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Abortion: why itís the ultimate motherly act -barf alert!
The Times Online ^ | April 13, 2007 | Caitlin Moran

Posted on 05/05/2007 2:32:57 PM PDT by Baladas

Our columnist, who has opted to have a termination since the birth of her two children, argues that it is a moral duty not to bring unwanted offspring into the world:

On Wednesday, More4 broadcast Travels with My Camera — A Matter of Life and Death, a “personal journey” by the journalist Miranda Sawyer. This was heralded by a piece in The Observer, written by Sawyer, explaining the purpose of her quest.

Sawyer’s dilemma has been that, until recently, she had been a dyed-in-the-wool, card-carrying, pro-choice feminist. After the birth of her son last year, however, she began to have doubts about the ethics and logic of abortion. “I was calling the life inside me a baby because I wanted it,” she wrote, after visiting picketed abortion clinics in America. “Yet if I hadn’t, I would think of it just as a group of cells that it was OK to kill. It was the same entity. It was merely my response to it that determined whether it would live or die. That seemed irrational to me. Maybe even immoral.”

Later she explained that: “When you’ve experienced . . . pregnancy and birth, and the fantastic beauty of the resulting child, it’s hard not to question what a termination does, or is.”

It’s odd, because, since I had children, I’ve found myself becoming much less troubled by the pro-life argument. Of course, that echoes that old, black-humoured mum joke, often heard in playgrounds on wintry February afternoons — “What do you think should be the cut-off point for terminations?” “I dunno. Secondary school?” — but also reflects how many issues still remain within the abortion debate.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 40yearsofliberalism; abortion; abotion; cultureofdeath; dementalillness; mefirsters; mirandasawyer; molech; moloch; moralabsolutes; moraldecline; morallybankrupt; prolife; rationalization
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Some of the follow-up comments are even more disturbing than the original article.
1 posted on 05/05/2007 2:32:58 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas
this is way beyond barf. the logic is sinister. and it's getting a hearing.

"why it's a moral duty to turn your Jewish neighbors in to the Gestapo." "Why it's your moral duty to return an escaped slave to its owner."

Bad logic is always a sign of impending demise.

It separates normal human being from the lunatic fringe. Like Howard Dean, for example.

2 posted on 05/05/2007 2:37:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: Baladas

Yes, the ultimate act of motherhood is to kill your own baby.

Brilliant.

Only a Leftist could subscribe to such tortured logic without any sense of shame or even irony.


3 posted on 05/05/2007 2:38:12 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Baladas

To those who worship death.


4 posted on 05/05/2007 2:38:23 PM PDT by sgtyork (Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law.)
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To: Baladas

Killing babies is a-okay. That’s what half or more of the “developed” world now thinks!


5 posted on 05/05/2007 2:38:27 PM PDT by guitarist
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To: Baladas

“moral duty not to bring unwanted offspring into the world”

NO! The moral duty would be to be responsible and not get pregnant if you don’t want another child.

Children are not trash that you throw away because they don’t cenveniently fit into your plans!


6 posted on 05/05/2007 2:39:13 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: Baladas
Is this the same article posted here last month?
7 posted on 05/05/2007 2:40:47 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
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To: Baladas

I guess if times are tough and I am having a hard time feeding my children, I should just take them out back and shoot them. That would be more moral than allowing them to live a tough life. /s


8 posted on 05/05/2007 2:41:00 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, our government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: GreenThumb420

“I believe that when this girl has a child one day, when she is successful, it will be a reasonable sacrifice.”

But not reasonable for the dead baby..


10 posted on 05/05/2007 2:44:04 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Government is not the solution to the problem, our government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Baladas
Notice how she calls a baby "It".

To have the power to legally kill those human beings that inconvenience you. What some wouldn't give for that!

11 posted on 05/05/2007 2:45:11 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: GreenThumb420

All she had to do was let that child live and let it be adopted by a loving family that is unable to get pregnant.

Killing a baby is not a sacrifice that the Mother makes. It is a MURDER that the Mother allows for convenience sake.


12 posted on 05/05/2007 2:45:54 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: Baladas
How must the two surviving children feel knowing their mother killed their sibling for their perceived benefit?

Can they not assume she would just as easily kill them?
13 posted on 05/05/2007 2:52:40 PM PDT by elizabetty (Why is Rudy concerned about 3000 dead Americans but NOT 50,000,000 dead American Babies?)
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To: Eagles6
The left loudly complains when a favored victim class is “marginalized” by people who do not accept their moonbat reasoning. So, why should it surprise anyone when they are securing the sacrament of abortion that the unborn child, the product of conception with their own DNA, suffers the ultimate marginalization — it suffers both literal and figurative flushing from the womb and from the mind.
14 posted on 05/05/2007 2:57:26 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: RebekahT

Naw, just spank them and the state will take away custody from you. ;-)


15 posted on 05/05/2007 2:57:56 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: GreenThumb420

***I believe that when this girl has a child one day, when she is successful, it will be a reasonable sacrifice.***

I just heard a priest say that we spend all our time and energy to become successful and to make a lot of money, Then we hand all that hard-earned money to psychologists to get over the guilt of what we did to be successful.


16 posted on 05/05/2007 2:59:59 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Baladas

This woman is no child, she has had two children. She knows how they are made. Why didnt she choose birth control or have a tubal ligation before she became pregnant?

No she just went along and got pregnant ,then decided to snuff the kid.

She is either extremely stupid or terribly reckless.

Either way another paid the cost of her recklessness. That person is dead, Just another piece of tissue thrown in the biological garbage bin of an abortion mill.

Now she tries to make excuses for her mistake by saying I didnt want it so its better off dead.
What a putz, may she remember this child to the end of her days.


17 posted on 05/05/2007 3:03:16 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Baladas

Leviticus 18:21 (King James Version)

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.


18 posted on 05/05/2007 3:04:23 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Baladas

When she gets older and reflects on what she’s done and lost I think she’ll understand a little better.
Anyway when she goes before Saint Peter and has to ask permission to enter the kingdom of heaven she may reevaluate her position.


19 posted on 05/05/2007 3:07:55 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Baladas
“What do you think should be the cut-off point for terminations?” “I dunno. Secondary school?”

HEEEEYUuck yuk yuck yukk ...

Maybe youy should be allowed to put a knife into the back of their skull and suck out their brains all the way until high school!

20 posted on 05/05/2007 3:08:53 PM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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