Skip to comments.Abortion: why itís the ultimate motherly act -barf alert!
Posted on 05/05/2007 2:32:57 PM PDT by Baladas
Our columnist, who has opted to have a termination since the birth of her two children, argues that it is a moral duty not to bring unwanted offspring into the world:
On Wednesday, More4 broadcast Travels with My Camera A Matter of Life and Death, a personal journey by the journalist Miranda Sawyer. This was heralded by a piece in The Observer, written by Sawyer, explaining the purpose of her quest.
Sawyers dilemma has been that, until recently, she had been a dyed-in-the-wool, card-carrying, pro-choice feminist. After the birth of her son last year, however, she began to have doubts about the ethics and logic of abortion. I was calling the life inside me a baby because I wanted it, she wrote, after visiting picketed abortion clinics in America. Yet if I hadnt, I would think of it just as a group of cells that it was OK to kill. It was the same entity. It was merely my response to it that determined whether it would live or die. That seemed irrational to me. Maybe even immoral.
Later she explained that: When youve experienced . . . pregnancy and birth, and the fantastic beauty of the resulting child, its hard not to question what a termination does, or is.
Its odd, because, since I had children, Ive found myself becoming much less troubled by the pro-life argument. Of course, that echoes that old, black-humoured mum joke, often heard in playgrounds on wintry February afternoons What do you think should be the cut-off point for terminations? I dunno. Secondary school? but also reflects how many issues still remain within the abortion debate.
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"why it's a moral duty to turn your Jewish neighbors in to the Gestapo." "Why it's your moral duty to return an escaped slave to its owner."
Bad logic is always a sign of impending demise.
It separates normal human being from the lunatic fringe. Like Howard Dean, for example.
Yes, the ultimate act of motherhood is to kill your own baby.
Only a Leftist could subscribe to such tortured logic without any sense of shame or even irony.
To those who worship death.
Killing babies is a-okay. That’s what half or more of the “developed” world now thinks!
“moral duty not to bring unwanted offspring into the world”
NO! The moral duty would be to be responsible and not get pregnant if you don’t want another child.
Children are not trash that you throw away because they don’t cenveniently fit into your plans!
I guess if times are tough and I am having a hard time feeding my children, I should just take them out back and shoot them. That would be more moral than allowing them to live a tough life. /s
“I believe that when this girl has a child one day, when she is successful, it will be a reasonable sacrifice.”
But not reasonable for the dead baby..
To have the power to legally kill those human beings that inconvenience you. What some wouldn't give for that!
All she had to do was let that child live and let it be adopted by a loving family that is unable to get pregnant.
Killing a baby is not a sacrifice that the Mother makes. It is a MURDER that the Mother allows for convenience sake.
Naw, just spank them and the state will take away custody from you. ;-)
***I believe that when this girl has a child one day, when she is successful, it will be a reasonable sacrifice.***
I just heard a priest say that we spend all our time and energy to become successful and to make a lot of money, Then we hand all that hard-earned money to psychologists to get over the guilt of what we did to be successful.
This woman is no child, she has had two children. She knows how they are made. Why didnt she choose birth control or have a tubal ligation before she became pregnant?
No she just went along and got pregnant ,then decided to snuff the kid.
She is either extremely stupid or terribly reckless.
Either way another paid the cost of her recklessness. That person is dead, Just another piece of tissue thrown in the biological garbage bin of an abortion mill.
Now she tries to make excuses for her mistake by saying I didnt want it so its better off dead.
What a putz, may she remember this child to the end of her days.
Leviticus 18:21 (King James Version)
And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
When she gets older and reflects on what she’s done and lost I think she’ll understand a little better.
Anyway when she goes before Saint Peter and has to ask permission to enter the kingdom of heaven she may reevaluate her position.
HEEEEYUuck yuk yuck yukk ...
Maybe youy should be allowed to put a knife into the back of their skull and suck out their brains all the way until high school!
So you think it acceptable to murder your child if it might help you maintain you High School GPA?
Perhaps you stumbled into the wrong forum Skippy ?
Absolutely disgusting! The ultimate act for these women would be to give up the baby for adoption.
Since when is MURDER described as a “motherly act?”
She is hearing the ghostly cries of her murdered baby in her dreams and is trying so hard to tell us she isn't.
I can empatyhise with those who regret their decision- I know someone who had an abortion and is FURIOUS with the crowd who told her is was just 'a choice' when she was too young and stupid to understand the consequences that she now lives with on a daily basis.
That’s pretty sick.
Who defines "unwanted?"
Abortion is an unholy, immoral cop-out!
It's a black joke today, but will be allowable in a few years the way things are going. This idiot talks about killing children as easily as she would talk about killing a cockroach.
I would have thought mankinds miseries were caused more by people who "...dont believe in the sanctity of life"..."
It’s a moral duty not to CONCEIVE unwanted children. What part of “the CHOICE should be made BEFORE the intercourse” don’t these lazy, self-indulgent people not understand?
People, if I wasn’t one of them, I likely would not want to have many of them around me.
Ultimately, I dont understand antiabortion arguments that centre on the sanctity of life. As a species, weve fairly comprehensively demonstrated that we dont believe in the sanctity of life. I dont understand why pregnant women women trying to make rational decisions about their futures should be subject to more pressure about preserving life than, say, Vladimir Putin.
However, what I do believe to be sacred and, indeed, more useful to the earth as a whole is trying to ensure that there are as few unbalanced, destructive people as possible. By whatever rationale you use, ending a pregnancy 12 weeks into gestation is incalculably more moral than bringing an unwanted child into this world. Or a child that, through no fault of its own, would be the destructor of a marriage, a family, a parent. Its fairly inarguable to say that unhappy children, who then grew into very angry adults, have caused the great majority of mankinds miseries. If psychoanalysis has, somewhat brutally, laid the responsibility for mental disorders at parents doors, the least we can do is to tip our hats to women aware enough not to create those troubled people in the first place.
In short, while I am now packing something just short of the contraceptive equivalent of Trident, if I ever did have to have an abortion again, I would like to think that it would be something unlikely to provoke a moral dilemma in anyone, least of all me. I would like to see a time when abortion is considered an intelligent, logical, humble, compassionate thing to do. I would like abortion to be considered as, perversely, one of the ultimate acts of good mothering.
This is Orwellian in its twisted logic
That's a pretty disgusting rationalization. Is she saying she could not make a happy life for the child? She would let him/her know he/she was not wanted?
My Dad was not wanted. His mom went to the doctor to see if he could give her something to "break up" the pregnancy. She had a bad marriage to an abusive alcoholic. I am thankful her doctor did nothing to help her kill my dad. He had a difficult life, was an alcoholic himself, but was successful in business, had a 60 year marriage to my mom, and produced two daughters. Both of us are well adjusted, have four kids each, my sister has five grandchildren, two of whom were born to teen aged, unmarried moms who refused to kill them. One was adopted, the other raised by mom and loved by his grandmother. None of us are angry murderers. People can rise above their circumstances. How many angry murderers come from lives of spoiled indulgence?
I count six times that the author refers to a living child as 'it.' She views her children as possessions first, people second. I would guess it would be much easier to kill an 'it' as opposed to a 'him' or a 'her.' I feel sorry for her surviving children.
Calling abortion a motherly act is like rape a romantic act. Who do they think they’re kidding?
I have had a few surprise babies. Usually after thinking, “ugh! I can’t handle anymore right now.” But I never would have considered an abortion. They are just too cute not to have around.
How much twisted logic is the result of spoiled indulgence,especially when the real world won't indulge that spoilt indulgence.
Good for you and God bless!
My friend, being a loving mother is a much higher achievement than being a college graduate.
We have plenty of college graduates. Loving, self-sacrificing moms are, however, in short supply. As the authoress of this abomination demonstrates.
Sophie’s choice would be a no-brainer to this gal. What a cold hearted bitch.
I can argue that it is every bit her “moral duty” to go home, draw a hot bath, have a glass of Chardonnay, and open her veins. In this case it would truly be “for the children”
I wonder what your parents had to sacrifice to enable you to get where you are today.
This is reprehensible, disgusting. Do I hear the sound of hobnailed boots outside? 'Our columnist' forgets that some unwanted children are wanted at birth, and the mothers only later change their minds. What then if they become a 'burden' or unwanted after birth? At age one, five, ten. What then is the moral duty? Are we to believe that the life of another has whatever value we attach to it, like a balance sheet, a snapshot of a particular day and time.
What do you think should be the cut-off point for terminations? I dunno. Secondary school?
But I see they already 'joke' about it. How easily the talk of terminating a life comes for them, even after they see the little lives entrusted to them.
Ask any of them if she regrets that their mother didn’t abort her...Ask any of them if their son or daughter, should they have any, have "the right to choose" when their mother becomes aged and "a bother"
Ask them if society doesn't have a right to choose when they become aged and "a bother"...
I’ve always said - it is futile to debate with a guilty conscience.
That child will certainly remember her at the end of days...
Abortion is just the start of a "dog eat dog" mentality. If someone gets in the way of your living an "ideal" life...kill them.
Pro-aborts think it's okay to kill humans in the womb.
Princeton Prof Peter Singer thinks it's okay to kill infants who have been out of the womb for weeks.
Cho thought it was okay to kill adults.
Don't go mountain climbing or sky-diving with her.
In a tough situation she might decide you are expendable.
Of course, that echoes that old, black-humoured mum joke, often heard in playgrounds on wintry February afternoons What do you think should be the cut-off point for terminations? I dunno. Secondary school?
It ain't about life, freedom, protection, fairness, or anything else and it certainly isn't about the sanctity of the womb. It is about what the woman WANTS and inconvenience isn't it. Too stupid to use birth control or to pull herself out of the gene pool by seeking sterilization...
What total BS! I was married to a woman who had an abortion
and I can tell you, it left deep mental scars.
Conveniently overlooking the illogic that her “unwanted offspring” would be eagerly adopted and loved by someone else. I would guess she would not dare to cover the waiting lists and travails of couples waiting to adopt “unwanted offspring”.
“I would like to see a time when abortion is considered an intelligent, logical, humble, compassionate thing to do.”
Sweetie, you are living in those times. They are you.