormon temple in London 10 years ago. They also attended Mormon churches in Deal and Canterbury in Kent.

Prosecutor Robin Johnson told the jury: "This was a case of two women who were completely out of control and were acting in a disgraceful way to these children."

Judge Timothy Nash remanded the pair in custody and indicated that he may sentence later on today.

Judge Nash, referring to the assault charge, told the two women: "This isn't excessive chastisement in the court's view. It may have started off like that but there came a time towards the later years where it had an element of sadism, I think, about it."

The children were punished by the pair for not completing their chores satisfactorily. The judge said: "I'm quite satisfied that where nettles were concerned it was no botany lesson."

Addressing the pair he said: "Deidre wouldn't say boo to a goose. The strength lay with Maria. This matrimonial figure, initially perhaps with the best intentions, took complete control and lost it."

He warned them that they both faced a custodial sentence and adjourned the case for pre-sentence reports. The next court hearing will be at the same court on June 4. The women were remanded in custody.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bigotry; mormons
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Maria Keable, one of the women found guilty of child cruelty

1 posted on 05/03/2007 10:48:35 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Alex Murphy; Revelation 911; Dr. Eckleburg; Buggman; Quix; HarleyD; irishtenor

Ping


2 posted on 05/03/2007 10:50:30 AM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel Provides What The Law Demands)
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To: Gamecock
No mention of a father here.
3 posted on 05/03/2007 10:52:01 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Gamecock

She looks like a character on South Park


4 posted on 05/03/2007 10:52:56 AM PDT by Loud Mime ("It is not intellect which makes a great scientistl; it is chararacter." Einstein)
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To: Gamecock

GUILTY!!!


5 posted on 05/03/2007 10:53:38 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Gamecock

I guess it’s a good thing for Romney that he’s not running for president of the UK.


6 posted on 05/03/2007 10:54:01 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Gamecock
Keable told police that "in her country, the use of chilli was normal"

WHEN IT'S COOKED TOGETHER WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER FOOD.

7 posted on 05/03/2007 10:54:36 AM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Gamecock
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 18:6
8 posted on 05/03/2007 10:56:24 AM PDT by TheMightyQuinn
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To: Loud Mime
She looks like a character on South Park


9 posted on 05/03/2007 10:56:43 AM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Gamecock
They met at a Mormon temple in London 10 years ago. They also attended Mormon churches in Deal and Canterbury in Kent.

Did they shop at K-Mart? Because I think a headline of "Out-of-control K-Mart customer guilty of child cruelty" would have been just as appropriate.

10 posted on 05/03/2007 11:01:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed phar)
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To: Gamecock
Although I despise what these people have done, to name them by association of their church is wrong. If they had met at a Walmart, would they have been dentified as "Walmart shoppers?"
11 posted on 05/03/2007 11:02:57 AM PDT by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: Gamecock
I'm not sure what being Mormon has to do with it but
"love with boundaries". what the heck is the boundary? Death?
12 posted on 05/03/2007 11:02:58 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Gamecock

I know this guy from Serbia, he said as a kid, all he had for breakfast was 2 raw eggs w/ sugar or honey.

The dude is pretty big.


13 posted on 05/03/2007 11:03:22 AM PDT by Canali
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL!


14 posted on 05/03/2007 11:04:50 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: SmithL

“I guess it’s a good thing for Romney that he’s not running for president of the UK.”

Ding! Ding! I think we have a winner!

Exactly what does the behavior of a mormon in the UK have to do with the average mormon in this country?

Seems to me this little story is the start of a smear campaign against Romney.


15 posted on 05/03/2007 11:05:17 AM PDT by Maria S
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‘Out-of-control’ whites guilty of child cruelty


16 posted on 05/03/2007 11:05:52 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Gamecock

Take those kids out of that house immediately. What are they teaching these kids in that “religion”? That is some wacky stuff!!!


17 posted on 05/03/2007 11:05:56 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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‘Out-of-control’ bowlers guilty of child cruelty


18 posted on 05/03/2007 11:06:11 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: irishtenor

I suppose the fact that they played the “Christian” card opened it up for a discussion of their true religion....


19 posted on 05/03/2007 11:06:31 AM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel Provides What The Law Demands)
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To: Gamecock

‘Out-of-control’ nappy hos guilty of child cruelty


20 posted on 05/03/2007 11:07:26 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: irishtenor; ClearCase_guy
If they had met at a Walmart, would they have been dentified as “Walmart shoppers?”irishtenor

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The purpose of the headline and the content of the article was to smear the Mormons.

Well....what will happen is that more people will become curious about the Mormon religion. The next time Mormon missionaries knock on their door, they will let them in just so they can learn more about the religion.

Also...I bet the the career of this journalist will not prosper.

21 posted on 05/03/2007 11:11:21 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Gamecock

Now you know, that the ONLY reason it states Morman is because one of our own is a Morman.

If this were any other religon, like Muslim or whatever, there would be no mention.

Or how about this headline, “God hating couple do....”


22 posted on 05/03/2007 11:13:10 AM PDT by stockpirate (Al Qaeda is in the United States, they are in the House and Senate, Democrats all!)
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To: Gamecock

What does their crime have to do with them being mormon?

Can you imagine a story starting with ‘two democratic women’, because they met at a democratic committee meeting?

I expected to find they were punishing kids at the church or something. But the article doesn’t give any reason to associate their crimes with the mormon faith or that they are mormons.

So it seems like it was just a swipe at the religion.


23 posted on 05/03/2007 11:14:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ClearCase_guy

I bet she’s an SUV driver too.


24 posted on 05/03/2007 11:16:43 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: napscoordinator
Take those kids out of that house immediately. What are they teaching these kids in that “religion”? That is some wacky stuff!!!

She's just a nutcase. Wherever she picked up her warped ideas on parenting, she sure didn't learn it at church I can assure you. What a Wacko!

25 posted on 05/03/2007 11:18:31 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: wintertime
Well....what will happen is that more people will become curious about the Mormon religion.

Well here is a handy fact sheet for them, with footnotes!:

1. Mormons can become gods and goddesses.

2. Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.

3. Mormon women will give birth “forever and ever” to spirit-babies.

4. Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaven—eternal polygamy.

5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.

6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.

7. God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.

8. All Christian churches are an abomination.

9. Mormons need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.

10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.

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[1] Journal of Discourses 1:50-51; J of D 8:115; Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:20

[2] Doctrine and Covenants 84:33-9; Goddesses are always subject to a god. Women are denied the Priesthood (meaning they are denied authority—not the same as Catholic priesthood). “In the LDS universe, theologically described as the real eternal universe, each man who achieves the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom is worth many times more than each woman, even the women who qualify at that highest Celestial level, because each man who achieves Godhood-level may have numerous God-wives, but each God-wife may have only one husband. This can only mean that each “heavenly father” is worth many times more than each “heavenly mother.” And, even if the ratio were strictly one to one, the male God, not the female God, holds the priesthood authority and is the only one of the God parents to whom his earth-mortality children are allowed to pray. So Mormon women can never, NEVER achieve equality with men, no matter how outstanding or righteous the women are. That’s just the way it’s set up.” MORMON WOMEN, PROZAC® and THERAPY By Kent Ponder, Ph.D. e-mail address: kponder@swcp.com http://home.teleport.com/~packham/prozac.htm.

[3] LDS Apostle Orson Pratt wrote, “Each father and mother will be in the condition to multiply forever and ever” (The Seer, 37).

[4] Doctrine and Covenants 132; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 11:269; Men can still be sealed for eternity (not time) to women other than their wives; “The practice of polygamy has been discontinued, but the doctrine of polygamy has never been revoked. D&C 132 is still part of the LDS canon. And some current church practices are still based on polygamous principles.” See pro-Mormon site http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2005/08/02/eternal-polygamy/ (accessed February 25, 2007).

[5] Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:2-4, 9; J of D, 26:214.

[6] Book of Mormon: Alma 3:6-19; 3 Nephi 2:14-15; Enos 1:20; J of D, 7: 290-291.

[7] Journal of Discourses 8: 116; J of D 8: 211; J of D 8: 115; Mormon Doctrine p.546-547.

[8] Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith—History 1:19. Smith claimed God sent him to “restore” true Christianity.

[9] Celestial Kingdom is the highest of 3 levels in the Mormon heaven (need handshakes to get past the angel guarding the veil); See ex-Mormon site http://www.mormoncurtain.com/(accessed February 25, 2007); David John Buerger, The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship, http://lds-mormon.com/buerger.shtml (accessed February 25, 2007).

[10] Doctrine and Covenants 116; Journal of Discourses, 10:235; Smith named the Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri area Adam-Ondi-Ahman.

26 posted on 05/03/2007 11:19:02 AM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel Provides What The Law Demands)
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To: Cymbaline

see my 19


27 posted on 05/03/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel Provides What The Law Demands)
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To: Gamecock

What IS it with all the Mormon threads on FR lately? If Romney wins the primaries this place will explode.


28 posted on 05/03/2007 11:20:18 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Cymbaline

How would you know that? I don’t know much about the religion except what I learned from here at FREEPERS and bottom line is most think it is a cult. What a Wacko!


29 posted on 05/03/2007 11:20:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Maria S
Seems to me this little story is the start of a smear campaign against Romney.

And Romney's a Mormon (whispers "Mormon")

Rush listeners will get that one.

30 posted on 05/03/2007 11:21:39 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (A proud member of the Frederalist society. Gnats don't bother us)
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To: Gamecock
5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.
I was unaware of this one - thanks.
31 posted on 05/03/2007 11:21:56 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Gamecock
From the LDS.org newsroom: Simply put, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to child abusers. When abuse is suspected, the Church directs its members to first contact the legal authorities and then their local bishop for counseling and support. The Church cooperates fully with law enforcement in investigating incidents of child abuse and bringing perpetrators to justice.

Members of the Church found guilty of child abuse are also subject to the laws of God. President Hinckley has said: "Our hearts reach out to the offender, but we cannot tolerate the sin of which he may be guilty. Where there has been offense, there is a penalty." Convicted child abusers are excommunicated, the highest possible discipline our faith can impose. Excommunicated members cannot take part in Church meetings or hold responsibilities of any kind within the congregation.

Because I know some dimwit will say that child abuse is an accepted practice in the LDS Church.

32 posted on 05/03/2007 11:23:44 AM PDT by Domandred
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To: colorado tanker; Gamecock
No mention of a father here.

Hmmmm....something I noticed as well.

33 posted on 05/03/2007 11:23:44 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: napscoordinator
bottom line is most think it is a cult.
I agree, but be that as it may - I still don't see what child abuse had to do with being Mormon. I have a few Mormon friends, and to my knowledge, and from my observation, this is not a "church" practice - nor is anything like it.

I agree with the other poster, they could have just as easily been tired to Wal Mart, or Ford, or Chevy, or even tennis shoe wearer...
34 posted on 05/03/2007 11:25:41 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: napscoordinator
bottom line is most think it is a cult.
I agree, but be that as it may - I still don't see what child abuse had to do with being Mormon. I have a few Mormon friends, and to my knowlege, and from my observation, this is not a "church" practice - nor is anything like it.

I agree with the other poster, they could have just as easily been tied to Wal Mart, or Ford, or Chevy, or even tennis shoe wearer...
35 posted on 05/03/2007 11:26:05 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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I am willing to bet that being Mormon had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that these women are crazy and horrible parents. Just like I don’t assume that all evangelical Christian parents are nutcases like the Pearls.

Just like the fact that I am Catholic has nothing to do with the fact that I made my daughter put her bike away after riding it, which apparently has made me the world’s meanest mom. Judging by the way she’s carrying on anyway.....


36 posted on 05/03/2007 11:26:37 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: napscoordinator

(sorry about the double hit there...


37 posted on 05/03/2007 11:26:41 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: mockingbyrd
the world’s meanest mom
LOL!! Well, I'm Baptist and Monday I was the worlds meanest Dad - Nice to meet you!
38 posted on 05/03/2007 11:28:05 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Gamecock
We had neighbors a few years ago that were Mormon. One of the things they told me was that they believed that in a previous life they could have and probably did make contracts to sire a friend in their next life, as in "I'd like to be your son in our next lives." But the problem was that in this life, they had no idea how many contracts the husband and wife may have made. Therefore, they had as many children as they thought they needed to satisfy previous agreements, plus one.

Is this a typical Mormon belief or just something this family believed in?

39 posted on 05/03/2007 11:28:20 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Domandred

Just like Mountain Meadows or polygamy.


40 posted on 05/03/2007 11:28:28 AM PDT by Gamecock (The Gospel Provides What The Law Demands)
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To: Gamecock
One boy, now aged 12, told the jury during the two-and-a-half week trial that Keable would substitute chilli powder with raw, chopped chillies if she ever ran out. He said: "We sometimes cried because it was really hot and all she'd do was just whack us and give us some more."

My parents tried to use hot peppers and chili spices on me when I was a kid, but it didn't go over to well, and realized it was a mistake and dumped it.

peppers don't always do the trick.

41 posted on 05/03/2007 11:29:47 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: wintertime

Let alone the Editor who approved it.


42 posted on 05/03/2007 11:33:39 AM PDT by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: napscoordinator
Mormonism is a cult, but I see no connection between Mormonism and the child abuse in this case.
43 posted on 05/03/2007 11:34:25 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So it seems like it was just a swipe at the religion.

Seems to me like an all-out effort to avoid taking a swipe at their sexual orientation. We aren't even told which woman was the natural mother of those children, or if neither one was. The cat doesn't come out of the bag until the end of the article, when judge refers to the older woman as a "matrimonial figure".

Instead the author goes on and on about Mormon this and Mormon that, as if the Mormons would actually sanction this arrangement.

44 posted on 05/03/2007 11:35:21 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: napscoordinator
How would you know that? I don’t know much about the religion except what I learned from here at FREEPERS and bottom line is most think it is a cult. What a Wacko!

I know about that as a member of the church and having grown up in the Church all my life. There is NOTHING in our religion, beliefs, doctrine, practices, traditions or culture that sanctions this kind of behavior. If I were to make a prediction, this woman is going to be in danger of excommunication.

There's wackos in all faiths. If we were to characterize every religion by the wackos that happen to belong to them and hold them up as an example of that religion per se, there would be no religions left in the world worth believing in.

This one kind of surprised me, although it really shouldn't. It's just sad when people feel justified in using religion to justify their cruelty. I hope the kids can get removed from that environment and have a chance to recover from the hell they've had to go through.

45 posted on 05/03/2007 11:35:45 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Maria S
"Seems to me this little story is the start of a smear campaign against Romney."

to match the smear campaign here on fr against Rudy?......seems plenty of Mitt fans have been active on that front.

46 posted on 05/03/2007 11:35:59 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Gamecock

I get it. You are an anti-mormon bigot that is using a report on child abuse as an attack on the LDS religion.


47 posted on 05/03/2007 11:37:22 AM PDT by Domandred
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To: Gamecock

Horrid.

EXTRINSIC religiosity and AUTHORITARIANISM and DISCIPLINE WITHOUT RELATIONSHIP

produce rebellion and horror quite routinely.


48 posted on 05/03/2007 11:38:49 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Cymbaline

I know that there are crazies in every religion. I am Catholic and I believe we have 3 for sure...I know I don’t have to list them. lol. I agree that this women is just nuts to do this to her children and did not learn it from a religion.


49 posted on 05/03/2007 11:39:07 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: hellinahandcart

You mean they were lesbians? I didn’t catch that at all.

You know why? because it said they were mormons. So I assumed they did this at some sort of day-care environment, or maybe to their own children when they watched them together, a children’s play group.

I never thought they were living together.


50 posted on 05/03/2007 11:39:35 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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