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Giuliani flips on Schiavo case
St. Petersburg Times ^ | May 5, 2007 | By ADAM C. SMITH

Posted on 05/05/2007 3:06:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

When Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani came to the home county of Terri Schiavo last month, he said he supported the controversial effort by Congress to intervene to keep the severely brain-damaged woman alive.

But now it's not so clear where he stands on the Schiavo case.

In a televised presidential debate Thursday night, Giuliani suggested the Schiavo controversy should have been left to the courts.

"The family was in dispute. That's what we have courts for. And the better place to decide that in a much more, I think in a much fairer and even in a deeper way, is in front of a court, " he said at the first GOP presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan library in California.

In April, Giuliani had explained his position this way: Noting that the controversy had been through the court system for years, he said the 2005 congressional intervention, "was appropriate to make every effort to give her a chance to stay alive. ... My general view is, you should do everything you can to keep somebody alive unless they have expressed a strong interest in not having very, very special things done, extraordinary things done."

Giuliani's campaign spokesman, Elliott Bundy, on Friday tried to clarify Giuliani's apparent contradictions on Schiavo: "Last night Mayor Giuliani said that ideally these types of difficult issues are best left up to families and when there are disputes, it is a matter for the courts to decide. As he said in Florida in April, there are sometimes extraordinary circumstances where the intentions of the person in question are not clear. The Schiavo case was one of those very special circumstances."

(Excerpt) Read more at sptimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bothsides; elections; flipflopping; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; leanleftfakeright; prolife

1 posted on 05/05/2007 3:06:38 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

He is a flip=flopper like someone else.


2 posted on 05/05/2007 3:24:42 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Jim Robinson
But now it's not so clear where he stands on the Schiavo case.


3 posted on 05/05/2007 4:19:50 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: Jim Robinson
This doesn't surprise me at all. Over the years, he's done complete flipflops at least a half-dozen times on the issue of taxpayer-funded abortion. They listed the dates of his flipflops on TV the other night.

And he was totally opposed to the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. Now he's for it...well, I haven't checked if he's still for it today.

And a few years back, he bragged about suing gun manufacturers and begged Congress to require restrictive measures on handguns and mandatory training far more extensive than required for driving a car. But now, he thinks gun control in rural areas is a bad idea. Apparently, our constitutional rights vary according to local population density.

Rudi is such a bizarre nutjob, he's going to be campaigning in full drag before this is all over. Picture Johnny Depp playing Ed Wood.
4 posted on 05/05/2007 4:27:56 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: Jim Robinson
Giuliani's campaign spokesman, Elliott Bundy, on Friday tried to clarify Giuliani's apparent contradictions on ... everything

Hey Rooty, pick a direction. Come on, it won't hurt - much.

(of late his 'people' are getting more air time than he is)

5 posted on 05/05/2007 5:29:14 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Jim Robinson
"...unless they have expressed a strong interest in not having very, very special things done, extraordinary things done."

Is this some weird Rudi-code for "giving a patient food and water"?

Parsing nutjob Rudi is like some medieval torture.
6 posted on 05/05/2007 5:32:09 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: George W. Bush

I was really hoping one of those guys the other night would have said something even more forceful. The three points they should hammer home were hardly mentioned. First, that there was no living will and nothing in writing to indicate what Terri wanted. Second, that as long as her parents and family were totally willing to take ALL responsibility for her, there was no reason to kill her. Finally the most important talking point here that almost no one mentions is the inhumanity of starving any human being to death. You face charges for doing that to an animal. If the left tries to make this 2 year old case an issue in the ‘08 campaign, the GOP nominee had better be very clear on these points.


7 posted on 05/05/2007 5:45:26 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

Excellent points.

Also add the sanctity of life. The first tier candidates agreed that Congress had no right to try and stop the state sanctioned murder of Terri. The second tier candidates were adamant that Terri had a right to live. I am much more interested in the second tier, Duncan Hunter, Huckaby, and Tancredo. They have conservative values and are not afraid to stand by their values.

The governor of a state can commute the execution of a convicted murderer, but the media elite say that one swamp judge has the right to take away the life of a brain damaged young woman, simply because the husband wants her dead.


8 posted on 05/05/2007 6:01:42 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: TNCMAXQ; FR_addict

BUMP! BUMP!

life


9 posted on 05/05/2007 6:03:59 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Jim Robinson

I would love to see a poll here, which includes only the second tier candidates. I am impressed with most of them, but one of them needs to break out. How about running a poll to see which one has the best chance with Free Republic posters.


10 posted on 05/05/2007 6:09:27 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.

I don’t see Giuliani winning over the Republican base in the primaries, which means he’s got little chance of winning the nomination. Yet you folks spend inordinate amounts of time on this guy.


11 posted on 05/05/2007 6:09:56 AM PDT by gonewt
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To: Jim Robinson

When are people going to realize Giuliani is just a loose cannon and NOT Presidential material...???

He’s a “likable guy”....so was Bill the Zipper.


12 posted on 05/05/2007 6:30:35 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: Condor51; mkjessup; Spiff; narses; Liz
As I pointed out yesterday, that compass isn't quite right. It needs to point down.

mkjessup obliged me and whipped this out in short order.
13 posted on 05/05/2007 7:28:00 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: gonewt
It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.

First, we deal with the primaries and the rearing of RINOism's ugly head.

Then we deal with the Wife Of Clinton, once and for all.
14 posted on 05/05/2007 7:29:52 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: gonewt
It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.

Uh, Hillary's not in the Republican primaries. What do you think primaries are for?

I don’t see Giuliani winning over the Republican base in the primaries, which means he’s got little chance of winning the nomination. Yet you folks spend inordinate amounts of time on this guy.

Because people are idiots and they don't know the real story about Rudy. It's up to us to get the word out. People only know of Rudy because of 9/11 and how he cleaned up NYC.

15 posted on 05/05/2007 7:31:59 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: gonewt
It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.

Next stop for the anti-Roodsters.

16 posted on 05/05/2007 7:41:55 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: gonewt

“It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.”

That’s because it’s primary campaigning, not general campaigning. There’s a BIG BIG difference. And beyond that, there are many of us whose consciences would never ever allow us to vote for Giuliani. On most positions, Giuliani and Clinton are identical. On a few, he is quite a bit more liberal than she is. That is unacceptable.


17 posted on 05/05/2007 9:03:28 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: Jim Robinson
Rudy's position on social issues is actually quite clear.

JulieAnnie feels very strongly BOTH WAYS on all social issues.

18 posted on 05/05/2007 9:05:57 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: gonewt
It’s a bit disturbing to me that there seems to be more animus here for Giuliani than for Hillary.

I don’t see Giuliani winning over the Republican base in the primaries, which means he’s got little chance of winning the nomination. Yet you folks spend inordinate amounts of time on this guy.

Two counter-points. First, freepers are quite concerned about preventing a Hillary win. Second, that is one main reason we are so opposed to Rudy - if he were to win the nomination, it would split the GOP similar to what happened in 1992.

And finally, Rudy simply is not suitable to be the standard-bearer for the GOP, for so many reasons that have been posted on FR for the last few months.

19 posted on 05/05/2007 11:36:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: RGSpincich
Where Rudy and his adoring fans actually belong.
20 posted on 05/05/2007 11:37:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: Jim Robinson
I don’t agree with Rudy. In this case, when the courts are obviously stacked against this poor woman who in my opinion was murdered, then the courts should not interfer.
21 posted on 05/05/2007 4:00:06 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Jim Robinson

Does Rooty TootToot even know where he stands anymore? I was for saving Schaivo before I was against it. I was for abortion before I was partially against it. Rooty is trying to win by lying to appeal to all voters.

Flip Flop - Somebody needs to change the name from Kerry to Rudy!

http://www.laughatliberals.com/blog/wp-images/kerry_flip_flops.jpg

Does anyone here have the quote where Rudy says he would like to run on all party lines, including the Democratic if he could?


22 posted on 05/05/2007 6:25:12 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: Jim Robinson

I do so appreciate politicians who KNOW what they stand for an on issue, don’t you?! (sarcasm) At least, if people are paying attention (do the sheeple?), they might have questions now about how one day he has this opinion on an issue, and the next day it is a differing opinion of the same issue! waffle, waffle. most certainly a person who can take a strong stand in running a country! (sarcasm) he has my vote of NO CONFIDENCE.


23 posted on 05/05/2007 9:46:06 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks, Jim, for all these posts regarding Rudy’s liberal actions and words. It’s important this information gets to conservatives across this country.

Marcella from Texas


24 posted on 05/06/2007 11:09:17 AM PDT by Marcella
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To: Jim Robinson

The Schiavo case was a political loser for Republicans. Now, by itself, that doesn’t show they were wrong, but it does show how wide and deep libertarian sentiments extend throughout the electorate. No matter who wins the Republican nomination, they’re going to backpedal at warp speed if the issue resurfaces during the campaign.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 2:29:31 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Jim Robinson

Using the Clinton playbook of TRIANGULATION..

Alas, it works well on the voter, as we saw with 8 years of Clinton.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 12:44:12 PM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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