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Native American DNA Found In UK
BBC ^ | 4-5-2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 2:28:21 PM PDT by blam

Native American DNA found in UK

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Doreen (left) with daughter Rebecca and granddaughter Anais

DNA testing has uncovered British descendents of Native Americans brought to the UK centuries ago as slaves, translators or tribal representatives.

Genetic analysis turned up two white British women with a DNA signature characteristic of American Indians.

An Oxford scientist said it was extremely unusual to find these DNA lineages in Britons with no previous knowledge of Native American ancestry.

Indigenous Americans were brought over to the UK as early as the 1500s.

Many were brought over as curiosities; but others travelled here in delegations during the 18th Century to petition the British imperial government over trade or protection from other tribes.

Experts say it is probable that some stayed in Britain and married into local communities.

Doreen Isherwood, 64, from Putney, and Anne Hall, 53, of Huddersfield, only found out about their New World heritage after paying for commercial DNA ancestry tests.

Mrs Isherwood told BBC News: "I was expecting the results to say I belonged to one of the common European tribes, but when I got them back, my first thought was that they were a mistake.

"It rocked me completely. It made think: who am I?"

Ancestral home

The chartered physiotherapist studied for a degree at the University of North Carolina, but had no idea she possessed Native American ancestors. She said she came from a long line of Lancashire cotton weavers.

Raleigh brought Indians from the Jamestown area to England

Mrs Isherwood added that she was "immensely proud" of her newfound heritage, which has renewed a long-standing interest in Native American culture.

Anne Hall, who works as a private educational tutor, commented: "I was thrilled to bits. It was a very pleasant surprise. To have Native American blood is very exotic."

She said she now aimed to investigate her family history in an attempt to track down the source of her rare genetic lineage.

Mrs Isherwood says her American antecedent must have arrived in Britain in the 18th or 17th Centuries. She has traced her maternal ancestors back to 1798 and has found no sign of New World progenitors.

Maternal clans

The tests taken by both women were based on analysis of DNA inside the "powerhouses" of our cells: the mitochondria.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed down from mother to daughter more or less unchanged; but changes, or mutations, accumulate in the DNA sequence over successive generations.

Pocahontas was the daughter of a Native American chief

Scientists can use these changes to classify mtDNAs into broad types (called haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical origin.

Mrs Isherwood and Mrs Hall possessed haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous people of the Americas, which are referred to as A and C.

"It's very unusual. Most of the people we test belong to one of the European maternal clans," said Professor Bryan Sykes, whose company Oxford Ancestors carried out the tests for Doreen and Anne.

Professor Sykes, also a professor of human genetics at the University of Oxford, said: "There are matches between [Doreen and Anne] and particular Native American tribes, but that doesn't necessarily mean those are the tribes their ancestors came from."

Trickle of immigrants

This month marks the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, the first permanent English-speaking settlement in North America.

Alden Vaughan, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, in New York, has written a book on American Indians in Britain. He said indigenous peoples from the New World began arriving in Britain as early as the sixteenth century.

"It started earlier than Jamestown. A number were brought over through the 1500s, mainly as curiosities," he told BBC News. Others were taken to Britain to learn English and go back to the colonies as translators.

"Sir Walter Raleigh brought back several individuals from the Jamestown area and from the Orinoco valley. Pocahontas went to England in 1616 and died there the next year.

"She was accompanied by several of her tribal associates. Some of them stayed in England for several years. I don't know of any marriages or even relationships between those women and Englishmen, but it is certainly possible.

"Later in the 17th Century, Native American slaves were brought over. I don't know much about them, because all the evidence I have are ads in London newspapers for runaway bond-servants, described as being Indians."


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KEYWORDS: americans; dna; godsgravesglyphs; native; uk
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Imagine my suprise to discover that my mtDNA was from the Sa'ami's (Laplanders) and even moreso to discover it was from the Skolt Sa'ami.(Rarest DNA in all of Europe, haplogroup V) My question: How did a Skolt Sa'ami become a south Alabama farm girl? (My mother)

Having your DNA anaysed is becoming popular and I expect to see any number of suprises of this sort (article) in the near future.

BTW, Professor Bryan Sykes has done extensive DNA work in the British Isles and in his latest book, Saxons, Vikings And Celts, he says he can't find any traces of 'Black Irish' or even the Picts in Scotland, DNA wise, they're all the same people.

1 posted on 05/05/2007 2:28:22 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 05/05/2007 2:29:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

ot oh. this is going to mess up all those contracts and treaties... who’s going to owe reparations to whom?


3 posted on 05/05/2007 2:31:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: blam

Too bad they didn’t steal more of our genes, they would be better off today! Imagine, a Britain with Tsalagi brains running everything!


4 posted on 05/05/2007 2:40:16 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: blam

Ruh Roh. A nappy headed Arapaho in the woodpile.....


5 posted on 05/05/2007 3:09:35 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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6 posted on 05/05/2007 4:00:13 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Dumpster Baby

You owe me a new keyboard! ROTFLMAO


7 posted on 05/05/2007 4:06:21 PM PDT by Duck Fan
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To: Duck Fan
The only extra I have is this Pirate's Keyboard:


8 posted on 05/05/2007 4:24:02 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: blam

My brother had his 12 marker done and had absolutely NO MATCHES. My mom’s cousin (different family) just had his done and had 450 twelve marker matches! He’s upgrading his test to narrow it down. But we’re still trying to figure my brother out. Either there aren’t alot of male descendants in that line, or not many have had their DNA tested.


9 posted on 05/05/2007 7:01:23 PM PDT by Jessarah
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In my family, throughout many lines, there is a story that we are descended from Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas. No official records exist to prove it, but the story is not entirely implausible.


10 posted on 05/05/2007 7:10:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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I believe that they are from the Fugawes..


11 posted on 05/05/2007 7:35:49 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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"My brother had his 12 marker done and had absolutely NO MATCHES."

What do you mean? He didn't match any of the known haplogroups? What?

12 posted on 05/05/2007 7:37:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: EternalVigilance
"In my family, throughout many lines, there is a story that we are descended from Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas. No official records exist to prove it, but the story is not entirely implausible."

Yeah! Well, my mother's people invented Santa Claus and delivering presents in a reindeer sleigh. (So there!)

13 posted on 05/05/2007 7:39:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Heh. Well, I think the evidence that does exist is quite interesting.


14 posted on 05/05/2007 7:40:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Well, Tsalagi brain power of the Smith, not Mankiller variety. :)

(Good Peace) Tohidu,
Anisahoni (Wildcat) Clan


15 posted on 05/05/2007 7:43:29 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Just wait till the Pretendicans have to debate, Hunter in '08)
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To: the invisib1e hand

They have a right to put a casino in Buckingham Palace.


16 posted on 05/05/2007 7:44:06 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles ("Some hams hanging in the kitchen were taken out for burial")
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To: sheik yerbouty
"I believe that they are from the Fugawes."

Do you mean the Blue Fugates?

The Blue Fugates

17 posted on 05/05/2007 7:47:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: EternalVigilance

“Tradition” is where you start! There’s NO reason you couldn’t be their descendants! There would be MANY, and why shouldn’t you be one of them?


18 posted on 05/05/2007 7:47:35 PM PDT by bannie
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To: blam

No, bot I neber knew that Bluish people lived in those parts..


19 posted on 05/05/2007 7:51:19 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Imagine, a Britain with Tsalagi brains running everything!

Hey. Spell it right!

Go Ahead: Click It!

20 posted on 05/05/2007 7:54:32 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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